Poll of the Day > MSNBC fires Sam Seder for making a questionable rape joke 8 years ago

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Apparently, it was a smear campaign by some alt-right dude.

https://www.avclub.com/msnbc-cuts-ties-with-sam-seder-after-giving-in-to-alt-1820993790
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And legitimate problems are now being weaponized.

Just what needed to happen for real change /sarcasm.

WTF, MSNBC is taking moderation cues from gamefaqs now?!

Dude insults a criminal and parodies the industry that shields him, and that dude is the only one singled out for punishment. O_O

This shit is getting out of control now

There's no statute of limitations on jokes.
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Further proof that no good ever comes from Twitter and, if you're in the media, you're a colossal moron if you post anything on it.

Also, if this was any "normal" job, you'd be fired in a second for this and that'd be without any "backlash" or smear campaign. All this means is the media world is now working the same as it does for the rest of us.

This is why liberals lose so many elections and get little done when they miraculously do briefly have power.

Media figure makes a sarcastic joke to lampoon his industry's poor handling of sexual assault (as I alluded to earlier w/ the "GFAQS mods", if I actually used the word that rhymes w/ tape in any context, I'd automatically get moderated) and is fired for it. Liberal.

Meanwhile, a guy who commits sexual assault and harassment, on people half his age and many of them minors, doing so while a District Attorney or judge, is about to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Conservative.

The right obviously is way too willing to protect and even celebrate scumbags. But the left also has a problem where they bend like a wet noodle over the most trivial, meaningless bull shit.

This is why liberals lose so many elections and get little done when they miraculously do briefly have power.

Wow, I'm glad you figured it out! A guy getting fired for some stupid joke he made is absolutely 100% the reason why the Liberals struggled last election. Be sure to send an e-mail to Hillary and the gang and let them know about this fatal flaw. They'll turn their entire fortune around based on this very important and heavy analysis. Who would have thought that, out of all the folks paid to analyze this stuff, you would come up with the ONE SINGLE THING that causes all the Liberals problems? What are the odds??

Meanwhile, a guy who commits sexual assault and harassment, on people half his age and many of them minors, doing so while a District Attorney or judge, is about to be elected to the U.S. Senate.

Yes, and this has nothing to do with the fact that one is a normal employee who can be fired at any time and the other is a DA who is elected to the position and can't be fired and has to undergo a long process to be removed. But, you're right...other than that, the two situations are exactly alike.

Also, if you think Liberals don't protect their own from the same allegations, you're either biased or not paying attention.

streamofthesky posted...

This is why liberals lose so many elections and get little done when they miraculously do briefly have power.

Media figure makes a sarcastic joke to lampoon his industry's poor handling of sexual assault (as I alluded to earlier w/ the "GFAQS mods", if I actually used the word that rhymes w/ tape in any context, I'd automatically get moderated) and is fired for it. Liberal.

Meanwhile, a guy who commits sexual assault and harassment, on people half his age and many of them minors, doing so while a District Attorney or judge, is about to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Conservative.

The right obviously is way too willing to protect and even celebrate scumbags. But the left also has a problem where they bend like a wet noodle over the most trivial, meaningless bull shit.

You're so delusional. Plenty of people on the right have had their careers destroyed for sexual misconduct. Hell, look at Herman Cain as a prime example and his wasn't even sexual assault. It was just cheating. You're narrative of everyone on the left being infallible angels and everyone on the right being predatory demons is a little fedora-y tbh

And the dems never protected anyone... Bill Clinton was completely innocent!

streamofthesky posted...

WTF, MSNBC is taking moderation cues from gamefaqs now?!

To be fair, if you're going to live by the Far Left sword, you should probably die by the Far Left sword as well.

Now all we need are some rape allegations to bring down the Young Turks.


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ReggieTheReckless posted...

This shit is getting out of control now

While I don't like Sam Seder, it seems silly to do this now. Plus, while it's nice that he won't be on there, he's going to go *somewhere* else which makes him harder to escape.

Far-Queue posted...

Apparently, it was a smear campaign by some alt-right dude.

Considering he posted what he was accused of posting and got in trouble for posting, I'm not sure how that qualifies as a smear campaign. You can call it other things, but it's not a smear campaign.

streamofthesky posted...

This is why liberals lose so many elections and get little done when they miraculously do briefly have power.

While you've been on a shitposting storm lately, conflating an entertainment celebrity with politicians is a new low. Your comparison is so colossally wrong on so many levels it beggars imagination but, fundamentally speaking, stations tend to be cautious since they're worried about appealing to advertisers who are worried about customers whereas politics cuts through several layers of middle-men.

streamofthesky posted...

