Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 425: Am I fucking going over?

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Why did nobody give us a resolution on the women's match?

Regardless of how this ends, the Miz has looked great here against the golden boy
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Regardless of how this ends, the Miz has looked great here against the golden boy

Absoltely.

Grand Slam for Roman.

Now Rollins just need the IC and all will have a Grand Slam.

That was a fun match for two guys the internet fans but I have to say It was going fine without these interferences, why add them? Just so Dean and Seth could be there?
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PPV quality match, good job on both guys

And uh, Roman hasnt been Universal champ yet so its not the only one that he hasnt had, or am I completely blanking
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I really really think they changed course with Roman and Brock.

(Unless they want him to win both belts....)

Even if it's a cheap loss, there just isn't any reason whatsoever after you've protected him this much for a year you would have Roman lose a match before beating Brock...

ScareChan posted...

PPV quality match, good job on both guys

And uh, Roman hasnt been Universal champ yet so its not the only one that he hasnt had, or am I completely blanking

He still has a main event, 2 secondary/tertiary and a tag team. That's a Grand Slam even without the Universal

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

I really really think they changed course with Roman and Brock.

(Unless they want him to win both belts....)

Even if it's a cheap loss, there just isn't any reason whatsoever after you've protected him this much for a year you would have Roman lose a match before beating Brock...

This is my hope. Maybe it'll end up being Strowman after all, but then Trips would have to step aside. I doubt he'd consider Jason Jordon a worthy Mania opponent.
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Remember when secondary titles were around to help put over new talent?

Me neither.

Granted, Roman having it is no different than Miz having it, honestly. It just feels wasted on them. Give it to some lower card guy so they can get a little exposure.
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SSJBGenkiDama posted...

ScareChan posted...

PPV quality match, good job on both guys

And uh, Roman hasnt been Universal champ yet so its not the only one that he hasnt had, or am I completely blanking

He still has a main event, 2 secondary/tertiary and a tag team. That's a Grand Slam even without the Universal

No, I mean they kept saying its the one title that has elluded him, so I was talking more about the commentary. Its kind of burying your top title
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In a perfect world, Roman would somehow drop it to Elias.

Like, Elias would be the perfect IC champ right now.
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Elias would be a good choice, yeah. I'd give it to heel Jason Jordan too, actually.

But I think another reason it hurts is that it doesn't give these lowercard guys anything to fight for since creative can't make any decent feuds with them.
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ScareChan posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

ScareChan posted...

PPV quality match, good job on both guys

And uh, Roman hasnt been Universal champ yet so its not the only one that he hasnt had, or am I completely blanking

He still has a main event, 2 secondary/tertiary and a tag team. That's a Grand Slam even without the Universal

No, I mean they kept saying its the one title that has elluded him, so I was talking more about the commentary. Its kind of burying your top title

Cole is an idiot....

TheRock1525 posted...

In a perfect world, Roman would somehow drop it to Elias.

Like, Elias would be the perfect IC champ right now.

Yeah... at Mania...

Let's not take the damn belt off him till Mania or after. Thx

Hope Owens and Zayn beat the Usos so Owens can get the Grand Slam
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hope Owens and Zayn beat the Usos so Owens can get the Grand Slam

AT Starrcade?

By the way, do we think any Titles are changing hands at Starrcade?

Its not on the Network as of now right?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Its not on the Network as of now right?

Correct.

Sorry to anyone who has mwc blocked
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Which is why fans are way more interested in seeing how this plays out for the next three months. Does Reigns have an IC title match at the Rumble? Is he dropping there or on TV? There are a lot of variables to get to AJ vs. Nakamura.
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I dont really see any direction for the SD Tag titles either way so sure, have them win it at Starrcade
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Which is why fans are way more interested in seeing how this plays out for the next three months. Does Reigns have an IC title match at the Rumble? Is he dropping there or on TV? There are a lot of variables to get to AJ vs. Nakamura.

He's not dropping it. (Unless he forfeits it)

It's either gonna be Champ vs Champ or Braun vs Lesnar.

If it is Lesnar vs Roman he will not lose a single match till Mania

Jakyl25 posted...

I dont really see any direction for the SD Tag titles either way so sure, have them win it at Starrcade

I mean. I don't see a Negative.

Gets the Starrcade thing over, so maybe they start doing it yearly, and reminds people these Belts change hands on house shows. Give us your money please.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Elias would be a good choice, yeah. I'd give it to heel Jason Jordan too, actually.

But I think another reason it hurts is that it doesn't give these lowercard guys anything to fight for since creative can't make any decent feuds with them.

You mean JJ throwing fruit at Elias wasn't the brilliant story-telling we needed?
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I just wanna say how dumb it is to have a PPV called Clash of the Champions right after a PPV that was structured around clashes of champions
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TheRock1525 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Elias would be a good choice, yeah. I'd give it to heel Jason Jordan too, actually.

But I think another reason it hurts is that it doesn't give these lowercard guys anything to fight for since creative can't make any decent feuds with them.

