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A_Good_Boy 04/21/18 9:24:11 PM #1: |
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/04/21/school-slavery-homework-assignment-texas/538770002/
A charter school in Texas has apologized after eighth-grade students were asked to list the "positive" and "negative" aspects of slavery for an American history class. https://twitter.com/JoaquinCastrotx/status/987013603424382977/photo/1 Let's wait for all the facts first. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kaname_Madoka 04/21/18 9:28:03 PM #2: |
why do schools keep repeating this same mistake in america
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frozenshock 04/21/18 9:28:35 PM #3: |
How much alcohol do you need to drink to think giving this assignment was a good idea?
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UrCa1988 04/21/18 9:29:19 PM #4: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Texas Yeah, makes sense. --- "Sometimes, all the stupidity in the world is boiled down to one single product that you can buy at Home Depot." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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E32005 04/21/18 9:29:55 PM #5: |
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Trigg3rH4ppy 04/21/18 9:32:02 PM #6: |
Inb4 someone lists the pros
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DuneMan 04/21/18 9:32:28 PM #7: |
What would the students even write? "Spending time together outside, singing songs, counting your meager blessings when the task master whips someone else, or the main master decides to have his way with some other slave woman"
That being said, even if this assignment didn't originate in Pearson materials, the textbooks taught in southern states definitely do some heavy editorializing of history... -_- --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turbam 04/21/18 9:32:32 PM #8: |
What kind of positives were they expecting students to write?
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Antifar 04/21/18 9:32:38 PM #9: |
We hear like one of these stories a month
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thronedfire2 04/21/18 9:34:32 PM #10: |
Turbam posted...
What kind of positives were they expecting students to write? free passage to America? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SGT_Conti 04/21/18 9:34:32 PM #11: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
"The Life of Slaves: A Balanced View," Huh --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/21/18 9:34:52 PM #12: |
DuneMan posted...
That being said, even if this assignment didn't originate in Pearson materials, the textbooks taught in southern states definitely do some heavy editorializing of history... -_- Probably why these stories are constantly coming out of those states. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 04/21/18 9:35:07 PM #13: |
I get why the question would bother people, it would bother me but I think it's a fair question to ask. What are some positives that came out of that horrible part of US history. Maybe it could have been worded differently so that it wouldn't sound so pro slavery but honestly I have no problem with the question.
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A_Good_Boy 04/21/18 9:36:25 PM #14: |
creativerealms posted...
I get why the question would bother people, it would bother me but I think it's a fair question to ask. What are some positives that came out of that horrible part of US history. Maybe it could have been worded differently so that it wouldn't sound so pro slavery but honestly I have no problem with the question. Ok then; as a slave, what positive aspects can you assign to your bondage? --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 04/21/18 9:37:57 PM #15: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
creativerealms posted...I get why the question would bother people, it would bother me but I think it's a fair question to ask. What are some positives that came out of that horrible part of US history. Maybe it could have been worded differently so that it wouldn't sound so pro slavery but honestly I have no problem with the question. Uh you didn't read what I said did you. I was talking about the aftermath. Looming at it after it ended. --- No sig. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/21/18 9:39:17 PM #16: |
creativerealms posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...creativerealms posted...I get why the question would bother people, it would bother me but I think it's a fair question to ask. What are some positives that came out of that horrible part of US history. Maybe it could have been worded differently so that it wouldn't sound so pro slavery but honestly I have no problem with the question. That's not what the assignment seems to be asking. Please stay on topic, k. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultimate reaver 04/21/18 9:39:35 PM #17: |
creativerealms posted...
I get why the question would bother people, it would bother me but I think it's a fair question to ask. What are some positives that came out of that horrible part of US history. Maybe it could have been worded differently so that it wouldn't sound so pro slavery but honestly I have no problem with the question. that is not a thought exercise you assign eighth graders --- butts ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master_Bass 04/21/18 9:39:55 PM #18: |
Turbam posted...
What kind of positives were they expecting students to write? Greedy and inhumane masters got rich off slave labor? I wouldn't call that positive, but maybe that's what the creator of this worksheet was going for? --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Evil_Evil_Evil_ 04/21/18 9:41:30 PM #19: |
slave masters benefit from free labor is probably the answer they were looking for.
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Turbam 04/21/18 9:42:22 PM #20: |
thronedfire2 posted...
Turbam posted...What kind of positives were they expecting students to write? Free? --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 04/21/18 9:42:40 PM #21: |
creativerealms posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...creativerealms posted...I get why the question would bother people, it would bother me but I think it's a fair question to ask. What are some positives that came out of that horrible part of US history. Maybe it could have been worded differently so that it wouldn't sound so pro slavery but honestly I have no problem with the question. Okay then. How was Jim Crowe good for former slaves? --- Pew pew! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DuneMan 04/21/18 9:44:33 PM #22: |
Turbam posted...
Free? Well, it was more like being kidnapped and sold into bondage by raiders who made a living by capturing people to be shipped to America. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EnragedSlith 04/21/18 9:50:19 PM #23: |
Should just read Thomas Jeffersons essay about it
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thronedfire2 04/21/18 9:50:57 PM #24: |
DuneMan posted...
Turbam posted...Free? they didn't have to pay for a cruise ticket, though --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DuneMan 04/21/18 9:52:23 PM #25: |
thronedfire2 posted...
they didn't have to pay for a cruise ticket, though Nope, just laid flat together like sardines, earning the name 'coffin ships'. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Re-iNcarnated 04/21/18 9:54:17 PM #26: |
LeT's wAit F0r tHE WhoLe sTorY FIRst
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Phantom_Nook 04/21/18 9:54:30 PM #27: |
this is like, the fifth assignment where a school asks students to explain the merits of [objectively bad thing] that I've heard of recently. you think schools would learn.
