Poll of the Day > Trump officials demand Mueller return thousands of emails II: No Take Backs!

(+) Yeah! (+)

Hooray for closing out a long running topic. Let's continue. It's fun how much things have changed in 5 months, who else will be charged and who will be sentenced in another 5 months? Who else will turn into an unimportant coffee boy? How many coffee boys does one administration need? Will they ever get those emails back? Only time will tell

https://themoscowproject.org
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Mmm toilet wine
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How does one, um, return emails?
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"No take backs!" is the shit you'd hear 2nd graders saying in the lunchroom when they just took some kids fruit-rollup in exchange for a mr.goodbar that they thought was a twix.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

How does one, um, return emails?

Perhaps expert lawyer Michael Cohen is aware of exclusive techniques
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Flappers posted...

"No take backs!" is the shit you'd hear 2nd graders saying in the lunchroom when they just took some kids fruit-rollup in exchange for a mr.goodbar that they thought was a twix.

Yeah I felt it was fittingly immature and reflective of a government administration requesting the return of legally obtained emails
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So happy theres a part 2
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Jen0125 posted...

Mmm toilet wine

You can taste the HPV, ok?
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PuddingBoy posted...

So happy theres a part 2

This Grand Jury subpoena possibility is

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/02/us/politics/trump-lawyers-memo-mueller-subpoena.html
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PuddingBoy posted...

So happy theres a part 2

Srsly. This is the sort of tragic comedy best enjoyed when drunk from poisonous levels of wine.

Jen0125 posted...

Mmm toilet wine

Oh boy.
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Entity13 posted...

PuddingBoy posted...

So happy theres a part 2

Srsly. This is the sort of tragic comedy best enjoyed when drunk from poisonous levels of wine.

Jen0125 posted...

Mmm toilet wine

Oh boy.

The topics will live as long as the investigation continues and charges are being brought forward, you have my word
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Hooray for closing out a long running topic. Let's continue.

Yeah, that sure was a lot of oval-pulling.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Who else will turn into an unimportant coffee boy? How many coffee boys does one administration need?

And which unimportant coffee boys will turn out to be unimportant Diet Coke boys? #scandal #IfTheFingersDontReachYouMustImpeach
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Zeus posted...

And which unimportant coffee boys will turn out to be unimportant Diet Coke boys? #scandal #IfTheFingersDontReachYouMustImpeach

Hey Zeus do you still believe these blatant lies

Zeus posted...

No, we knew that members had sat down and spoken with Russians immediately following the election and there was news that Kushner had run into a Russian banker of some sort while on business -- just like he runs into other bankers. However, if you want to talk about ACTUAL collusion, the Hillary campaign paid a man who went and solicited information directly from members of the Russian government.

Zeus posted...

So far the most damning evidence of collusion was that somebody from the Trump campaign met with a Russian ambassador on official business *after* Trump had won the election, something which his predecessors have always done. If you want evidence of anything, you've found strong evidence of a double-standard.

Zeus posted...

lolwut? If anything, his conduct has been less egregious than previous administrations. Clinton fired White House vendors -- including a travel agency -- and brought in family friends to replace them. GWB was accused of being elected based on nepotism. Obama sold ambassadorships to donors who never even visited the countries they were going to be assigned to. But sure, make shit up to undermine the presidency and advance your foreign masters' standing.

Zeus posted...

In general, the whole Russia conspiracy is laughable. It's like a stupider form of McCarthyism which, ironically enough, is being promoted by a politician named McCarthy. This has humorously enough included attempts to limit RT on the basis that it's a state-owned media outlet which has influence over the US public while, at the same time, no complaints were raised about the BBC which is pretty much in the same boat since it's also a state-owned media outlet which has influence over the US public. Granted, unlike RT, people actually pay attention to the BBC.

Zeus posted...

Because a long-standing friendship with a political candidate wouldn't influence him to make statements about that candidate's political opponent? And "controversial" is more than enough given the other facts.

Zeus posted...

Or are you just basing it on the assumption that he *might* have claimed a direct access to Putin which he never had which thereby constitutes an attempt to collude which never actually occurred and runs contrary to the central claims of the investigation? At this point, it's starting to look like people are just flinging as much shit as possible at a president they don't like so they can see what will stick.

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Doctor Foxx posted...

Hey Zeus do you still believe these blatant lies

Zeus posted...

