Current Events > Why do nationalists in America not seem to mind that Russia meddled in its

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presidential election?

Because there's as much proof as there is Obama not having a birth certificate
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because Russia is a white country and can do no wrong to them
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foreveraIone posted...

because Russia is a white country and can do no wrong to them

Pretty much this and the fact that it benefited them

Now if say China did the same thing but for Dems, then they'd never stop reeeeeing about it
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Doom_Art posted...

the fact that it benefited them

exclusively this

if clinton won and the meddling info came out they'd all be screaming to see what happened to create their own narrative that trump won and the russians stole the win from him for clinton

i say just do the due dilligence, identify the events and fix the problems in our electoral system so it doesnt happen again. we'll just undo any legislation passed by this admin via fiscal reconciliation after the next presidential election anyway
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because america has influenced other countries elections as much and much more directly? and that's not really a big deal, there's no punishment for it.

Fishy posted...

Because there's as much proof as there is Obama not having a birth certificate

Correct me if I'm wrong, but intelligence agencies have already identified individuals associated with Russia who gave Wikileaks info stolen from the DNC.

In any case, if I were a nationalist I would be kinda mad.

Fam_Fam posted...

because america has influenced other countries elections as much and much more directly?

*whataboutism alarm begins blaring*

AHHHHH HE DID THE THING!!!

*waves arms wildly*

Darkman124 posted...

i say just do the due dilligence, identify the events and fix the problems in our electoral system so it doesnt happen again. we'll just undo any legislation passed by this admin via fiscal reconciliation after the next presidential election anyway

I'm not going to hold my breath for this limp-dicked administration and congress to take any sort of meaningful positive reform on this, though.
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Because their side won, of course the losing side only cares because they lost.
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Doom_Art posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

because america has influenced other countries elections as much and much more directly?

*whataboutism alarm begins blaring*

AHHHHH HE DID THE THING!!!

*waves arms wildly*

Darkman124 posted...

i say just do the due dilligence, identify the events and fix the problems in our electoral system so it doesnt happen again. we'll just undo any legislation passed by this admin via fiscal reconciliation after the next presidential election anyway

I'm not going to hold my breath for this limp-dicked administration and congress to take any sort of meaningful positive reform on this, though.

are you dumb? I'm saying that interfering in elections is commonplace and is done without repercussions when you are a powerful country. How is that whataboutism?

Fam_Fam posted...

are you dumb? I'm saying that interfering in elections is commonplace and is done without repercussions when you are a powerful country. How is that whataboutism?

Do you think that is a just thing? Does it justify Russia meddling within our own election? How does this relate back to the original point? Or is it just a distraction to steer the conversation away from the obvious truth?
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Haha, take that liberals isnt a meme its a real thing
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How did Russia meddle in the election? Like, what did they do?
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$100k worth of Facebook ads, that spread lies about both Trump and Hillary, isnt enough to affect the election of a fucking dog catcher.
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gmanthebest posted...

How did Russia meddle in the election? Like, what did they do?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721
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The only meddling we have any evidence for boils down to tabloid headlines that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would know is BS. We gonna ban the National Enquirer and Globe next?
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Because Americans treat politics like sports and want their side to win. This isnt specific to nationalists. Just look at the hacks on this board.
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SageHarpuia posted...

The only meddling we have any evidence for boils down to tabloid headlines that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would know is BS. We gonna ban the National Enquirer and Globe next?

Doom_Art posted...

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

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There is no evidence that any of the registration rolls were altered in any fashion, according to U.S. officials.

On a side note, why do we always catch people committing voter fraud for the party that denies it?
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COVxy posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

are you dumb? I'm saying that interfering in elections is commonplace and is done without repercussions when you are a powerful country. How is that whataboutism?

Do you think that is a just thing? Does it justify Russia meddling within our own election? How does this relate back to the original point? Or is it just a distraction to steer the conversation away from the obvious truth?

There is an old saying: What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

We done it for years to other countries under the guise of "National Interests" and putting puppets into power and now, somebody did it to us.

I'm not saying it's alright for Russia, or any other nation to interfere with another nations elections, but don't expect sympathy when you smack a bee hive and you end up getting stung.
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desperation to just shit talk trump
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Doom_Art posted...

gmanthebest posted...

How did Russia meddle in the election? Like, what did they do?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

That document has been crapped on so many times it's hilarious, the only people outside of the DNC who have even seen the server is a DNC connected IT firm that later retracted the Russia claim so ya no evidence of hacking at all.

Oh did you forget the FBI using opposition research that they knew was false to obtain warrants to spy on Trump, ya the intel community are really trust worthy LOL.

Only evidence of anything Russia related so far is 100k in face book adds which to be frank is bugger all.

what the hell are you babbling about
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DirkDiggles posted...

but don't expect sympathy

who is asking for sympathy
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Doom_Art posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

You're able to read right?

"We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated."

NBC News reached out to the 21 states that were targeted. Five states, including Texas and California, said they were never attacked.

