Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 5: The Pursuit (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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Pursuit of the perfect truth (of line counts), that is.

Here's all the line count data, if anyone wants to see it:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sBPDmATQERIv7R3VvvXx43DRJZNOwnSwmLkZhfWLqSc/edit?usp=sharing

I've also compiled all my time stats from last year here if anyone wants them, too:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qSdmjcbQjG_QPBFylHNgk7oVXRbsSjDetdO8w7Ygh8k/edit?usp=sharing
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Woo more Ace Attorney
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Whoo
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I wonder if it would've been more obvious that Alba was the killer all along if they'd kept his Japanese name, CARNAGE ONRED
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Lang catching Franziska's whip is yet another cool moment in E1-5 for him
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E1-5 is seriously underrated

it has some real problems - I particularly hate the segment where they go outside and figure out the trick with the lights because it serves NO purpose and doesn't connect to the rest of the crime in any way - but there's a lot of cool shit in it

I don't even think the Alba confrontation is that bad although it is pretty comical how many times he tries to leave. And the drop of blood on the japanese flag is probably the most amazing coincidence in the series ever and that's saying a *lot*. but I still think it's fine

Paratroopa1 posted...

it has some real problems - I particularly hate the segment where they go outside and figure out the trick with the lights because it serves NO purpose and doesn't connect to the rest of the crime in any way

Yeah, E1-5 feels kinda disjointed at times, and that's probably the biggest example. Pretty much the only real takeaway from that segment is learning about the auto-refilling pool that they used to put out the fires (which you later use to piece together how Shih-na crossed into Babahl without anyone knowing), but it's not like you couldn't have learned about that some other way.

And yeah, I don't think the Alba showdown is as bad as people make it out to be. He actually becomes a legit opponent once Lang strips him of his title because he can't just stonewall you with his authority anymore. The last couple of testimonies are really good, but I can't blame anyone for being worn down and ready for the case to be over at that point.
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I went to Video Games Live not expecting much and I wasn't feeling it, then they played some Ace Attorney music. Best concert ever
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I like Alba because he legitimately feels like a tough nut to crack on multiple fronts. Some solidly challenging testimonies to break through (I generally thought AAI was pretty easy most of the time), and a diplomat is actually a pretty darn fitting "hard to pin something on" character for a prosecutor. I feel the game makes me believe that I could actually win this but it would be hard as hell, which is kinda the space you want to be in. I also quite liked how lots of little details I was wondering about from earlier in the case would be relevant.

I mean I still think it could be shorter/more streamlined (and yeah the light trick part is pointless) but I feel that about basically every epic case except perhaps DD's. (Well, 4-4 isn't that long either; I just hate 4-4.)
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Well, 4-4 is one of the shortest epic cases, so yeah, length isn't one of its many issues.
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Real life is intervening so I'm probably not going to get to play much again until this weekend.
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but to provide something AA related for the day

that fan pulley they used to switch the Primidux Statues

that sure was a thing wasn't it
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I feel like my retention percentage of case details is lower in e1-5 than any other case. every time I play it, it feels like a brand new case because who can keep up with it?
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E1-5 is very scattered for sure, but I think the high notes of the case are pretty easy to keep up with.
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LeonhartFour posted...

but to provide something AA related for the day

that fan pulley they used to switch the Primidux Statues

that sure was a thing wasn't it

LOL Would ceiling fans really have the strength to pull those statues without falling out of the ceiling?
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well technically one of them did fall out of the ceiling

the other one seems fine though
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I am tired
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Kay: Mr. Edgeworth! Why are you telling us stuff we can clearly see for ourselves?!

*gong*

You don't get the game!
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Edgeworth coming up with the idea of using the crossbow to shoot the plant support sticks as arrows feels like something Phoenix would pull out of thin air, not him.
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Edgeworth: It seems that we have finally arrived at the exit of this complex labyrinth.

oh Edgeworth you poor naive soul we've only just entered the labyrinth
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Whew, finally reached the first checkpoint in E1-5 End. Alba's got some pretty great theme music, by the way.
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Third time re-organizing the evidence in E1-5
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the lack of responses here is purely due to E1-5
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it's due to the fact that it's taking me so long to beat

we've talked about it a lot already
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that's because you're into e1-5 end

how's alba lookin'
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still haven't gotten to the first testimony yet

I forgot how much stuff you have to do before he even gives you the time of day
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I haven't!
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Yeah I'm pretty sure we've already talked more about E1-5 than many other cases in this retread! There's a lot to talk about with it. I think it's really good, personally, but even those who don't tend to have an opinion on it!
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you've gotta go through everything in Alba's office with Lang and Franziska, as well as figure out the trick to switching the statues and present the trump card just to get him to transform

then you have another investigation sequence in the lobby area where you gather your final pieces of evidence

and finally the showdown begins
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Edgeworth and Franziska have a short conversation about how Alba used to be this decorated war hero who saved the royal family on numerous occasions, causing them to wonder what changed him into the ringleader of the smuggling ring

see looks like AAI already had the former national hero turned corrupt villain and little good it did us since we only ever see his evil side
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Edgeworth: No, there is clearly something odd about the bulge

posted without context
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Number of Alba hand raises so far: 3