You mean JJ throwing fruit at Elias wasn't the brilliant story-telling we needed?

I mean, we make fun of it, but Edge and Booker Mania'd over a Japanese shampoo commercial. So what?

Just give me ANYTHING, any story at all for the lower and midcarders. I'd rather have Mania events over Japan than what we have now. Nothing, no stories, no personality.

Jakyl25 posted...

I just wanna say how dumb it is to have a PPV called Clash of the Champions right after a PPV that was structured around clashes of champions

Cole is an idiot
Vince is an idiot.
Steph is an idiot.
Dunn is an idiot.

I feel this shouod just maybe be my sig

The Unique PPV main event winners streak has started up again, with a really strange 4 in a row

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman

I doubt it will catch the last one
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Jakyl25 posted...

The Unique PPV main event winners streak has started up again, with a really strange 4 in a row

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman

I doubt it will catch the last one

You should be lamenting the death of Owens' PPV streak.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

The Unique PPV main event winners streak has started up again, with a really strange 4 in a row

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman

I doubt it will catch the last one

You should be lamenting the death of Owens' PPV streak.

There are no significant PPV streaks in the brand split era.
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Jakyl25 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

The Unique PPV main event winners streak has started up again, with a really strange 4 in a row

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman

I doubt it will catch the last one

You should be lamenting the death of Owens' PPV streak.

There are no significant PPV streaks in the brand split era.

I disagree, and I've seen websites continue counting Owens streak based on the splits, i.e. any ppvs he should be participating on, he was.
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With Reigns' IC title win last night, the annual streak of first-time-IC champions remains alive, a streak that's lasted over 30 years now.

1986 - Randy Savage
1987 - Ricky Steamboat, Honky Tonk Man
1988 - Ultimate Warrior
1989 - Rick Rude
1990 - Mr. Perfect, Texas Tornado
1991 - Bret Hart
1992 - The Mountie, Roddy Piper, British Bulldog, Shawn Michaels
1993 - Marty Jannetty, Razor Ramon
1994 - Diesel
1995 - Jeff Jarrett, Dean Douglas
1996 - Goldust, Ahmed Johnson, Marc Mero, Triple H
1997 - The Rock, Owen Hart, Stone Cold Steve Austin
1998 - Ken Shamrock
1999 - Val Venis, Road Dogg, The Godfather, Edge, D'Lo Brown, Chyna, Chris Jericho
2000 - Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Rikishi, Eddie Guerrero, Billy Gunn
2001 - Jeff Hardy, Kane, Albert, Lance Storm, Christian, Test
2002 - William Regal, Rob Van Dam
2003 - Booker T, Randy Orton
2004 - Shelton Benjamin
2005 - Carlito, Ric Flair
2006 - John Morrison
2007 - Umaga, Santino Marella
2008 - Kofi Kingston
2009 - CM Punk, JBL, Rey Mysterio, Drew McIntyre
2010 - Dolph Ziggler
2011 - Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Cody Rhodes
2012 - Big Show, The Miz
2013 - Curtis Axel, Big E
2014 - Luke Harper
2015 - Daniel Bryan, Ryback, Kevin Owens, Dean Ambrose
2016 - Zack Ryder
2017 - Roman Reigns
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Yay Roman.

Also there are tons of ways to get the belt off him before Mania and keep him strong.

Multi man match
Brockterference
A taser
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Just watched the Paige return on YouTube. Whose fucking idea was it to bring up Sonya DeVille and Mandy Rose already? They seemed so lost out there. Like, they're probably greener than everyone down there except for Aaliyah who is hopeless. Why would you not keep them down there for longer? I mean, this may work out after months of this if they pick up a lot from working every night with Paige, Bayley, and Sasha, but man. I don't get this.
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For the first time in months, I legitimately ENJOYED RAW from start to finish.
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

With Reigns' IC title win last night, the annual streak of first-time-IC champions remains alive, a streak that's lasted over 30 years now.

1986 - Randy Savage
1987 - Ricky Steamboat, Honky Tonk Man
1988 - Ultimate Warrior
1989 - Rick Rude
1990 - Mr. Perfect, Texas Tornado
1991 - Bret Hart
1992 - The Mountie, Roddy Piper, British Bulldog, Shawn Michaels
1993 - Marty Jannetty, Razor Ramon
1994 - Diesel
1995 - Jeff Jarrett, Dean Douglas
1996 - Goldust, Ahmed Johnson, Marc Mero, Triple H
1997 - The Rock, Owen Hart, Stone Cold Steve Austin
1998 - Ken Shamrock
1999 - Val Venis, Road Dogg, The Godfather, Edge, D'Lo Brown, Chyna, Chris Jericho
2000 - Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Rikishi, Eddie Guerrero, Billy Gunn
2001 - Jeff Hardy, Kane, Albert, Lance Storm, Christian, Test
2002 - William Regal, Rob Van Dam
2003 - Booker T, Randy Orton
2004 - Shelton Benjamin
2005 - Carlito, Ric Flair
2006 - John Morrison
2007 - Umaga, Santino Marella
2008 - Kofi Kingston
2009 - CM Punk, JBL, Rey Mysterio, Drew McIntyre
2010 - Dolph Ziggler
2011 - Wade Barrett, Ezekiel Jackson, Cody Rhodes
2012 - Big Show, The Miz
2013 - Curtis Axel, Big E
2014 - Luke Harper
2015 - Daniel Bryan, Ryback, Kevin Owens, Dean Ambrose
2016 - Zack Ryder
2017 - Roman Reigns