Media figure makes a sarcastic joke to lampoon his industry's poor handling of sexual assault (as I alluded to earlier w/ the "GFAQS mods", if I actually used the word that rhymes w/ tape in any context, I'd automatically get moderated) and is fired for it. Liberal.

Apparently in alternative facts land no conservative media figure has ever been fired for a joke or objectionable comment.

streamofthesky posted...

Meanwhile, a guy who commits sexual assault and harassment, on people half his age and many of them minors, doing so while a District Attorney or judge, is about to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Conservative.

Accused. That's one of the big differences. Sam created evidence of his malfeasance whereas Roy's were unprovable accusations. More importantly, given that Bill Clinton *settled* sexual harassment lawsuits and was accused of rape (including a 13 y/o) but elected to the presidency anyway, it pretty much shows that there's no standard in this regard.
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MSNBC has reversed their decision to fire Sam, and he has accepted his position back.
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KJ StErOiDs posted...

MSNBC has reversed their decision to fire Sam, and he has accepted his position back.

Unsurprising for a "news" outlet devoid of any integrity. It's also the only way to make the situation more absurd.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

streamofthesky posted...

WTF, MSNBC is taking moderation cues from gamefaqs now?!

To be fair, if you're going to live by the Far Left sword, you should probably die by the Far Left sword as well.

Now all we need are some rape allegations to bring down the Young Turks.

If Cenk can deny the Armenian Genocide and still be a darling of the left, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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If I were him, I wouldn't accept them rehiring me unless I really felt like I had no other choice. That's some bullshit.

I guess the question is who's next in the celebrity shame pool? I'm thinking something is going to come out on John Oliver or Colbert.
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Zeus posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MSNBC has reversed their decision to fire Sam, and he has accepted his position back.

Unsurprising for a "news" outlet devoid of any integrity. It's also the only way to make the situation more absurd.

if they had no integrity, they wouldn't have realized their mistake and hired him back.

the fact that they realized, "hey, maybe this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and no one should listen to him" is outstanding
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helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MSNBC has reversed their decision to fire Sam, and he has accepted his position back.

Unsurprising for a "news" outlet devoid of any integrity. It's also the only way to make the situation more absurd.

if they had no integrity, they wouldn't have realized their mistake and hired him back.

the fact that they realized, "hey, maybe this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and no one should listen to him" is outstanding

If they had realized "hey, this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and nobody should listen to him" they wouldn't have hired Seder in the first place. Because, you know, it's Sam Seder.

At any rate, it wasn't a mistake. Either they should stuck by their decision -- which was wholly warranted -- or not fired in the first place. As far as integrity goes, what does it say about a news network which caves to firing somebody then caves to bringing somebody back? There's no integrity there. They just go whichever way the wind is blowing. It further exposes them as spineless shits utterly lacking in values and integrity.
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Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MSNBC has reversed their decision to fire Sam, and he has accepted his position back.

Unsurprising for a "news" outlet devoid of any integrity. It's also the only way to make the situation more absurd.

if they had no integrity, they wouldn't have realized their mistake and hired him back.

the fact that they realized, "hey, maybe this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and no one should listen to him" is outstanding

If they had realized "hey, this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and nobody should listen to him" they wouldn't have hired Seder in the first place. Because, you know, it's Sam Seder.

At any rate, it wasn't a mistake. Either they should stuck by their decision -- which was wholly warranted -- or not fired in the first place. As far as integrity goes, what does it say about a news network which caves to firing somebody then caves to bringing somebody back? There's no integrity there. They just go whichever way the wind is blowing. It further exposes them as spineless shits utterly lacking in values and integrity.

You're one of those people who decides something and refuses to change his mind even when proven 100% to be wrong.

Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MSNBC has reversed their decision to fire Sam, and he has accepted his position back.

Unsurprising for a "news" outlet devoid of any integrity. It's also the only way to make the situation more absurd.

if they had no integrity, they wouldn't have realized their mistake and hired him back.

the fact that they realized, "hey, maybe this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and no one should listen to him" is outstanding

If they had realized "hey, this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and nobody should listen to him" they wouldn't have hired Seder in the first place. Because, you know, it's Sam Seder.

At any rate, it wasn't a mistake. Either they should stuck by their decision -- which was wholly warranted -- or not fired in the first place. As far as integrity goes, what does it say about a news network which caves to firing somebody then caves to bringing somebody back? There's no integrity there. They just go whichever way the wind is blowing. It further exposes them as spineless shits utterly lacking in values and integrity.

helly wasn't agreeing with ya you old fart.
BlackScythe0 posted...