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Doom_Art posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

The only meddling we have any evidence for boils down to tabloid headlines that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would know is BS. We gonna ban the National Enquirer and Globe next?

Doom_Art posted...

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

According to those articles, Russia attempted to hack into the voter registration databases of 21 states, succeeded in a few, and nothing was altered.

"Hacked the election" indeed.

EDIT: Also, if you want real evidence of hard intervention, we'd be much better served talking about the facebook and social media ads bought to specifically divide the country along racial lines, which likely had a much bigger impact on the election than the supposed "hack" which itself wouldn't have impacted votes.
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s0nicfan posted...

Doom_Art posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

The only meddling we have any evidence for boils down to tabloid headlines that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would know is BS. We gonna ban the National Enquirer and Globe next?

Doom_Art posted...

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

According to those articles, Russia attempted to hack into the voter registration databases of 21 states, succeeded in a few, and nothing was altered.

"Hacked the election" indeed.

EDIT: Also, if you want real evidence of hard intervention, we'd be much better served talking about the facebook and social media ads bought to specifically divide the country along racial lines, which likely had a much bigger impact on the election than the supposed "hack" which itself wouldn't have impacted votes.

I wasn't aware that to what degrees Russia actually meddled was in dispute, to be completely honest. I thought the whole thing with the Russian meddling wasn't really that they "changed the votes" via hacking the voting machines, but that one of their own intelligence agencies retrieved info from the DNC and gave it to Wikileaks. So it was really more about creating propaganda, inflaming the bases, and controlling the narratives. As I understand it.

is @drunkmuggle a beta bull
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Coincidentally, I just saw this new story

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721?cid=eml_nbn_20180207

I was aware that the voting machines had been "tampered with, but not hacked". But well before the election? Wow.

AlphaCuck posted...

Coincidentally, I just saw this new story

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721?cid=eml_nbn_20180207

I was aware that the voting machines had been "tampered with, but not hacked". But well before the election? Wow.

That's the thing though.. the voting machines are offline. They CAN'T be hacked. What Russia hacked were the voter registration databases in some states, which at worst could have been used to cause some people's names to not be in the books when they showed up on voting day. However, given that the vast majority of states use paper books and have humans check IDs at the door, this wouldn't have even impacted voting. It would be physically impossible without actually touching the machines after the votes had been cast from altering the results.
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Fishy posted...

Doom_Art posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

You're able to read right?

"We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated."

NBC News reached out to the 21 states that were targeted. Five states, including Texas and California, said they were never attacked.

Your point? Unless "exceptionally small" means zero, that's unacceptable.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Your point? Unless "exceptionally small" means zero, that's unacceptable.

Therefore what do you think the US should do?
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s0nicfan posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Your point? Unless "exceptionally small" means zero, that's unacceptable.

Therefore what do you think the US should do?

Enforce the sanctions that Trump himself signed, for starters.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Your point? Unless "exceptionally small" means zero, that's unacceptable.

Therefore what do you think the US should do?

Enforce the sanctions that Trump himself signed, for starters.

So you would prefer the US have an adversarial relationship with Russia?

I'm not disagreeing with you on the sanctions, but I find it strange that the basic dem position on Russia is "we should be treating them like an enemy." I fail to see how that goes anywhere other than another cold war. I mean, if we're going to go that route, China has been stealing intellectual property from the US for decades.. they should be our enemy too. Also the entire OPEC consortium which has been holding oil prices hostage for decades should be our enemy. The dem position on Russia is pretty inconsistent in terms of how they expect the US to react to a world power doing these types of things, because I think even the dems recognize that said mindset only leads to war.
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AlphaCuck posted...

Fishy posted...

Because there's as much proof as there is Obama not having a birth certificate

Correct me if I'm wrong, but intelligence agencies have already identified individuals associated with Russia who gave Wikileaks info stolen from the DNC.

In any case, if I were a nationalist I would be kinda mad.

you're wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYzB96_EK7s
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COVxy posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

are you dumb? I'm saying that interfering in elections is commonplace and is done without repercussions when you are a powerful country. How is that whataboutism?

Do you think that is a just thing? Does it justify Russia meddling within our own election? How does this relate back to the original point? Or is it just a distraction to steer the conversation away from the obvious truth?

The original post is asking why people don't care. what I'm saying is that it's consistent with other instances, and so it's not a particularly hard question. It's the same reaction they have had in other situations that are similar.

s0nicfan posted...

So you would prefer the US have an adversarial relationship with Russia?

We certainly shouldn't have one where half of the government is a lapdog for Russian interests.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

s0nicfan posted...

So you would prefer the US have an adversarial relationship with Russia?

We certainly shouldn't have one where half of the government is a lapdog for Russian interests.

You say that, and yet we're still actively fighting against Assad in Syria. Outside of the non-sanctions against Russia, what actual US actions abroad lead you to believe the US is explicitly pandering to Russian interests?
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