Current Events > So what's the verdict on Shadow of War?

Topic List
Page List: 1
Jabodie
10/23/17 6:55:08 PM
#1:


Thinking about picking it up when I get paid next week.

Enjoyed the first one well enough. Want some opinions on the lootboxes.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 6:55:35 PM
#2:


It's great. Lootboxes are entirely unnecessary.
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander
10/23/17 6:58:15 PM
#3:


What I've read / heard so far:

-Nemesis system changes and improvements are great
-Story is fucking awful
-Main character still sucks
-There's a crappy end game grind if you don't pay money
---
The Legend is True!
... Copied to Clipboard!
#4
Post #4 was unavailable or deleted.
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 6:59:22 PM
#5:


The endgame really isn't even affected by lootboxes, you've got to do the same shit whether you pay for anything or not
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Swagnificent119
10/23/17 7:01:53 PM
#6:


The Loot Box problem was extremely over exaggerated. Your unlockables from the lootboxes are level locked so you can't actually "pay to win" or really get any advantage from it.

From what I heard, a lot of stuff being locked behind the 100 dollar "gold edition" is far more of an insult than any of the microtransactions.

But it's basically a better Shadow of Mordor.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Back_Stabbath
10/23/17 7:04:33 PM
#7:


It's awesome man. I lose so many hours going around recruiting captains and warlords. The nemesis system has been tuned big time and is amazing. microtransaction fiasco was a troll plot because people just like watching games they don't like fail, they really have little to no bearing on the game. If you liked the first, you'll love the second. The story is actually pretty neat imo, the games BIGGEST problem for me is that talion is still a dull protagonist.

and the lore doesn't mean shit when it's a what if scenario. don't expect a story that fits neatly into established LoTR lore, that's not what they were going for.
---
sigless
... Copied to Clipboard!
wolverinev2
10/23/17 7:06:00 PM
#8:


The end game thing only takes like an extra 4-6 hours of gameplay.

So far, I'm enjoying it but it's not a game I could see myself binging on.It's great, but after awhile, you can get tired of the ambushes, the orcs and the grind.

The Nemesis system is improved, but it really works wonders on Nemesis difficulty. Like you'll encounter a guy who becomes enraged by EVERYTHING and will end up adapting to EVERYTHING you throw at him.

I would also suggest kind of avoiding the fight pits if you can. They're great when they work, but I've had Orcs who could have easily won if they didn't stand their dazed and getting their head bashed in nonstop.
---
It's far better to be alive than to be dead
... Copied to Clipboard!
Back_Stabbath
10/23/17 7:08:32 PM
#9:


wolverinev2 posted...
The end game thing only takes like an extra 4-6 hours of gameplay.

So far, I'm enjoying it but it's not a game I could see myself binging on.It's great, but after awhile, you can get tired of the ambushes, the orcs and the grind.

The Nemesis system is improved, but it really works wonders on Nemesis difficulty. Like you'll encounter a guy who becomes enraged by EVERYTHING and will end up adapting to EVERYTHING you throw at him.

I would also suggest kind of avoiding the fight pits if you can. They're great when they work, but I've had Orcs who could have easily won if they didn't stand their dazed and getting their head bashed in nonstop.

turn off some of the hud too, especially all hud features tied to the orcs. It makes the game a lot more of a cinematic experience, which is what this game also does well for me.
---
sigless
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 7:15:17 PM
#10:


Swagnificent119 posted...

From what I heard, a lot of stuff being locked behind the 100 dollar "gold edition" is far more of an insult than any of the microtransactions.

Is that the one with the season pass?
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 7:15:56 PM
#11:


Jabodie posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...

From what I heard, a lot of stuff being locked behind the 100 dollar "gold edition" is far more of an insult than any of the microtransactions.

Is that the one with the season pass?

Yes

I'm not sure what content requires the gold edition instead of just the season pass.
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Swagnificent119
10/23/17 7:23:27 PM
#12:


DarthAragorn posted...
I'm not sure what content requires the gold edition instead of just the season pass.


I'm going off what someone told me. They said there are like two Orc clans that are locked out of the regular edition that requires the gold edition but I don't know how true that is.

Edit: Looking it up, it looks like they're actually included in the *silver* edition too.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 7:25:25 PM
#13:


they'll definitely be available separately
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 7:50:30 PM
#14:


Hm.