You're one of those people who decides something and refuses to change his mind even when proven 100% to be wrong.

Zeus is goin on 60 y/o childless. Racism w/ splash of bigotry's all he's got goin.
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*Was taken out of context
*Was hired
*Was re-hired

Let me sit here and decide what to argue about.

streamofthesky posted...

This is why liberals lose so many elections and get little done when they miraculously do briefly have power.

Democrats (not Liberals) lose elections because the DNC is corrupt as fuck, and only a select few actually support Democratic policies outside of occasionally stopping whatever evil plan the Republicans like to cook up every now and then. I don't think it has anything to do with Liberal stereotypes or personality flaws.

Sam whatsisface can have his worthless job for all I care.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

MSNBC has reversed their decision to fire Sam, and he has accepted his position back.

Unsurprising for a "news" outlet devoid of any integrity. It's also the only way to make the situation more absurd.

if they had no integrity, they wouldn't have realized their mistake and hired him back.

the fact that they realized, "hey, maybe this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and no one should listen to him" is outstanding

If they had realized "hey, this dude is actually just a giant fucking troll and nobody should listen to him" they wouldn't have hired Seder in the first place. Because, you know, it's Sam Seder.

At any rate, it wasn't a mistake. Either they should stuck by their decision -- which was wholly warranted -- or not fired in the first place. As far as integrity goes, what does it say about a news network which caves to firing somebody then caves to bringing somebody back? There's no integrity there. They just go whichever way the wind is blowing. It further exposes them as spineless shits utterly lacking in values and integrity.

You're one of those people who decides something and refuses to change his mind even when proven 100% to be wrong.

A ridiculous accusation which probably would mean more coming from somebody else. More importantly, in what way do you erroneously believe me to be proven wrong? Did Sam Seder not make the joke? Did MSNBC not choose to fire him over the joke then decide to bring him back? And, if we're tossing across character criticisms, I should point out that you have an irrational tendency to defend media outlets which support your worldview against and any observations of fault while hypocritically disparaging these same traits in other outlets. Perhaps if you spent less energy defending media which support your views and more time questioning those views, you'd arrive at more reasonable conclusions.
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Zeus posted...

A ridiculous accusation which probably would mean more coming from somebody else. More importantly, in what way do you erroneously believe me to be proven wrong? Did Sam Seder not make the joke? Did MSNBC not choose to fire him over the joke then decide to bring him back?

You mean did they change their minds with context?

BlackScythe0 posted...

Zeus posted...

A ridiculous accusation which probably would mean more coming from somebody else. More importantly, in what way do you erroneously believe me to be proven wrong? Did Sam Seder not make the joke? Did MSNBC not choose to fire him over the joke then decide to bring him back?

You mean did they change their minds with context?

You're playing at some Olympics-level mental gymnastics here. The fact remains as I said it: Either they shouldn't have fired him or they shouldn't have brought him back. No matter how hard you try to spin this, neither scenario demonstrates anything good about the company and both cases demonstrate their want of character.

Honestly, your assertion in totally absurd is general. You're pushing the idea that a terrible remark only matters if the right person calls it out. And that's completely in keeping with my previous complaints about a lack of integrity.
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I don't even know what people are arguing about this time.
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Zeus posted...

which was wholly warranted

explain how it was wholly warranted.

because at this point, i'm pretty sure you got some people confused.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

helly wasn't agreeing with ya you old fart.

correct.

the ONLY reason sam was fired because of his joke, was because of one hypocritical man. it's literally all explained in the article, but zeus has a record of not actually reading the articles.
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helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

which was wholly warranted

explain how it was wholly warranted.

because at this point, i'm pretty sure you got some people confused.

Based solely on the offensive nature of the joke and internal guidelines at the company, which is all you need to justify an action. Doubly so since in this case it was less a "firing" as it was a non-renewal of contract. And, in case you missed it, even the AV Club's propaganda piece spells out the situation:

Because of this eight-year-old dig at the film industrys moralsand the fact that internally there was disgust over the tweet, as a source tells The WrapSeders contract with the network will not be renewed.

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yeah that doesn't mean anything, nor explain anything that should or should not have been warranted.

anyone can be disgusted over literally anything

what else do you have
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helIy posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

helly wasn't agreeing with ya you old fart.

correct.

the ONLY reason sam was fired because of his joke, was because of one hypocritical man. it's literally all explained in the article, but zeus has a record of not actually reading the articles.