No, we knew that members had sat down and spoken with Russians immediately following the election and there was news that Kushner had run into a Russian banker of some sort while on business -- just like he runs into other bankers. However, if you want to talk about ACTUAL collusion, the Hillary campaign paid a man who went and solicited information directly from members of the Russian government.

Zeus posted...

So far the most damning evidence of collusion was that somebody from the Trump campaign met with a Russian ambassador on official business *after* Trump had won the election, something which his predecessors have always done. If you want evidence of anything, you've found strong evidence of a double-standard.

Zeus posted...

lolwut? If anything, his conduct has been less egregious than previous administrations. Clinton fired White House vendors -- including a travel agency -- and brought in family friends to replace them. GWB was accused of being elected based on nepotism. Obama sold ambassadorships to donors who never even visited the countries they were going to be assigned to. But sure, make shit up to undermine the presidency and advance your foreign masters' standing.

Zeus posted...

In general, the whole Russia conspiracy is laughable. It's like a stupider form of McCarthyism which, ironically enough, is being promoted by a politician named McCarthy. This has humorously enough included attempts to limit RT on the basis that it's a state-owned media outlet which has influence over the US public while, at the same time, no complaints were raised about the BBC which is pretty much in the same boat since it's also a state-owned media outlet which has influence over the US public. Granted, unlike RT, people actually pay attention to the BBC.

Zeus posted...

Because a long-standing friendship with a political candidate wouldn't influence him to make statements about that candidate's political opponent? And "controversial" is more than enough given the other facts.

Zeus posted...

Or are you just basing it on the assumption that he *might* have claimed a direct access to Putin which he never had which thereby constitutes an attempt to collude which never actually occurred and runs contrary to the central claims of the investigation? At this point, it's starting to look like people are just flinging as much shit as possible at a president they don't like so they can see what will stick.

None of which are "lies." All are either still true or were the best information available at the time. (And, for the record, the ONLY proven collusion directly tying a campaign to Russia so far is, again, the fact that Hillary's campaign paid a spy to talk to the Russian officials who provided that spy with information. Since then, there have been generic corruption charges based on bribes but *still* no collusion.) And, if anything, subsequent investigations have turned up attempts by Russia to bolster movements like BLM in the USA which, by the way, goes back to the intelligence community's original theory that Russia was just trying to disrupt the election and undermine our government... and apparently it's worked, considering that you've been influenced into undermining the government.

But pardon me for interrupting your tug and letting the slightest sound into your echo chamber. Better start building those walls ten feet taller!
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Zeus posted...

None of which are "lies." All are either still true or were the best information available at the time. (And, for the record, the ONLY proven collusion directly tying a campaign to Russia so far is, again, the fact that Hillary's campaign paid a spy to talk to the Russian officials who provided that spy with information. Since then, there have been generic corruption charges based on bribes but *still* no collusion.) And, if anything, subsequent investigations have turned up attempts by Russia to bolster movements like BLM in the USA which, by the way, goes back to the intelligence community's original theory that Russia was just trying to disrupt the election and undermine our government... and apparently it's worked, considering that you've been influenced into undermining the government.

But pardon me for interrupting your tug and letting the slightest sound into your echo chamber. Better start building those walls ten feet taller!

That's a really long way to say yes you still believe that horseshit
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Dumpy's lawyers sent Mueller a letter saying that the President can't obstruct justice and he's a king that can't be questioned or defied.
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Every time I see a crazy Trump supporter at a rally I think of Zeus.
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This chucklehead claims he won't meet with North Korea because of insults thrown, has given a big fuck you to NAFTA trading partners that are not China, and is now looking to meet with Putin

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-summit-planning-means-putin-already-won-experts-react-2018-6
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Doctor Foxx posted...

and is now looking to meet with Putin

He needs a performance review from his master.
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Zeus posted...

None of which are "lies." All are either still true or were the best information available at the time. (And, for the record, the ONLY proven collusion directly tying a campaign to Russia so far is, again, the fact that Hillary's campaign paid a spy to talk to the Russian officials who provided that spy with information. Since then, there have been generic corruption charges based on bribes but *still* no collusion.) And, if anything, subsequent investigations have turned up attempts by Russia to bolster movements like BLM in the USA which, by the way, goes back to the intelligence community's original theory that Russia was just trying to disrupt the election and undermine our government... and apparently it's worked, considering that you've been influenced into undermining the government.

But pardon me for interrupting your tug and letting the slightest sound into your echo chamber. Better start building those walls ten feet taller!