Might get the silver edition on one of these shady key resellers like G2A considering all these silliness with the business model.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
#15
Post #15 was unavailable or deleted.
lilORANG
10/23/17 8:05:30 PM
#16:


Is the world more interesting to explore than the first one? I really liked the gameplay of the first, but all of Mordor looked exactly the same and it just got boring running around a dark gloomy wasteland.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury
10/23/17 8:06:18 PM
#17:


are the war sequences like they were in the trailer or were they downgraded
---
I'm a sex machine ready to reload...
when's sig emoji support thinking face emoji
... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes
10/23/17 8:08:21 PM
#18:


It is taking far too long to get to the good stuff. I am several hours in and still can't even dominate orcs to build an army.
---
You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 8:16:02 PM
#19:


CarlGrimes posted...
It is taking far too long to get to the good stuff. I am several hours in and still can't even dominate orcs to build an army.

Have to make it to second region

lilORANG posted...
Is the world more interesting to explore than the first one? I really liked the gameplay of the first, but all of Mordor looked exactly the same and it just got boring running around a dark gloomy wasteland.

The five regions all have a pretty different look
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Back_Stabbath
10/23/17 8:18:20 PM
#20:


Jabodie posted...
Hm.

Might get the silver edition on one of these shady key resellers like G2A considering all these silliness with the business model.

you're better off fucking pirating it then giving your money to G2A.
---
sigless
... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes
10/23/17 8:18:29 PM
#21:


DarthAragorn posted...
Have to make it to second region

I have. The next mission I have is I have to fight in some arena.
---
You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8
... Copied to Clipboard!
Back_Stabbath
10/23/17 8:19:00 PM
#22:


Freddie_Mercury posted...
are the war sequences like they were in the trailer or were they downgraded

link me to the trailer you're talking about and i'll have a looksie, I'm just about to take over my second fort.
---
sigless
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 8:19:31 PM
#23:


CarlGrimes posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Have to make it to second region

I have. The next mission I have is I have to fight in some arena.

Wait I guess you do get to go to Cirith Ungol earlier

Just finish Minas Ithil (you're real close) then you get to do it
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers
10/23/17 8:21:08 PM
#24:


It's a pretty decent game. I'm having fun with it but avoiding lootboxes like the plague. I'm not too sure how much of an influence they have on the overall game experience, because I'm not too far into it yet.

And as far as the separate 2 clans not in the base game; I believe they're included in the other editions or sold separately as DLC. They're not in the game right now, they're future releases. You don't get screwed, per se, for buying the base game in that regard.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkninja42
10/23/17 8:24:59 PM
#25:


Freddie_Mercury posted...
are the war sequences like they were in the trailer or were they downgraded

Are you talking about the 15 minute gameplay trailer? If so, then yes the sieges are like they are there. The final warchief battle isn't as cinematic as it was there from what I can remember
---
I'm far from high end, I just know what suits me.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 10:27:30 PM
#26:


Back_Stabbath posted...

you're better off f***ing pirating it then giving your money to G2A.

Tbh, I would pirate the game to avoid supporting the business model. However, pirating a game just isn't worth the time/effort to do so, especially if you want to keep up with DLC's and whatnot.

G2A has the convenience of not supporting the developer with these practices without having to waste my time pirating content.

If the game didn't have the lootboxes and microtransactions, I would buy the game outright, as the price isn't all that different from shady keysellers anyway tbh.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 10:28:47 PM
#27:


MrPeppers posted...
And as far as the separate 2 clans not in the base game; I believe they're included in the other editions or sold separately as DLC. They're not in the game right now, they're future releases. You don't get screwed, per se, for buying the base game in that regard.

Hm, maybe I should just wait on the new clans to release.

Seems like it would add a whole lot of variety/content that would enrich the first playthrough, but not add enough content to justify a second.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 10:30:07 PM
#28:


Jabodie posted...
Back_Stabbath posted...

you're better off f***ing pirating it then giving your money to G2A.

Tbh, I would pirate the game to avoid supporting the business model. However, pirating a game just isn't worth the time/effort to do so, especially if you want to keep up with DLC's and whatnot.

G2A has the convenience of not supporting the developer with these practices without having to waste my time pirating content.

If the game didn't have the lootboxes and microtransactions, I would buy the game outright, as the price isn't all that different from shady keysellers anyway tbh.

They're not prominent enough to potentially be costing the devs money

Pirate it or buy it from a real source
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 10:38:20 PM
#29:


DarthAragorn posted...