I think I credit you too much intelligence if you bought into what that ignored troll tried to claim. I'm not sure if he was actually oblivious or merely playing oblivious, but you have less of an excuse to do the same.
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...of course i bought into what he said, because it's about me and what i said, you cucumber

i did not agree with you in the slightest
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helIy posted...

yeah that doesn't mean anything, nor explain anything that should or should not have been warranted.

What the fuck are you talking about? That's been enough to get people fired almost anywhere. There's no real defense to it. The idea that the joke is horrible but the message is good isn't really a defense. And if you're basing your decision solely on whether you think it might have offended somebody else rather than does it conflict with your values, you have no integrity. And if you preemptively cut ties with somebody only to quickly learn you were misinformed on a key point, you've acted very stupidly and unprofessionally on top of it. Like I said, MSNBC looks whichever way the wind is blowing. They have no integrity.
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helIy posted...

...of course i bought into what he said, because it's about me and what i said, you cucumber

i did not agree with you in the slightest

Are you actually going make me spell things out for you because you still don't get it?
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streamofthesky posted...

The right obviously is way too willing to protect and even celebrate scumbags. But the left also has a problem where they bend like a wet noodle over the most trivial, meaningless bull shit.

So, you've never heard of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, John Conyers, Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Woody Allan...
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

The right obviously is way too willing to protect and even celebrate scumbags. But the left also has a problem where they bend like a wet noodle over the most trivial, meaningless bull shit.

So, you've never heard of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, John Conyers, Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Woody Allan...

To be fair, Al Franken did finally resign (unless he's taking back his resignation after being inspired by MSNBC's example) and Weinstein isn't being protected any more (and technically Weiner isn't really protected any more either, although the fact he was continually shielded by the left facilitated the worst of his behavior).
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Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Apparently, it was a smear campaign by some alt-right dude.

Considering he posted what he was accused of posting and got in trouble for posting, I'm not sure how that qualifies as a smear campaign. You can call it other things, but it's not a smear campaign.

Yeah, of course Seder said what he said, no one is denying that. Not even Seder.

But its an 8 year-old tweet dug up by the same alt-right dude that kicked off that whole Pizzagate farce that ended up getting a pizza joint shot up by some other alt-right lunatic. Not exactly a coincidence.
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Zeus posted...

Metal_Mario99 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

The right obviously is way too willing to protect and even celebrate scumbags. But the left also has a problem where they bend like a wet noodle over the most trivial, meaningless bull shit.

So, you've never heard of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, John Conyers, Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Woody Allan...

To be fair, Al Franken did finally resign (unless he's taking back his resignation after being inspired by MSNBC's example) and Weinstein isn't being protected any more (and technically Weiner isn't really protected any more either, although the fact he was continually shielded by the left facilitated the worst of his behavior).

What would Al Franken be inspired by? Taking a step back would pretty much remove all moral superiority democrats currently wield over republicans.

Zeus posted...

Metal_Mario99 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

The right obviously is way too willing to protect and even celebrate scumbags. But the left also has a problem where they bend like a wet noodle over the most trivial, meaningless bull shit.

So, you've never heard of Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, John Conyers, Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Woody Allan...

To be fair, Al Franken did finally resign (unless he's taking back his resignation after being inspired by MSNBC's example) and Weinstein isn't being protected any more (and technically Weiner isn't really protected any more either, although the fact he was continually shielded by the left facilitated the worst of his behavior).

But they were protected for decades, is my point.
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Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

...of course i bought into what he said, because it's about me and what i said, you cucumber

i did not agree with you in the slightest

Are you actually going make me spell things out for you because you still don't get it?

At this point it's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about and are just throwing things out there in the hope that it'll stick
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omg what a white nationalist nazi alt right trump supporter!!
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Far-Queue posted...

Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Apparently, it was a smear campaign by some alt-right dude.

Considering he posted what he was accused of posting and got in trouble for posting, I'm not sure how that qualifies as a smear campaign. You can call it other things, but it's not a smear campaign.

Yeah, of course Seder said what he said, no one is denying that. Not even Seder.

But its an 8 year-old tweet dug up by the same alt-right dude that kicked off that whole Pizzagate farce that ended up getting a pizza joint shot up by some other alt-right lunatic. Not exactly a coincidence.

yeah totally! pizzagate was fake! darn crazy alt right guys!!! thats all it is
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helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

...of course i bought into what he said, because it's about me and what i said, you cucumber

i did not agree with you in the slightest

Are you actually going make me spell things out for you because you still don't get it?

