Current Events > Trump Admin wants to reduce funding for bc medication; increase rhythm method $

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http://www.newsweek.com/trump-replace-birth-control-fertility-awareness-leaked-document-689840

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Why do Republicans hate birth control so much?
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That's a shitty thing to do, but I also wonder why whenever birth control comes up nobody ever talks about the fact that condoms are cheap (free if you go to planned parenthood). It's like the default assumption in cases like this are "well nobody's going to use a condom anyway. Without access to birth control women everywhere are just going to get knocked up"

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DreadedWave posted...

Why do Republicans hate birth control so much?

The death rattle of the Christian conservative right clinging on to something they can fight for
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DreadedWave posted...

Why do Republicans hate birth control so much?

Easy access to birth control would mean that lower income families have fewer children that grow up to vote Republican
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s0nicfan posted...

That's a shitty thing to do, but I also wonder why whenever birth control comes up nobody ever talks about the fact that condoms are cheap (free if you go to planned parenthood). It's like the default assumption in cases like this are "well nobody's going to use a condom anyway. Without access to birth control women everywhere are just going to get knocked up"

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DreadedWave posted...

Why do Republicans hate birth control so much?

The death rattle of the Christian conservative right clinging on to something they can fight for

The pill is more effective than condoms. Plus it can help a lady out in other ways.
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s0nicfan posted...

That's a shitty thing to do, but I also wonder why whenever birth control comes up nobody ever talks about the fact that condoms are cheap (free if you go to planned parenthood). It's like the default assumption in cases like this are "well nobody's going to use a condom anyway. Without access to birth control women everywhere are just going to get knocked up"

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DreadedWave posted...

Why do Republicans hate birth control so much?

The death rattle of the Christian conservative right clinging on to something they can fight for

Birth Control is also used to regulate periods and has more uses.

Also Birth Control is more effective than consoles and is better used with birth control + condom to prevent unwanted pregnancies

lilORANG posted...

The pill is more effective than condoms. Plus it can help a lady out in other ways.

I completely agree, and as you point out the pill has other health benefits for some women as well. It's just strange that the argument is so often that without access to a pill everyone's going to get pregnant when condoms are free/cheap.
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its so stupid. BC doesnt even kill anything. the egg just doesnt get released. its still there, jammed up there.

so since men are so stupid, and wont wear a condom, what we will see is an increase in abortions, which, lemme check my sources.. uh huh.. yes.. ok.. makes sense... ok got it

KILLS A FETUS

but jesus says that's a-okay?????
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Also Birth Control is more effective than consoles and is better used with birth control + condom to prevent unwanted pregnancies

I've seen plenty of PC master race posts in my time, but never BC master race.
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lilORANG posted...

The pill is more effective than condoms. Plus it can help a lady out in other ways.

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s0nicfan posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Also Birth Control is more effective than consoles and is better used with birth control + condom to prevent unwanted pregnancies

I've seen plenty of PC master race posts in my time, but never BC master race.

Lol damn iPhones

Birth control pills should be available over the counter.
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and the rhythm method is so incredibly ineffective

my gf's cycle jumps around from 4 weeks to 5 weeks to 3 weeks to fucking whenever it feels like. if i did that shit, i'd have 3 kids by now.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

s0nicfan posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Also Birth Control is more effective than consoles and is better used with birth control + condom to prevent unwanted pregnancies

I've seen plenty of PC master race posts in my time, but never BC master race.

Lol damn iPhones

Not gonna find me arguing. I think even the biggest console enthusiasts have to concede that sex is more fun than xbox.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Birth control pills should be available over the counter.

No.
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hockeybub89 posted...

No.

yes
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Birth control pills should be available over the counter.

I agree with you on that
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hockeybub89 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Birth control pills should be available over the counter.

No.

Yes.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Birth control pills should be available over the counter.

No.

Why not?

There are a ton of different variations (brand and generic) of the pill since it isn't one size fits all. Are they all going to be available OTC? Most insurance plans don't seem to cover OTC. How expensive will it be? The cash price for some of them can get up there. If you don't need to see a doctor to purchase it, then how do you know women will get the right one? All you're doing is putting more women at risk of having unwanted children and/or getting sick. That puts a bigger financial strain on society, which is not what the conservative legislators who support such ideas claim to want.

Best-case scenario: More women would opt for something that would have to be prescribed, like an IUD, if they have insurance and a low co-pay.

The birth control mandate was one of the few absolutely good things that came from Obama care. The best solution is obviously to keep that and move healthcare further in the universal direction.
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Most Republicans are Christian and Christians are perverts who preach all the sex stuff in the Bible but ignore all the lessons to love each other and give to the poor.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Most Republicans are Christian and Christians are perverts who preach all the sex stuff in the Bible but ignore all the lessons to love each other and give to the poor.

