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lamegimmickbro
12/10/17 5:55:10 AM
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This guy explains it nicely and refutes every argument made when this subject is brought up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxj9GMrx5Nc

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cjsdowg
12/10/17 5:57:03 AM
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Got bullet points . 10 mins is a long to watch some random vegan .
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ClockworkHare
12/10/17 6:07:36 AM
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"Hey, baby. Wanna come back to my place and have gender?"

Nl1OuyT
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Ricemills
12/10/17 6:17:22 AM
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username checks out.
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lamegimmickbro
12/10/17 7:26:02 AM
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Bump
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Blitz4532
12/10/17 7:32:24 AM
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Dude, post a TLDR, I'm not watching a video that long from some random trying to tell people they're wrong.
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COVxy
12/10/17 8:09:05 AM
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I can't imagine a video more useless than one of a guy narrating their facebook scuffle.
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Delirious_Beard
12/10/17 8:11:34 AM
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This is a lame gimmick bro.
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Hexenherz
12/10/17 8:47:20 AM
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At 47 seconds does he say heathens or vegans...

Yeah I got about 2 minutes in and this is going nowhere fast. If I wanted to see someone complain about transgender issues I'd just come to gamefaqs lol
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fire_bolt
12/10/17 9:48:17 AM
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TL;DW some cis white guy thinks he can dictate other people's emotions and genitals.
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TommyG663513
12/10/17 9:52:37 AM
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fire_bolt posted...
TL;DW some cis white guy thinks he can dictate other people's emotions and genitals.

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Malcolm_McGuffi
12/10/17 10:21:51 AM
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Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.
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lamegimmickbro
12/10/17 10:27:16 AM
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Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.
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KillerKhan420
12/10/17 10:30:32 AM
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lamegimmickbro posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.


No.

You're born with a penis you're a male. You're born with a vagina you're a female. You're born with both you're a hermaphrodite.

After being born nothing can change that. Theyll cut you up and make a mock penis/vagina but that's not changing a damn thing. Bye
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averagejoel
12/10/17 10:39:37 AM
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you can't make me watch that
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fire_bolt
12/10/17 12:58:58 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.


No.

You're born with a penis you're a male. You're born with a vagina you're a female. You're born with both you're a hermaphrodite.

After being born nothing can change that. Theyll cut you up and make a mock penis/vagina but that's not changing a damn thing. Bye


Good job, kid. You've proven you have an adequate grasp of basic biology that even a middle schooler could rattle back. However, the conversation at hand isn't about that at all . Having an X/Y chromosome pair makes you a MALE, but that does not make you a MAN. Likewise, an X/X chromosome pair makes you female, but that does not make you a woman.
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YonicBoom
12/10/17 1:00:42 PM
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I don't like this new style of clickbait where it's just "This guy explains ______ like ______"
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Kaname_Madoka
12/10/17 1:00:53 PM
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I'm not watching a video of some random ranting for 10 whole minutes
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Medussa
12/10/17 1:03:26 PM
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didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.
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nicklebro
12/10/17 1:12:26 PM
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It's true that sex and gender are actually separate things, then problem is that the far left actually tried to claim that there's absolutely no relationship between the two. When 95% (or so, don't nitpick my statistics) of humans born with XY chromosomes identify as make and are attracted to females, it's obvious that gender isn't subjective nor is it a spectrum. It's a bimodal distribution that correlates with your sex, there just happen to be an incredibly small number of outliers and exceptions. I was just verbally bitch slapping this stupid poster yesterday regarding this topic. Dumbass was literally arguing that your gender is subjective and that it should be based on your preference rather than the actual self evident truth. Literally said that we should all be forced to learn the hundred or so fake pronouns that are just made up nonsense, despite the fact that the vast majority of trans people (who are already an incredibly small fraction of the population) prefer the traditional pronouns, just that they'd like to be referred to as the opposite one that they were born with. And when you see how convincing some trans people's transformations are, I think that's totally reasonable.
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MrPeppers
12/10/17 1:14:44 PM
#21:


KillerKhan420 posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.


No.