Stay tuned for the final count
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feels like 9
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well that was only after one testimony in

up to 6 now
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now that Lang has stripped Alba of his ambassadorship he actually starts taking this seriously so here's where it gets good

current hand raise count: 12
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Edgeworth: You...! Is not every life precious?!
Alba: Heh heh heh...Do you really need me to answer that for you?

probably Alba's best line right there

current hand raise count: 15
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Alba sympathizing with Oldbag's bad hip is an oddly humanizing moment for him

perhaps his only one
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LeonhartFour posted...

Edgeworth and Franziska have a short conversation about how Alba used to be this decorated war hero who saved the royal family on numerous occasions, causing them to wonder what changed him into the ringleader of the smuggling ring

see looks like AAI already had the former national hero turned corrupt villain and little good it did us since we only ever see his evil side

And he's a better character than the one in AAI2, yes! (He could have been better if we'd seen more of his good side, mind - both situations suffer from us not actually seeing them except in their stated role of president/war hero. To really nail these characters you kinda have to talk about background setting which is not something Ace Attorney is very good at to be frank.)
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NeoElfboy posted...

And he's a better character than the one in AAI2, yes!

Nope
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thank you Lang for stopping E1-5 from becoming even longer than it already is

Edgeworth suggests investigating the dressing room and Kay adds they could use Little Thief too but Lang says that's unnecessary

Lang the real star of E1-5 through and through
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and Alba is finally down for the count

speaking of count

final hand raising count: 26

also final line counts for E1-5 and AAI1 coming soonish
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actually it's getting late and I'm tired so I'll finish up all these counts tomorrow
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Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 15074
2. Miles Edgeworth - 8480
3. Maya Fey - 4441
4. The Judge - 3846
5. Dick Gumshoe - 3308
6. Franziska von Karma - 2086
7. Mia Fey - 1418
8. Kay Faraday - 1218
9. Ema Skye - 1180
10. Pearl Fey - 1035
11. Godot - 902
12. Larry Butz - 879
13. Shi-Long Lang - 693
14. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578
15. Wendy Oldbag - 553
16. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489
17. Adrian Andrews - 459
18. Lotta Hart - 437
19. The Judge's Brother - 421
20. Bikini - 351
21. Will Powers - 329
22. Maggey Byrde - 323
23. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320
24. Manfred von Karma - 317
25. Tyrell Badd - 313
26. Quercus Alba - 303
27. Winston Payne - 301
28. Luke Atmey - 292
29. Damon Gant - 285
30. Ini Miney - 275
31. Angel Starr - 272
32. Ron DeLite - 269
33. Rhoda Teneiro - 268
34. Jake Marshall - 257
35. Jean Armstrong - 251
36. Lana Skye - 249
37. Victor Kudo - 247
38. Marvin Grossberg - 234
39. Jacques Portsman - 231
40. Shelly de Killer - 219
41. Maximillion Galactica - 203
42. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200
43. Mike Meekins - 183
44. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182
45. Iris - 181
46. Furio Tigre - 176
47. Matt Engarde - 171
48. Cammy Meele - 168
49. Morgan Fey - 165
50. Redd White - 162
51. Regina Berry - 151
52. Colias Palaeno - 150
53. Dee Vasquez - 148
54. Zinc Lablanc - 146
55. Trilo Quist - 140
56. Desiree DeLite - 139
57. Cody Hackins - 135
58. Lauren Paups - 130
59. Richard Wellington - 107
60. April May - 104
61. Yanni Yogi - 98
62. Lance Amano - 92
63. Penny Nichols - 86
64. Viola Cadaverini - 80
65. Terry Fawles - 74
66. The Bellboy - 72
67. Director Hotti - 71
68. Ernest Amano - 68
69. Benjamin Woodman - 60
70. Sal Manella - 59
71. Frank Sahwit - 58
72. Chief of Detectives - 55
73. Lisa Basil - 46
74. Turner Grey - 39
75. Elise Deauxnim - 30
76. Polly - 20
77. Gregory Edgeworth - 5

Overall total lines - 57764

E1-5 Middle - 2476
E1-5 End - 1626
E1-5 Beginning - 729

Total lines by case:

2-4 - 5946
1-5 - 5913
3-5 - 5815
E1-5 - 4831
3-2 - 4151
3-3 - 4063
2-3 - 3884
1-4 - 3466
2-2 - 3119
E1-4 - 2935
1-3 - 2741
E1-3 - 2412
E1-2 - 1995
1-2 - 1773
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
E1-1 - 1039
2-2 - 899
1-1 - 389