"I'm a good person. This is why I want the government to punish you if you are poor and choose to have sex."
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hockeybub89 posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Birth control pills should be available over the counter.

No.

Why not?

There are a ton of different variations (brand and generic) of the pill since it isn't one size fits all. Are they all going to be available OTC? Most insurance plans don't seem to cover OTC. How expensive will it be? The cash price for some of them can get up there. If you don't need to see a doctor to purchase it, then how do you know women will get the right one? All you're doing is putting more women at risk of having unwanted children and/or getting sick. That puts a bigger financial strain on society, which is not what the conservative legislators who support such ideas claim to want.

Best-case scenario: More women would opt for something that would have to be prescribed, like an IUD, if they have insurance and a low co-pay.

The birth control mandate was one of the few absolutely good things that came from Obama care. The best solution is obviously to keep that and move healthcare further in the universal direction.

I don't know if there's tons of variations. I'm know there's lots of name brands which are functionally identical. But either way, some women already report side effects from the type of pill they're taking and their doctor simply switches them to another one. There's no reason why women who want to buy their pills OTC couldn't switch to a different type.

According to Google, the price can be anywhere from $10 to $50 depending on if it's generic or a name brand and the type of pill. This would make it easier to access and would most likely drive prices down. Women who have insurance that covers the pill could still go through their doctor. I'm just talking about more options and freedom. And, in general I'd like to see people be able to but things at cheap prices on their own than needlessly go through their doctors and insurance.

As an example. Two weeks ago, I had a really bad flu. I could have immediately went to my doctor and received a prescription. It was much easier and more convenient for me to do buy a bottle of cough syrup for $6 at the grocery store. And note this is a medication that can be dangerous if misused and that some people can potentially have severe allergic reactions too.

You said that "all you're doing is putting more women at risk"? How do you know? And how do you know that there wouldn't be a lot more women that are helped by such a thing. And, beyond that, the pill is an established drug. It's relatively safe and the side effects are well known. There are plenty of dangerous things you can already buy OTC and to not allow the pill is an unnecessary infringement upon women's freedom.
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2018, come fast and please don't let us down. We need one side of congress to shift badly.
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s0nicfan posted...

That's a shitty thing to do, but I also wonder why whenever birth control comes up nobody ever talks about the fact that condoms are cheap (free if you go to planned parenthood). It's like the default assumption in cases like this are "well nobody's going to use a condom anyway. Without access to birth control women everywhere are just going to get knocked up"

It's its core, the left sees income redistribution and taking from the wealthy as something that should at least be a side effect of all policy, hence there's little if any need to do a cost / benefit analysis. Being smart about your sex life and acknowledging low cost options available to you doesn't redistribute wealth, so bring on the "free to me" pills and abortions.
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Time to start being responsible for yourself

Hahahahahahaha.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Also Birth Control is more effective than consoles

The PS4 Looks great tho
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DifferentialEquation posted...

I don't know if there's tons of variations. I'm know there's lots of name brands which are functionally identical. But either way, some women already report side effects from the type of pill they're taking and their doctor simply switches them to another one. There's no reason why women who want to buy their pills OTC couldn't switch to a different type.

According to Google, the price can be anywhere from $10 to $50 depending on if it's generic or a name brand and the type of pill. This would make it easier to access and would most likely drive prices down. Women who have insurance that covers the pill could still go through their doctor. I'm just talking about more options and freedom. And, in general I'd like to see people be able to but things at cheap prices on their own than needlessly go through their doctors and insurance.

As an example. Two weeks ago, I had a really bad flu. I could have immediately went to my doctor and received a prescription. It was much easier and more convenient for me to do buy a bottle of cough syrup for $6 at the grocery store. And note this is a medication that can be dangerous if misused and that some people can potentially have severe allergic reactions too.

You said that "all you're doing is putting more women at risk"? How do you know? And how do you know that there wouldn't be a lot more women that are helped by such a thing. And, beyond that, the pill is an established drug. It's relatively safe and the side effects are well known. There are plenty of dangerous things you can already buy OTC and to not allow the pill is an unnecessary infringement upon women's freedom.

I understand you are trying to be a good guy here but your stance is serverly misguided and your knowledge of the subject is lacking significantly.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

I don't know if there's tons of variations. I'm know there's lots of name brands which are functionally identical. But either way, some women already report side effects from the type of pill they're taking and their doctor simply switches them to another one. There's no reason why women who want to buy their pills OTC couldn't switch to a different type.