You're born with a penis you're a male. You're born with a vagina you're a female. You're born with both you're a hermaphrodite.

After being born nothing can change that. Theyll cut you up and make a mock penis/vagina but that's not changing a damn thing. Bye


It's actually a little more nuanced than that...
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lamegimmickbro
12/10/17 1:50:33 PM
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Medussa posted...
didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.


You make no sense. Watch the video and then you'll understand.
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KillerKhan420
12/10/17 2:00:12 PM
#24:


MrPeppers posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.


No.

You're born with a penis you're a male. You're born with a vagina you're a female. You're born with both you're a hermaphrodite.

After being born nothing can change that. Theyll cut you up and make a mock penis/vagina but that's not changing a damn thing. Bye


It's actually a little more nuanced than that...


No, it's not. I don't care how someone feels inside. Go on living in lala land snowflake, I don't care but don't expect me to call you what you want.
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hockeybub89
12/10/17 2:01:20 PM
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MrPeppers
12/10/17 2:08:18 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...

No, it's not. I don't care how someone feels inside. Go on living in lala land snowflake, I don't care but don't expect me to call you what you want.


Explain Turner's syndrome, androgen insensitivity syndrome, Klinefelter's syndrome, de la Chappelle syndrome, Swyer syndrome
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FigureOfSpeech
12/10/17 2:08:24 PM
#27:


lamegimmickbro posted...
Medussa posted...
didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.


You make no sense. Watch the video and then you'll understand.


I watched the video six times. I still disagree with the guy and not even a single detail of an opinion of mine has changed. I just spent <video length x6> minutes of my life doing something that I could have done by not doing the thing (watching the video), so that was time utterly wasted. I wasn't affected by it... not by the <a point the guy made>, the part when he said "<a quote from the video>" or even <something from near the end of the video>. None of it affected me.
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FigureOfSpeech
12/10/17 2:10:23 PM
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MrPeppers posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...

No, it's not. I don't care how someone feels inside. Go on living in lala land snowflake, I don't care but don't expect me to call you what you want.


Explain de la Chappelle syndrome


Certainly. It is the depression that many people felt for up to a few years after Dave Chappelle ended his television series.
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Medussa
12/10/17 2:14:02 PM
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lamegimmickbro posted...
Medussa posted...
didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.


You make no sense. Watch the video and then you'll understand.


nope. you want to debate? use your own words, and your own time.
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lamegimmickbro
12/10/17 2:15:33 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Medussa posted...
didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.


You make no sense. Watch the video and then you'll understand.


I watched the video six times. I still disagree with the guy and not even a single detail of an opinion of mine has changed. I just spent <video length x6> minutes of my life doing something that I could have done by not doing the thing (watching the video), so that was time utterly wasted. I wasn't affected by it... not by the , the part when he said "" or even <something from near the end of the video>. None of it affected me.


We are not talking about what did or did not affect you. If you disagree then please refute his statements or point out the fallacies.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/10/17 2:16:17 PM
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My friend told me today that she thinks I have the heart of a teenage girl.
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The23rdMagus
12/10/17 2:24:34 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
My friend told me today that she thinks I have the heart of a teenage girl.

Where do you keep it?
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FigureOfSpeech
12/10/17 3:03:38 PM
#34:


lamegimmickbro posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Medussa posted...
didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.


You make no sense. Watch the video and then you'll understand.


I watched the video six times. I still disagree with the guy and not even a single detail of an opinion of mine has changed. I just spent <video length x6> minutes of my life doing something that I could have done by not doing the thing (watching the video), so that was time utterly wasted. I wasn't affected by it... not by the , the part when he said "" or even <something from near the end of the video>. None of it affected me.


We are not talking about what did or did not affect you. If you disagree then please refute his statements or point out the fallacies.


<statement that he made> was a fallacy. In reality, <opposite of said statement> is true.

He said at one point "<a quote>" but the content of said quote is not factual.

There was also a lot of misinformation provided when he made that <a topic he discussed> rant, such as <several statements>, which are simply not true.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/10/17 3:04:55 PM
#35:


The23rdMagus posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
My friend told me today that she thinks I have the heart of a teenage girl.