I love the hole you're digging, ok?
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/06/04/616724965/giuliani-president-trump-has-constitutional-authority-to-pardon-himself

Updated 9:57 a.m. ET
President Trump has the "absolute" power to pardon himself, he argued on Monday morning, then asked rhetorically why he would use it because he hasn't done anything wrong.
Trump made his assertion in a Twitter post following a weekend in which his administration made a sweeping case about executive power.

Just because Trump has the relevant powers doesn't mean he will use them, supporters said.
Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, said in an interview on Sunday with ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos that Trump had "no intention" of a self-pardon and in a separate interview, on NBC's Meet the Press, he said that any such move would be "unthinkable" and might lead to impeachment.

"He has no intention of pardoning himself, but he probably not to say he can't," Giuliani said. "I think the political ramifications would be tough. Pardoning other people is one thing, pardoning yourself is tough."

On NBC, the former mayor of New York said, "Pardoning himself would be unthinkable and probably lead to immediate impeachment."

However: "He has no need to do it. He's done nothing wrong," Giuliani added.
Giuliani's remarks followed reports that the president's legal team sent a letter to Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller in late January outlining a legal justification that as president, Trump cannot be held accountable for obstruction of justice and should not be interviewed by investigators.
Trump's attorneys argue that as chief of the executive branch, he has near-complete power over appointees. That means that he could, for example, fire FBI Director James Comey for any reason and the dismissal could not constitute obstruction, they argue, or he could instruct that any investigation be ended for any reason.
Giuliani, speaking on NBC, also said that it was "pretty clear" that the president has the Constitutional authority to shut down any investigation, but added that terminating a probe where the president is the target might lead to impeachment.
Trump said on Twitter on Monday that Mueller's appointment was "unconstitutional" but that he would "play the game" because he had nothing to hide.

The appointment of the Special Councel is totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Despite that, we play the game because I, unlike the Democrats, have done nothing wrong!
Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 4, 2018
On ABC, Giuliani also said that the president's recollections about a statement he made about a June 9, 2016 meeting between top Trump campaign aides and a delegation of Russians offering to provide "dirt" on rival Hillary Clinton "keep changing."

"This is the reason you don't let this president testify in the special counsel's Russia investigation," Giuliani told Stephanopoulos. "Our recollection keeps changing, or we're not even asked a question and somebody makes an assumption."

"If I say something wrong on this show... if you were the FBI, my goodness, I'd they could prosecute me for the mistake. They'd say, 'of course it was a lie,'" he said.
Although Giuliani said a decision about whether the president will voluntarily sit for an interview with Mueller's team would not be made until after a planned June 12 summit in Singapore between Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, he said "we're leaning toward not" doing it.
"But look, if they can convince us that it will be brief, it would be to the point, there were five or six points they have to clarify, and with that, we can get this - this long nightmare for the - for the American public over," Giuliani told ABC.

Trump cited "numerous legal scholars" in claiming the power to pardon himself, but there does not appear to be consensus on that point. No president has ever attempted it. No court has ever tested it.
One historical view is that a president may have the power, but that it wouldn't grant him or her immunity from prosecution after leaving the presidency. In a legal opinion issued during the administration of President Richard Nixon, the Justice Department argued a president could not give himself a pardon because of the longstanding legal principle that no person could be the judge of his own case.
Trump has begun a practice of pardoning others: Last week he pardoned conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza; before that, former Vice President Dick Cheney's adviser Scooter Libby, Maricopa County, Aiz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio and others.
Trump also has granted a posthumous pardon to boxing great Jack Johnson, which clemency supporters have said could encourage more prisoners or people who have been convicted to try to get their cases onto his desk.

Jesus fucking christ, what a morning.
Trump says he's innocent but when he's found guilty he'll pardon himself.
Also he still can't spell counsel right lol.

Oh also, this obviously signals somebody flipped. Plz be Melania, plz plz plz.

knivesX2004 posted...

Jesus fucking christ, what a morning.
Trump says he's innocent but when he's found guilty he'll pardon himself.
Also he still can't spell counsel right lol.

Oh also, this obviously signals somebody flipped. Plz be Melania, plz plz plz.