They're not prominent enough to potentially be costing the devs money

Pirate it or buy it from a real source

I'm a hardline sort of person when it comes to non cosmetic lootboxes in paid games. If I'm going to run into an in game ad or storefront at least once in the game, that's prominent enough imo. I would pirate the game if pirating wasn't inconvenient. Perhaps it's easier to pirate games than it was back in 2011 or so when I was a sophomore in high school, but I doubt it.

I am not bothered by the devs potentially losing money - and I don't want to deal with pirating cracks and manually downloading updates and DLC.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 10:38:45 PM
#30:


Then just don't play it at all
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 10:45:56 PM
#31:


DarthAragorn posted...
Then just don't play it at all

I respect the suggestion. Either way, this is derailing the topic.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn
10/23/17 10:46:50 PM
#32:


It deserves it

If you're going to steal from the devs just don't fucking play it
---
A thousand eyes, and one.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 11:11:07 PM
#33:


DarthAragorn posted...
It deserves it

If you're going to steal from the devs just don't fucking play it

I have an honest question (as I have no meaningful reply other than "no"): when you enter these discussions, do you expect to change people's minds on pirating or gray market resellers?

When I used to virtue signal against G2A and similar services, I would get extensive essays about how youtube exposes, according to their supporters, were poorly researched or outright lies. For instance, in the particular case of the developer which was crippled with charge backs that John Bain speaks quite often of - I've seen that called an isolated case, and in some circles an outright lie.

I just wonder what my arguments, and the arguments of others, ever amounted to. I stopped pirating after getting a job in high school. I paid for games because I had money, and it was more convenient just to buy a game than to spend time finding a virus free torrent and jumping through hoops to get the crack to work. Nothing really to do with morality.

And what's even more widespread is simply the buying of real keys in countries where they are cheap, and selling them to customers in richer countries for a profit. Odds are this is the majority of cases - although they are not hit with charge back, they are effectively losing out on money they would have gotten with a legit purchase. I remember some years back there was concern that this abuse would negatively affect region specific pricing to curtail this issue. I'm not sure if it has tbh.

Nowadays, G2A continues to grow despite negative coverage among youtubers and some journalists. I've discouraged people IRL and online from using G2A, Kinguin, and the multitude of other gray market sites. But I don't think a single one of them listened - my IRL friends still use gray markets because prices are cheaper, and, no matter what these sites do, people will continue to go for cheaper prices regardless of shady practices.

I wonder how much of the marketshare these sites have to take up before legitimate litigation comes from developers and publishers. And, even more, would they have a case against these key reselling sites, I wonder?

We're probably long overdue on legislation on key reselling. It should probably be illegal for anybody to sell a digital market key outside of an approved vendor. But even then, you could probably just have your website based in another country and make money that way. And who knows, maybe there is some legislation out there that I'm just ignorant of.

W/e. Maybe I'll start another thread of gray market sellers.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
Back_Stabbath
10/23/17 11:15:51 PM
#34:


the pirated version is 40gb smaller with nothing cut, has no denuvo, and no intrusive shit in the menu reminding you that the market is a thing, and is a one click install. you're literally better off pirating it if you're gonna go to G2A and never bother with loot boxes.
---
sigless
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 11:17:16 PM
#35:


Back_Stabbath posted...
the pirated version is 40gb smaller with nothing cut, has no denuvo, and no intrusive shit in the menu reminding you that the market is a thing, and is a one click install. you're literally better off pirating it if you're gonna go to G2A and never bother with loot boxes.

40gb?

Of what?
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie
10/23/17 11:26:33 PM
#37:


Back_Stabbath posted...
i dont understand what you're asking
the steam download is like 98gb
the fitgirl repack with hd cutscenes is 38gb
without hd cutscenes its 26gb. they just didn't bother with compression. the full install is still 100gb.

Oh I see.

I guess this sort of thing has gotten more convenient over the years.

Tell you what, I won't go to G2A. If I pirate it now, I'll just buy the game down the line in a deep sale if I really like it (mostly because I don't like having games that aren't attached to Steam or Origin, as dumb as that sounds).

Tbh, it was shockingly easy to find.

Also, might want to delete that post if you don't want that 3kl.
---
<insert sig here>
... Copied to Clipboard!
King Rial
10/23/17 11:37:27 PM
#38:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBH4g_ua5es

---
I use Google... A lot.... >______>
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1