Where do you keep it?

*rim shot*

In a hello kitty sock :P
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MorningRose
12/10/17 3:07:10 PM
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Never change, CE.
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spincr
12/10/17 3:08:29 PM
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Gender is what you are born with, gender fluidity or whatever its called is a mental illness.
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lamegimmickbro
12/10/17 3:15:09 PM
#38:


FigureOfSpeech posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Medussa posted...
didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.


You make no sense. Watch the video and then you'll understand.


I watched the video six times. I still disagree with the guy and not even a single detail of an opinion of mine has changed. I just spent <video length x6> minutes of my life doing something that I could have done by not doing the thing (watching the video), so that was time utterly wasted. I wasn't affected by it... not by the , the part when he said "" or even <something from near the end of the video>. None of it affected me.


We are not talking about what did or did not affect you. If you disagree then please refute his statements or point out the fallacies.


<statement that he made> was a fallacy. In reality, <opposite of said statement> is true.

He said at one point "" but the content of said quote is not factual.

There was also a lot of misinformation provided when he made that rant, such as <several statements>, which are simply not true.


That's no argument.
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the_rowan
12/10/17 3:20:52 PM
#39:


nicklebro posted...
It's true that sex and gender are actually separate things, then problem is that the far left actually tried to claim that there's absolutely no relationship between the two. When 95% (or so, don't nitpick my statistics) of humans born with XY chromosomes identify as make and are attracted to females, it's obvious that gender isn't subjective nor is it a spectrum. It's a bimodal distribution that correlates with your sex, there just happen to be an incredibly small number of outliers and exceptions. I was just verbally bitch slapping this stupid poster yesterday regarding this topic. Dumbass was literally arguing that your gender is subjective and that it should be based on your preference rather than the actual self evident truth. Literally said that we should all be forced to learn the hundred or so fake pronouns that are just made up nonsense, despite the fact that the vast majority of trans people (who are already an incredibly small fraction of the population) prefer the traditional pronouns, just that they'd like to be referred to as the opposite one that they were born with. And when you see how convincing some trans people's transformations are, I think that's totally reasonable.


I agree with most of this, but it only makes sense that it is possible for someone to feel strongly that they are something that is neither entirely a man nor a woman, especially since this also reflects the development of their own brain as seen in studies. I don't at all like the idea that all of society should be made by legal mandate to call someone a word they made up for this, but it does piss me off when people will go out of their way to tell a stranger that it's not possible for them to think this about themselves.
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Ulyanyx
12/10/17 3:20:57 PM
#40:


fire_bolt posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.


No.

You're born with a penis you're a male. You're born with a vagina you're a female. You're born with both you're a hermaphrodite.

After being born nothing can change that. Theyll cut you up and make a mock penis/vagina but that's not changing a damn thing. Bye


Good job, kid. You've proven you have an adequate grasp of basic biology that even a middle schooler could rattle back. However, the conversation at hand isn't about that at all . Having an X/Y chromosome pair makes you a MALE, but that does not make you a MAN. Likewise, an X/X chromosome pair makes you female, but that does not make you a woman.


i am biologically a human, but behaviourally i am a dog, therefore i am not human, because i do not act like one.

a man is a man, a woman is a woman.
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Lugenpresse
12/10/17 3:21:37 PM
#41:


Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.

From a literal standpoint, gender doesn't even exist. Sex is what matters. And there are only males and females, and birth defects in between.
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MrPeppers
12/10/17 3:24:05 PM
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Lugenpresse posted...

From a literal standpoint, gender doesn't even exist. Sex is what matters. And there are only males and females, and birth defects in between.


Right, but the mere existence of these genetic disorders (not even including how external genitalia or secondary sexual characteristics factor into this) should at least be making us question the former of your last sentence.
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lamegimmickbro
12/10/17 3:25:16 PM
#44:


shockthemonkey posted...
Ulyanyx posted...
fire_bolt posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.


No.

You're born with a penis you're a male. You're born with a vagina you're a female. You're born with both you're a hermaphrodite.