I hadn't even thought of that but omg

What if it's the useless son in law
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Hoping for Melania because shes been missing for like 3 weeks and when people started questioning it a tweet came out from her Twitter account using the basic format of a trump tweet
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He may just be trying to set goals up to pardon Jr. If he can pardon himself surely he can pardon the beneficiaries of nepotism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/06/04/secret-memo-to-mueller-actually-reveals-weakness-of-trumps-position/
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https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-shoot-comey_us_5b145897e4b02143b7cd633e

In no case can he be subpoenaed or indicted, Rudy Giuliani told HuffPost Sunday, claiming a presidents constitutional powers are that broad. I dont know how you can indict while hes in office. No matter what it is.

Giuliani said impeachment was the initial remedy for a presidents illegal behavior even in the extreme hypothetical case of Trump having shot former FBI Director James Comey to end the Russia investigation rather than just firing him.

If he shot James Comey, hed be impeached the next day, Giuliani said. Impeach him, and then you can do whatever you want to do to him.

Norm Eisen, the White House ethics lawyer under President Barack Obama and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said the silliness of Giulianis claim illustrates how mistaken Trumps lawyers are about presidential power.

A president could not be prosecuted for murder? Really? he said. It is one of many absurd positions that follow from their argument. It is self-evidently wrong.

Giuliani seems like a great attorney

Also does this mean Donald Trump killed Melania and is setting things up to get away with murder? Probably not. Just what a lawyer
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1003802218200535040

Manafort attempted to tamper with potential witnesses: U.S. special counsel

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http://reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8ohesf/donald_trump_claims_he_has_absolute_right_to/e03enzv
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Phantom_Nook posted...

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1003802218200535040

Manafort attempted to tamper with potential witnesses: U.S. special counsel

Throw his ass in fucking jail.
Revoke his house arrest.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-twitter/u-s-appeals-ruling-that-trump-could-not-block-twitter-followers-idUSKCN1J1078

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said on Monday that it would appeal a federal judges ruling that President Donald Trump may not legally block Twitter users from his account on the social media platform based on their political views, according to a court filing.

A lawyer for the seven plaintiffs who sued, Jameel Jaffer, said that the @realdonaldtrump account on Monday had unblocked the seven plaintiffs.

The White House and the Justice Department did not immediately comment.

Were pleased that the White House unblocked our clients from the Presidents Twitter account but disappointed that the government intends to appeal the district courts thoughtful and well-supported ruling, Jaffer said in an email.

Trump has made his Twitter account - with more than 52 million followers - an integral and controversial part of his presidency, using it to promote his agenda, announce policy and attack critics. He has blocked many critics from his account, which prevents them from directly responding to his tweets.

U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald in Manhattan ruled on May 23 that comments on the presidents account, and those of other government officials, were public forums and that blocking Twitter users for their views violated their right to free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Buchwalds ruling was in response to a First Amendment lawsuit filed against Trump in July 2017 by the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University and several Twitter users.

The plaintiffs include Philip Cohen, a sociology professor at the University of Maryland; and Brandon Neely, a Texas police officer.

Cohen, who was blocked from Trumps account last June, wrote on Twitter late Monday: We whined. We complained. We sued. We won our First Amendment lawsuit in federal court. And now @realDonaldTrump has unblocked me. Wow!

Novelists Stephen King and Anne Rice, comedian Rosie ODonnell, model Chrissy Teigen, actress Marina Sirtis and the military veterans political action committee VoteVets.org are among others who have said on Twitter that Trump blocked them.

Buchwald rejected the argument by Justice Department lawyers that Trumps own First Amendment rights allowed him to block people with whom he did not wish to interact.

Trump could mute users, meaning he would not see their tweets while they could still respond to his, she said, without violating their free speech rights.

https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/1003803905967493120

Mueller wants Manafort in jail like now or to at least change the conditions of his bail since he clearly can't be a fuckwad before his trial.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/390689-papadpoulos-wife-asks-trump-to-pardon-her-husband-in-mueller-probe

Please pardon the innocent covfefe boy

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/manafort-attempted-to-tamper-with-potential-witnesses-u-s-special-counsel-idUSKCN1J1043

Manafort should have got the memo that it's a bad idea to tamper with witnesses especially when you're super innocent and shouldn't go to jail
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CA better not fuck up this primary lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8" data-time="

The current administration and legal team really are top notch
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knivesX2004 posted...

CA better not fuck up this primary lol.

Disappointment with a side of zero surprise in 3... 2... 1...
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knivesX2004 posted...

CA better not fuck up this primary lol.

As someone living in one of the few CA districts repped by a Republican, I've done my part.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

As someone living in one of the few CA districts repped by a Republican, I've done my part.

