Board 8 > KP'S Top 40 Characters - Featuring Dante From The Devil May Cry Series

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solid snake no thank you
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forgot to mention a great Yosuke moment earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF8o3rhsmbA
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LeonhartFour posted...

forgot to mention a great Yosuke moment earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF8o3rhsmbA

I remember this! It's still perfect. Also reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8fCEyYiRU8
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up
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one more
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Funnily enough last time I made one of these Raiden was my #6 too. Actually mostly agree with the write-up too, with the progression of Raiden's character though I think Revengeance Raiden may have grown on me enough that I actually prefer him to MGS2 Raiden.

I don't know most of your top 10 so not much to comment on. I've always kinda wanted to play SoA but I never got around to it and now I feel like if I went back to it it'd feel dated or something-- hoping for a remake or HD rerelease at some point. Xenoblade I probably will play at some point but my last Nintendo Console owned was the Gamecube sooo...

Snake not so solid a #1 but good character at least. Unlike Phoenix Wright I kinda do understand why I don't like him more and it's not even his fault as much as how the characters around him treat him I think. The amount of hero worship the guy gets is just too much for me. Also for a guy with 180 IQ or whatever he doesn't really come off as very intelligent-- half his dialogue is "what the hell" for crissakes and most of his good ideas come from his codec crew rather than himself. I mean I still like the guy because he just has really likable dialogue and a good VA but yeah I think with a slightly different presentation I would like him a lot more.
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Snake is meant to have a 180 IQ? Riiiight, Kojima.

I agree with you that a bit too much of Snake's dialogue is "huh?", "what the hell?", or simply repeating lines back to someone, but at this point it's become one of those charming points about him so I mostly forgive it. The hero worship thing I can understand you not liking, but personally I really like how it ties into the overarching story. The MGS world deifies all of their big heroes - The Boss, Big Boss, and Solid Snake all get tons of hype from basically everyone, especially Big Boss who is the major comparison point for everyone else in the series. I think it works because you see the different ways that they react to the hero worship. The Boss ignores it. Big Boss accepts it and manipulates it to his own ends (as seen in what he does in MGS5). Solid Snake openly rejects it. It plays into their characters pretty well.

SoA isn't totally dated by this point but it definitely feels like an old kind of JRPG. Xenoblade isn't dated and actually does some things better than open-world games like it that come out currently. Both are playable on the Dolphin with patches (I think SoA actually has a random encounter mod by now and Xenoblade definitely has an HD patch). Wouldn't rely on any rereleases as apparently people in SEGA have been trying to get something SoA-related made for a while but it never gets off the ground.
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Yeah like I said I like Snake I just think if the presentation of the guy matched up a bit better with what you got on screen I'd like him a lot more-- and for the record I prefer the "what the hell?" guy for the story to Benedict Cumberbatch Snake going into all the details of how Vulcan Raven's slight favoring of his left arm causes him to have crummier aim when you dodge his turning arc at a 43 degree angle, so if you're adjusting one it'd be the presentation-- Snake is very good as he is.

So again it's not really on Snake so much-- it's mostly just the world of MGS being very small and self contained where everyone knows everyone and Snake being too high on the fame totem pole there. I think that's a big part of the reason I liked Raiden in MGS2 so much more-- like yeah he's clearly very skilled and treated as though he's competent, but people aren't constantly going the LEGENDARY RAIDEN!?! And he actually never gets to that level, even by the time of Revengeance when he's very clearly a flippy murder ninja of some renown.
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Lopen posted...

but people aren't constantly going the LEGENDARY RAIDEN!?!

ironic coming from a guy who literally has a LegendaryRaiden alt
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It turns out I'm a bit better at irony than Alanis Morissette
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but only a bit
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I'll give this one more bump.

Also I would be all on board for Metal Gear Rising 2 starring ~The Legendary Raiden~
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I guess I should stop my turbo lurking habits to say this was a fucking great topic. I've always found it hard to analyze video game characters compared to characters from other mediums. I wish I could do it as well as you.
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Indeed, this was a fun read, KP. Thanks for all the hard work!
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Wow, thanks for the high praise, guys. Seeing stuff like that always means a lot! Glad you enjoyed it.
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tag

Laphicet was actually my least favorite Berseria party member, haha.
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I should get my ass in gear on the Tales character rankings I've been wanting to do for a while. If this topic is any indication, it'd probably spark a lot of debate.
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Presea > All
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LeonhartFour posted...

Velvet > All

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hey wait a second

that's not what I said
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It should've been, though, because it was much closer to being correct.
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Impromptu top Tales characters list

1. Velvet
2. Yuri
3. Laphicet
4. Eleanor
5. Zelos
6. Eizen
7. Magilou
8. Alvin
9. Estelle
10. Kratos

Something like that.
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I was thinking about trying a top 10 Tales characters and as I was typing it I realized it was just the Berseria cast + Yuri and Rita.

Though I suppose there are a lot of the games I havent played.
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I feel like my lack of fondness for 9S is a big reason Nier Automata didn't quite make it as one of my favorite games. I still liked it a lot, and I can appreciate what they did with 9S in Route C, but I was always disappointed when the game made me play as 9S instead of A2 in Route C, especially since she's so much more fun to play as and could've used more development of her own.
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