After being born nothing can change that. Theyll cut you up and make a mock penis/vagina but that's not changing a damn thing. Bye


Good job, kid. You've proven you have an adequate grasp of basic biology that even a middle schooler could rattle back. However, the conversation at hand isn't about that at all . Having an X/Y chromosome pair makes you a MALE, but that does not make you a MAN. Likewise, an X/X chromosome pair makes you female, but that does not make you a woman.


i am biologically a human, but behaviourally i am a dog, therefore i am not human, because i do not act like one.

a man is a man, a woman is a woman.

Trans people are biologically trans, smart guy


No, they aren't.
transsexual
tranzskl,transskl/
noun
1.
a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex.
"a pre-operative male-to-female transsexual"

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Lugenpresse
12/10/17 3:26:52 PM
#45:


MrPeppers posted...
Lugenpresse posted...

From a literal standpoint, gender doesn't even exist. Sex is what matters. And there are only males and females, and birth defects in between.


Right, but the mere existence of these genetic disorders (not even including how external genitalia or secondary sexual characteristics factor into this) should at least be making us question the former of your last sentence.

Not really. If a human is born with 8 arms, should we consider he might be half spider? Nature isn't perfect. It fucks up sometimes.
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MrPeppers
12/10/17 3:31:53 PM
#46:


Lugenpresse posted...

Not really. If a human is born with 8 arms, should we consider he might be half spider? Nature isn't perfect. It fucks up sometimes.


That's never been described in medical literature, unlike the myriad of syndromes mentioned and ones unmentioned that have a prevalence much higher than 1 in 7 billion.

Ridiculousness of your comparison aside, this is a slightly less concrete concept than number of appendages.
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Lugenpresse
12/10/17 3:34:16 PM
#47:


shockthemonkey posted...
Ulyanyx posted...
fire_bolt posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
Gender is not the same as sex. This has been accepted scientific fact for decades.


Watch the video.


No.

You're born with a penis you're a male. You're born with a vagina you're a female. You're born with both you're a hermaphrodite.

After being born nothing can change that. Theyll cut you up and make a mock penis/vagina but that's not changing a damn thing. Bye


Good job, kid. You've proven you have an adequate grasp of basic biology that even a middle schooler could rattle back. However, the conversation at hand isn't about that at all . Having an X/Y chromosome pair makes you a MALE, but that does not make you a MAN. Likewise, an X/X chromosome pair makes you female, but that does not make you a woman.


i am biologically a human, but behaviourally i am a dog, therefore i am not human, because i do not act like one.

a man is a man, a woman is a woman.

Trans people are biologically trans, smart guy


A trans woman is biologically male with some defect that makes him believe he's female. You don't know if that is there before birth, or after-birth.
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FigureOfSpeech
12/10/17 3:36:06 PM
#48:


lamegimmickbro posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
FigureOfSpeech posted...
lamegimmickbro posted...
Medussa posted...
didn't watch the video; allow me to retort.

if gender and sex are the same, trans people wouldn't exist.
trans people exist.
therefore, sex and gender cannot be the same.


You make no sense. Watch the video and then you'll understand.


I watched the video six times. I still disagree with the guy and not even a single detail of an opinion of mine has changed. I just spent <video length x6> minutes of my life doing something that I could have done by not doing the thing (watching the video), so that was time utterly wasted. I wasn't affected by it... not by the , the part when he said "" or even <something from near the end of the video>. None of it affected me.


We are not talking about what did or did not affect you. If you disagree then please refute his statements or point out the fallacies.


<statement that he made> was a fallacy. In reality, <opposite of said statement> is true.

He said at one point "" but the content of said quote is not factual.

There was also a lot of misinformation provided when he made that rant, such as <several statements>, which are simply not true.


That's no argument.


Yes it is. The video confirms that it is an argument. Skip to #:## of the video. It is confirmed that what I said is indeed an argument when it is stated that <confirmation that what I said is an argument>. It's right there in the video and rofl at you if you can't comprehend this.
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Medussa
12/10/17 3:39:41 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

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