My friend unfortunately moved to Nunes' district.
I tried to warn her...

knivesX2004 posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

As someone living in one of the few CA districts repped by a Republican, I've done my part.

My friend unfortunately moved to Nunes' district.
I tried to warn her...

It gives her a chance to vote for Andrew Janez, at least.
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https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trumps-lawyers-argue-that-he-cannot-be-impeached-because-he-was-never-actually-elected

Trumps Lawyers Argue That He Cannot Be Impeached Because He Was Never Actually Elected

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)In what they believe is a legal masterstroke, lawyers for Donald J. Trump are now claiming that he cannot be impeached because he was never actually elected.

In a lengthy memo sent to the special counsel, Robert Mueller, the lawyers pushed back vehemently against any allegation that Trump was legally elected President.

Because Russian interference made the election of Donald J. Trump wholly illegitimate, any attempt to remove him from an office that he does not legally hold is clearly impossible, the memo asserted.

The memo claimed that the Constitution contains no provision for removing a person from office when that person was installed there by a foreign power.

The memo went on to argue that, if a subpoena is sent to the White House, it will be returned to Mueller and stamped addressee unknown.

A person referred to in a subpoena as President Donald J. Trump simply does not exist, the memo claimed.

Minutes after the memo was leaked, the former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani appeared on Fox & Friends and proudly announced that he was its author.

Sometimes I have to just step back and say, Damn it, Rudy, youre good, he said, beaming.

Satire is good when it hits so close
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Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trumps-lawyers-argue-that-he-cannot-be-impeached-because-he-was-never-actually-elected

Trumps Lawyers Argue That He Cannot Be Impeached Because He Was Never Actually Elected

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)In what they believe is a legal masterstroke, lawyers for Donald J. Trump are now claiming that he cannot be impeached because he was never actually elected.

In a lengthy memo sent to the special counsel, Robert Mueller, the lawyers pushed back vehemently against any allegation that Trump was legally elected President.

Because Russian interference made the election of Donald J. Trump wholly illegitimate, any attempt to remove him from an office that he does not legally hold is clearly impossible, the memo asserted.

The memo claimed that the Constitution contains no provision for removing a person from office when that person was installed there by a foreign power.

The memo went on to argue that, if a subpoena is sent to the White House, it will be returned to Mueller and stamped addressee unknown.

A person referred to in a subpoena as President Donald J. Trump simply does not exist, the memo claimed.

Minutes after the memo was leaked, the former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani appeared on Fox & Friends and proudly announced that he was its author.

Sometimes I have to just step back and say, Damn it, Rudy, youre good, he said, beaming.

Satire is good when it hits so close

I feel like they are less than an inch away from this already
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This isn't related to the investigation

This is just extremely cringe

https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a21092421/trump-forgets-words-god-bless-america-patriotic/
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/mueller-team-zeroes-in-on-encrypted-apps-as-witness-turn-in-phones.html

now daughter dearest is in on it.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/ivanka-trump-putin-moscow-meeting-michael-cohen-tower?utm_term=.sj0E7Akm9#.gcJ301wV6
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Phantom_Nook posted...

now daughter dearest is in on it.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/ivanka-trump-putin-moscow-meeting-michael-cohen-tower?utm_term=.sj0E7Akm9#.gcJ301wV6

Russian athletes being shady eh? The film Icarus comes to mind

(Which you should totally watch on Netflix if you haven't yet)
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Spencer Hsu
@hsu_spencer
BREAKING A new indictment was returned by prosecutors with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III this afternoon in federal court in Washington, according to court papers. Details are expected imminently.

1:48 PM - Jun 8, 2018

oh shit
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Spencer Hsu
@hsu_spencer
BREAKING A new indictment was returned by prosecutors with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III this afternoon in federal court in Washington, according to court papers. Details are expected imminently.

1:48 PM - Jun 8, 2018

oh shit

:O
NOTHING BURGER!!

knivesX2004 posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Spencer Hsu
@hsu_spencer
BREAKING A new indictment was returned by prosecutors with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III this afternoon in federal court in Washington, according to court papers. Details are expected imminently.

1:48 PM - Jun 8, 2018

oh shit

:O
NOTHING BURGER!!

Fire up the grill for these nothing burgers

I wonder if that's why Trump has decided he's going to ask NFL players who kneel who they would like to pardon
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I want mine well done with ketchup
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looks like more charges for Manafort.
I got my hopes up it'd be Roger Stone or Don Jr.
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