Back in the day, World title went to the best guy on the stick, IC title went to the Workhorse.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Remember when secondary titles were around to help put over new talent?

Me neither.

Granted, Roman having it is no different than Miz having it, honestly. It just feels wasted on them. Give it to some lower card guy so they can get a little exposure.

Can't always have it on a lower card guy to elevate them. Then the belt loses its feel of being a championship and it stops elevating people because everyone will figure out it's just the push belt, aka "now that you have this, it's obvious to everyone that you're actually gonna be a world championship contender someday."

Sometimes you gotta put that championship on someone already established, because it will become a more important title. Then when one of those lower card guys gets the belt, he joins the ranks of some really great pro wrestlers and THEN he can be elevated.

I understand that it's been a while since it's been on one of those lower card guys, maybe close to two years at this point, and that it should be put on someone that needs it more than Reigns or Miz. But just keep in mind that this will probably help the belt and make it feel even more important as a championship when they eventually do take it off the guys that are already established.
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I'm sure it'll be just as important as when Roman was the US champion.
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Solioxrz362 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Remember when secondary titles were around to help put over new talent?

Me neither.

Granted, Roman having it is no different than Miz having it, honestly. It just feels wasted on them. Give it to some lower card guy so they can get a little exposure.

Can't always have it on a lower card guy to elevate them. Then the belt loses its feel of being a championship and it stops elevating people because everyone will figure out it's just the push belt, aka "now that you have this, it's obvious to everyone that you're actually gonna be a world championship contender someday."

Sometimes you gotta put that championship on someone already established, because it will become a more important title. Then when one of those lower card guys gets the belt, he joins the ranks of some really great pro wrestlers and THEN he can be elevated.

I understand that it's been a while since it's been on one of those lower card guys, maybe close to two years at this point, and that it should be put on someone that needs it more than Reigns or Miz. But just keep in mind that this will probably help the belt and make it feel even more important as a championship when they eventually do take it off the guys that are already established.

This. Miz harping on about making it a big deal loses impact if Apollo Crews is coming after it. But if he insists it's a big deal, and then somebody like Reigns actually wants it? It builds it up more.

Now, they obviously need to use it to elevate somebody pretty soon, but this was a good call.
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RPGlord95 posted...

Yay Roman.

Also there are tons of ways to get the belt off him before Mania and keep him strong.

Multi man match
Brockterference
A taser

All of those are losses.... protected or not.

Roman having it makes it easier to transition to another heel.

Here is the more important question, what happens now with the Miz??
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A belt that jobbers squabble over is just a belt that jobbers squabble over. That said, I do prefer titles providing the general framework of the federation
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SSJBGenkiDama posted...

RPGlord95 posted...

Yay Roman.

Also there are tons of ways to get the belt off him before Mania and keep him strong.

Multi man match
Brockterference
A taser

All of those are losses.... protected or not.

They've only done this one other time that I know of, which was when Cena was US champ preparing to face JBL at WrestleMania 21. JBL interferes and costs Cena the US title against Orlando Jordan (who aside from a somewhat catchy entrance theme was dull as fuck his entire career), then Cena goes on to beat JBL clean in less than 10 minutes at Mania.
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neonreaper posted...

A belt that jobbers squabble over is just a belt that jobbers squabble over. That said, I do prefer titles providing the general framework of the federation

It's not hard to have someone like Edge, RVD, Kane, Booker T, Jericho, etc fight for the belt. Upper carders... Then you occasionally put it on a Warrior or Reigns or Triple H, and the belt looks like it matters. Cause it does.

TBF, It DID matter during HHH's 2001 reign during his matches w/ Jeff and Y2J then after Kane and Albert got their hands on it not long after it sort of lost prestige a bit.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

The Unique PPV main event winners streak has started up again, with a really strange 4 in a row

Lesnar
Owens
Rollins/Ambrose/Angle
Triple H/Strowman

I doubt it will catch the last one

You should be lamenting the death of Owens' PPV streak.

There are no significant PPV streaks in the brand split era.

I disagree, and I've seen websites continue counting Owens streak based on the splits, i.e. any ppvs he should be participating on, he was.

When you have stuff like AJ Styles showing up to wrestle at a Raw PPV, it kills the entire idea IMO

That being said, because of that appearance, AJ should be on a legit 5-PPV streak after the Rumble which in this era is impressive
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