At this point it's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about and are just throwing things out there in the hope that it'll stick

He's the homeless man, masturbating on a street corner, screaming about Hillary, ok?
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Far-Queue posted...

Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Apparently, it was a smear campaign by some alt-right dude.

Considering he posted what he was accused of posting and got in trouble for posting, I'm not sure how that qualifies as a smear campaign. You can call it other things, but it's not a smear campaign.

Yeah, of course Seder said what he said, no one is denying that. Not even Seder.

But its an 8 year-old tweet dug up by the same alt-right dude that kicked off that whole Pizzagate farce that ended up getting a pizza joint shot up by some other alt-right lunatic. Not exactly a coincidence.

Which, again, is solely defending the remark based on the person calling it out which is a weak defense. More importantly, old content getting called out years later *routinely* happens and you do see repercussions for it.

BlackScythe0 posted...

What would Al Franken be inspired by? Taking a step back would pretty much remove all moral superiority democrats currently wield over republicans.

helIy posted...

Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

...of course i bought into what he said, because it's about me and what i said, you cucumber

i did not agree with you in the slightest

Are you actually going make me spell things out for you because you still don't get it?

At this point it's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about and are just throwing things out there in the hope that it'll stick

Are you saying that you need me to explain what happened because you truly don't get it and aren't merely just trying to troll me by pretending you don't understand it? (And, if you actually didn't get understand, it would be very weird.)
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Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Apparently, it was a smear campaign by some alt-right dude.

Considering he posted what he was accused of posting and got in trouble for posting, I'm not sure how that qualifies as a smear campaign. You can call it other things, but it's not a smear campaign.

Yeah, of course Seder said what he said, no one is denying that. Not even Seder.

But its an 8 year-old tweet dug up by the same alt-right dude that kicked off that whole Pizzagate farce that ended up getting a pizza joint shot up by some other alt-right lunatic. Not exactly a coincidence.

Which, again, is solely defending the remark based on the person calling it out which is a weak defense. More importantly, old content getting called out years later *routinely* happens and you do see repercussions for it.

When the dude that does the digging is actively searching for things to get other people in trouble, that's pretty much the definition of a smear campaign. He did not just passively stumble on to an 8 year-old tweet from someone he dislikes.
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Far-Queue posted...

Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Zeus posted...

Far-Queue posted...

Apparently, it was a smear campaign by some alt-right dude.

Considering he posted what he was accused of posting and got in trouble for posting, I'm not sure how that qualifies as a smear campaign. You can call it other things, but it's not a smear campaign.

Yeah, of course Seder said what he said, no one is denying that. Not even Seder.

But its an 8 year-old tweet dug up by the same alt-right dude that kicked off that whole Pizzagate farce that ended up getting a pizza joint shot up by some other alt-right lunatic. Not exactly a coincidence.

Which, again, is solely defending the remark based on the person calling it out which is a weak defense. More importantly, old content getting called out years later *routinely* happens and you do see repercussions for it.

When the dude that does the digging is actively searching for things to get other people in trouble, that's pretty much the definition of a smear campaign. He did not just passively stumble on to an 8 year-old tweet from someone he dislikes.

That's not how smear campaigns work and, more importantly, somebody digging through old content for something is how most new controversies based around old shit get started.
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Thats literally how smear campaigns work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smear_campaign

A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's or group's reputation, credibility, and character.

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streamofthesky posted...

WTF, MSNBC is taking moderation cues from gamefaqs now?!

Dude insults a criminal and parodies the industry that shields him, and that dude is the only one singled out for punishment. O_O

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Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

helly wasn't agreeing with ya you old fart.

correct.

the ONLY reason sam was fired because of his joke, was because of one hypocritical man. it's literally all explained in the article, but zeus has a record of not actually reading the articles.

I think I credit you too much intelligence if you bought into what that ignored troll tried to claim. I'm not sure if he was actually oblivious or merely playing oblivious, but you have less of an excuse to do the same.

Lol God damn. Can ya ever have a rebuttal based on data? Instead of canned opinions from some dude with dementia.
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Far-Queue posted...

Thats literally how smear campaigns work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smear_campaign

A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's or group's reputation, credibility, and character.

By that definition, journalism or any criticism at all would fall under the auspices of a smear campaign.
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Reporting facts from current events, or even investigative journalism into something that happened in the past, is not at all the same as digging up a tweet from nearly a decade ago in order to malign someone or some entity.

Context, Zeus. Context.
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