Totals lines by game:

T&T - 16422
PW1 - 14282
JFA - 13848
AAI1 - 13212

Total lines by character per case:

Turnabout Ablaze (E1-5)

1. Miles Edgeworth - 2036 (42.14%)
2. Kay Faraday - 580 (12.01%)
3. Franziska von Karma - 432 (8.94%)
4. Shi-Long Lang - 430 (8.90%)
5. Quercus Alba - 303 (6.27%)
6. Dick Gumshoe - 278 (5.75%)
7. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 210 (4.35%)
8. Larry Butz - 196 (4.06%)
9. Colias Palaeno - 150 (3.10%)
10. Other - 71
11. Tyrell Badd - 68
12. Wendy Oldbag - 62
13. Missile - 4
14. Maggey Byrde - 3
15. Manfred von Karma - 1
16. Rhoda Teneiro - 1
17. Zinc Lablanc - 1
18. Mike Meekins - 1
19. Ema Skye - 1
20. Lauren Paups - 1
21. The Judge - 1

Percentage of lines per case by game:

Ace Attorney Investigations 1

E1-5 - 36.57%
E1-4 - 22.21%
E1-3 - 18.26%
E1-2 - 15.10%
E1-1 - 7.86%
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Total lines by character per game:

Ace Attorney Investigations 1

1. Miles Edgeworth - 5825 (44.09%)
2. Kay Faraday - 1218 (9.22%)
3. Franziska von Karma - 1168 (8.84%)
4. Dick Gumshoe - 1045 (7.91%)
5. Shi-Long Lang - 693 (5.25%)
6. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489 (3.70%)
7. Tyrell Badd - 313
8. Quercus Alba - 303
9. Rhoda Teneiro - 268
10. Jacques Portsman - 231
11. Other - 209
12. Larry Butz - 196
13. Cammy Meele - 168
14. Colias Palaeno - 150
15. Zinc Lablanc - 146
16. The Judge - 133
17. Lauren Paups - 130
18. Wendy Oldbag - 110
19. Lance Amano - 92
20. Manfred von Karma - 69
21. Ernest Amano - 68
22. Maggey Byrde - 66
23. Mike Meekins - 55
24. Ema Skye - 30
25. The Bellboy - 15
26. Mack Rell - 5
27. Missile - 4
28. Byrne Faraday - 2
29. Chief of Detectives - 2
30. Manny Coachen - 2
31. Sal Manella - 2
32. Winston Payne - 2
33. Buddy Faith - 2

Most lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 2194
Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 2036
Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 2032
Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 1570
Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 1476
Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 1433
Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 1370
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 1236
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117
Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 1059
Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 936
Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812
Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 466
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436
Mia Fey (3-1) - 396
Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 329
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Miles Edgeworth (E1-2) - 46.92%
Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-1) - 44.85%
Phoenix Wright (2-2) - 43.92%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-3) - 43.91%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-5) - 42.14%
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75%
Phoenix Wright (2-4) - 36.90%
Phoenix Wright (2-1) - 36.60%
Phoenix Wright (3-3) - 36.33%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.59%
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 34.94%
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70%
Phoenix Wright (3-2) - 34.52%
Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 34.36%
Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93%
Phoenix Wright (2-3) - 31.82%
Phoenix Wright (3-5) - 27.00%
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Judge seems like a lock for #3. Could Apollo overtake Maya?
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_Harmonica_ posted...

Judge seems like a lock for #3. Could Apollo overtake Maya?

I am like, 95% confident Apollo will overtake Maya. He has 4-1, 4-2, 4-3, 4-4, 5-2, 6-2, and 6-5 as the playable character, 5-3 as the assistant, a major role in 5-4 and 5-5, and a minor role in 5-1 and 5-6. This is more than enough, especially since 6-5 is basically two cases. Apollo 6-5 is going to rank #1 in line count EASILY.

Maya does have 6-6 as an assistant and a substantial number of lines in 6-3 as well as a tiny bit of 6-5, but I don't think it's enough when Apollo is the main character in effectively 8 cases and his 5-3 will eat Maya's 6-6 anyway.

looks like Maya will hold off Gumshoe with her AA6 performances. Apollo probably takes #4? hard to say right now. Judge should be #3 easily.
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I sort of wonder if I would have been right about Gumshoe > Maya if this were counted by number of text boxes as opposed to number of lines, which is what I was thinking before this started - so like, Gumshoe's long case explanations would be multiple lines, not just one. That was a big part of my calculus. Now that I look at how many lines Maya gets from being the assistant I'm kind of surprised Gumshoe is this close!

Be careful not to sleep on Apollo's line count. It's not going to be less than 6000.

And "not less than 6000" is really modest on my part, looking at comparisons again

I mean, he's got to have like nearly 3000 lines in 6-5 alone, right?