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Nearly one in four troops polled say they have seen examples of white nationalism among their fellow service members, and troops rate it as a larger national security threat than Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new Military Times poll.

The troops were surveyed about one month after white supremacist groups and counter-protesters clashed in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Critics of Trump have accused him of emboldening groups who wish to discriminate against minorities, through both his public comments and policies.

Trump has said he opposes racism in all forms.

In the wake of the Charlottesville riot, senior military leaders repeatedly emphasized that threats or discrimination against minorities is against service values. The Military Times poll findings show that the armed forces arent exempt from the debate.

Concerns about white nationalist groups were more pronounced among minorities in the ranks. Nearly 42 percent of non-white troops who responded to the survey said they have personally experienced examples of white nationalism in the military, versus about 18 percent of white service members.

When asked whether white nationalists pose a threat to national security, 30 percent of respondents labeled it a significant danger, more than many international hot spots, like Syria (27 percent), Pakistan (25 percent), Afghanistan (22 percent) and Iraq (17 percent).

But a notable number of poll participants also bristled at the assertion that white power ideology is a real problem.

Nearly five percent of those polled left comments complaining that groups like Black Lives Matter whose stated goal is to raise awareness of violence and discrimination towards black people werent included among the options for threats to national security.

The poll did include unspecified U.S. protest movements and civil disobedience among the potential threats to America. But respondents concerns about those issues fell well short of the perceived white nationalist threat.

Singling out white supremacist groups irritated some of the troops surveyed.

White nationalism is not a terrorist organization, wrote one Navy commander, who declined to give his name.

You do realize white nationalists and racists are two totally different types of people? wrote another anonymous Air Force staff sergeant. [Antifar's note: what is it with right wingers and pedantry?]

More than 60 percent of troops who took the survey said they would support activating the National Guard or reserves to handle civil unrest arising from white nationalist activities like the Charlottesville event. In Charlottesville in August, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency and activated the Virginia National Guard to help with crowd control and to deter violence.

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What is "white nationalism" in this context, since the article explicitly separates it and white supremacism?
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What the actual fuck? Like, at what point where people like, "Gee, Nazis don't seem so bad, let's give them another shot". It's almost worse because these people have literally over 70 years of evidence showing them why Nazism is inherently evil. Fuck Nazis.

s0nicfan posted...

What is "white nationalism" in this context, since the article explicitly separates it and white supremacism?

I think you could read the article as using those terms fairly interchangeably.

"White nationalist" is generally seen as a tamer, more palatable term than "white supremacist," because in theory I guess one's belief in the necessity of nations exclusively for white people is not indicative of one's beliefs on the superiority of white people. There are definitely people who bristle at the latter label while accepting the former, but to seem extent I think that's just PR.
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Dash_Harber posted...

What the actual fuck? Like, at what point where people like, "Gee, Nazis don't seem so bad, let's give them another shot". It's almost worse because these people have literally over 70 years of evidence showing them why Nazism is inherently evil. Fuck Nazis.

It's the same with communism.
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MakoReizei posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

What the actual fuck? Like, at what point where people like, "Gee, Nazis don't seem so bad, let's give them another shot". It's almost worse because these people have literally over 70 years of evidence showing them why Nazism is inherently evil. Fuck Nazis.

It's the same with communism.

I was going to predict that someone would try to deflect with this. I should have written it down.

Many Communist countries were/are 'evil'. However, the actual doctrine doesn't contain anything nearly as detestable as Nazism.

Antifar posted...

s0nicfan posted...

What is "white nationalism" in this context, since the article explicitly separates it and white supremacism?

I think you could read the article as using those terms fairly interchangeably.

"White nationalist" is generally seen as a tamer, more palatable term than "white supremacist," because in theory I guess one's belief in the necessity of nations exclusively for white people is not indicative of one's beliefs on the superiority of white people. There are definitely people who bristle at the latter label while accepting the former, but to seem extent I think that's just PR.

IMO you nailed it for a big portion. In my experemice from both the "white nationalist" I know as well as the flat out racist I unfortunately know it comes down to two groups (with different subsets of course). The first as you described and the second that are all about this "western supremacy" mindset that talk about culture and defend it with other races/religions/cultures having their own places without complaint.

Some make some decent arguments if a little distorted but most seem to just parrot what they here or use it to justify being a dick (if I'm being honest).
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Ive been in the military for 6 years now, I wouldnt say its a problem that Ive noticed or heard from anyone who has ACTUALLY BEEN IN notice either.

At least not in the Marine Corps. Im positive theres been isolated cases though for sure.
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