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REMercsChamp 04/21/18 9:55:01 PM #28: |
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Fam_Fam 04/21/18 10:13:28 PM #29: |
perhaps the fact that food was produced that fed people is a good thing? and cotton that could be used to clothe people as well is positive. reducing the price of labor also makes the items cheaper, making them accessible for more people
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Endofall 04/26/18 6:49:14 AM #31: |
Reminds me of those teachers that try to get the students to reenact it
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averagejoel 04/26/18 7:13:25 AM #32: |
DuneMan posted...
What would the students even write? "Spending time together outside, singing songs, counting your meager blessings when the task master whips someone else, or the main master decides to have his way with some other slave woman" it's not just the southern states. don't pin this entirely on them --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 04/26/18 7:16:05 AM #33: |
This is something that should be in a debate class, tbh.
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averagejoel 04/26/18 7:53:13 AM #34: |
Kineth posted...
This is something that should be in a debate class, tbh. I really wish they would stop making people think there are grey areas in black and white issues. moral relativism is a fucking dangerous thing, and too many people subscribe to it after high school --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/26/18 8:03:47 AM #35: |
Fam_Fam posted...
perhaps the fact that food was produced that fed people is a good thing? and cotton that could be used to clothe people as well is positive. reducing the price of labor also makes the items cheaper, making them accessible for more people Black people didn't need to be enslaved so that they could grow food. Seems like they were able to feed themselves for millennia without needing to be held in bondage. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/26/18 8:08:54 AM #36: |
I get the point of the exercise but the wording is stupid, for adult let alone children
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Kineth 04/26/18 8:42:32 AM #37: |
averagejoel posted...
Kineth posted...This is something that should be in a debate class, tbh. I agree with you. This would just be an exercise on being able to produce a competent argument on an issue that you do not side with. Admittedly, there are better topics that could be used to achieve the same goal, but in high school, the Lincoln-Douglas debate style is generally used, so the subject could be broached in a way that doesn't seek to validate slavery at all, especially given the namesakes. Still, not saying it should be a platform for what you describe. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 04/26/18 8:54:54 AM #38: |
averagejoel posted...
Kineth posted...This is something that should be in a debate class, tbh. For whatever reason, I have difficulty with what should be an easy right or wrong, or good or evil. I get tripped up on super easy questions, like, is it "wrong to kill someone?". Like, I know what the answer SHOULD be, but my mind goes straight to gray areas. Every. Time. Am I just a sociopath? --- I tried to think of something clever to put here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Laserion 04/26/18 9:09:01 AM #39: |
The question wasn't what good came out of it in general. Of course the masters benefited, and other people in power got food and clothing materials. But the question was what good came out of it for the slaves. What possible answers could they have in mind?
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YOUHAVENOHOPE 04/26/18 9:10:19 AM #40: |
Laserion posted...
The question wasn't what good came out of it in general. Of course the masters benefited, and other people in power got food and clothing materials. But the question was what good came out of it for the slaves. What possible answers could they have in mind? They were afforded the great opportunity to come to the United States (this is literally what some people believe) --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Top Crusader 04/26/18 9:19:14 AM #41: |
Laserion posted...
The question wasn't what good came out of it in general. Of course the masters benefited, and other people in power got food and clothing materials. But the question was what good came out of it for the slaves. What possible answers could they have in mind? See it's worded poorly but when I heard about this my assumption was that they were asking about overall like that. Cheap labor, etc. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dyinglegacy 04/26/18 9:19:46 AM #42: |
Laserion posted...
The question wasn't what good came out of it in general. Of course the masters benefited, and other people in power got food and clothing materials. But the question was what good came out of it for the slaves. What possible answers could they have in mind? The only way to know this would be to peer into an alternate timeline in which slavery never occured. Measure both timelines and then determine the positive (if any) and negative effects. --- I tried to think of something clever to put here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN 04/26/18 9:19:46 AM #43: |
That doesn't sound like asking how slaves benefited from slavery but more how the country and economy did.
I think it's a fair assignment for college or maybe high school. You have to be pretty fucking stupid to give it to middle school kids. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/26/18 9:57:57 AM #44: |
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
That doesn't sound like asking how slaves benefited from slavery but more how the country and economy did. The assignment is literally titled "The life of slaves: a balanced view". If it were asking how slavery benefitted the nation then the title would reflect that. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 04/26/18 9:59:36 AM #45: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...That doesn't sound like asking how slaves benefited from slavery but more how the country and economy did. Because it was horribly worded --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 04/26/18 10:05:14 AM #46: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Why assume that? --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Caution999 04/26/18 10:11:11 AM #47: |
Obviously some dumb teacher being dumb.
Either that, or he/she wasn't thinking clearly when they made the test. Perhaps the test had 4 or 5 pages of positive and negative aspects(of different subjects), and they just went on auto-pilot for the rest of the test and copied and pasted the same box? Either way, that's on the teacher. They should proof-read their tests before they hand them out. I mean, you'd have to WANT to be fired to make a mistake like that... --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 04/26/18 10:17:00 AM #48: |
charter school in texas.
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averagejoel 04/26/18 10:28:26 AM #49: |
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...Kineth posted...This is something that should be in a debate class, tbh. well, there are people that deserve to die. there are people for whom killing them would be an objective benefit to the world (largely fascists). there are also people whose deaths were justifiable because of necessity (the royal family at the end of the French Revolution) --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 04/26/18 10:31:35 AM #50: |
I'm not against wonky, provocative, and weird philosophical questions, 8th graders are probably capable of handling it, but stuff like this does need to be handled with caution because of the sensitive nature of the subject. I went to decent schools so I would trust them, but a random school in Texas isn't getting the benefit of the doubt on my end.
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