According to Google, the price can be anywhere from $10 to $50 depending on if it's generic or a name brand and the type of pill. This would make it easier to access and would most likely drive prices down. Women who have insurance that covers the pill could still go through their doctor. I'm just talking about more options and freedom. And, in general I'd like to see people be able to but things at cheap prices on their own than needlessly go through their doctors and insurance.

As an example. Two weeks ago, I had a really bad flu. I could have immediately went to my doctor and received a prescription. It was much easier and more convenient for me to do buy a bottle of cough syrup for $6 at the grocery store. And note this is a medication that can be dangerous if misused and that some people can potentially have severe allergic reactions too.

You said that "all you're doing is putting more women at risk"? How do you know? And how do you know that there wouldn't be a lot more women that are helped by such a thing. And, beyond that, the pill is an established drug. It's relatively safe and the side effects are well known. There are plenty of dangerous things you can already buy OTC and to not allow the pill is an unnecessary infringement upon women's freedom.

I understand you are trying to be a good guy here but your stance is serverly misguided and your knowledge of the subject is lacking significantly.

What part is wrong or what do you disagree with?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

I don't know if there's tons of variations. I'm know there's lots of name brands which are functionally identical. But either way, some women already report side effects from the type of pill they're taking and their doctor simply switches them to another one. There's no reason why women who want to buy their pills OTC couldn't switch to a different type.

According to Google, the price can be anywhere from $10 to $50 depending on if it's generic or a name brand and the type of pill. This would make it easier to access and would most likely drive prices down. Women who have insurance that covers the pill could still go through their doctor. I'm just talking about more options and freedom. And, in general I'd like to see people be able to but things at cheap prices on their own than needlessly go through their doctors and insurance.

As an example. Two weeks ago, I had a really bad flu. I could have immediately went to my doctor and received a prescription. It was much easier and more convenient for me to do buy a bottle of cough syrup for $6 at the grocery store. And note this is a medication that can be dangerous if misused and that some people can potentially have severe allergic reactions too.

You said that "all you're doing is putting more women at risk"? How do you know? And how do you know that there wouldn't be a lot more women that are helped by such a thing. And, beyond that, the pill is an established drug. It's relatively safe and the side effects are well known. There are plenty of dangerous things you can already buy OTC and to not allow the pill is an unnecessary infringement upon women's freedom.

I understand you are trying to be a good guy here but your stance is serverly misguided and your knowledge of the subject is lacking significantly.

What part is wrong or what do you disagree with?

Switching BC all willy nilly, picking a BC that you may not know how it interacts with whatever medication you are currently on, having someone get a prescription to get BC is hardly infringing on a woman's rights.
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Why subsidize Rhythm Method?

Are we spending any money promoting the rhythm method?
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divot1338 posted...

Are we spending any money promoting the rhythm method?

...and why the hell should we?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

I don't know if there's tons of variations. I'm know there's lots of name brands which are functionally identical. But either way, some women already report side effects from the type of pill they're taking and their doctor simply switches them to another one. There's no reason why women who want to buy their pills OTC couldn't switch to a different type.

According to Google, the price can be anywhere from $10 to $50 depending on if it's generic or a name brand and the type of pill. This would make it easier to access and would most likely drive prices down. Women who have insurance that covers the pill could still go through their doctor. I'm just talking about more options and freedom. And, in general I'd like to see people be able to but things at cheap prices on their own than needlessly go through their doctors and insurance.

As an example. Two weeks ago, I had a really bad flu. I could have immediately went to my doctor and received a prescription. It was much easier and more convenient for me to do buy a bottle of cough syrup for $6 at the grocery store. And note this is a medication that can be dangerous if misused and that some people can potentially have severe allergic reactions too.

You said that "all you're doing is putting more women at risk"? How do you know? And how do you know that there wouldn't be a lot more women that are helped by such a thing. And, beyond that, the pill is an established drug. It's relatively safe and the side effects are well known. There are plenty of dangerous things you can already buy OTC and to not allow the pill is an unnecessary infringement upon women's freedom.

I understand you are trying to be a good guy here but your stance is serverly misguided and your knowledge of the subject is lacking significantly.

What part is wrong or what do you disagree with?

Switching BC all willy nilly, picking a BC that you may not know how it interacts with whatever medication you are currently on, having someone get a prescription to get BC is hardly infringing on a woman's rights.

Alright, but there are warning labels, instructions, etc . that can be printed on medications for women to read.

ACOG also has the opinion that they should be over the counter: https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contraceptives
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DifferentialEquation posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

I don't know if there's tons of variations. I'm know there's lots of name brands which are functionally identical. But either way, some women already report side effects from the type of pill they're taking and their doctor simply switches them to another one. There's no reason why women who want to buy their pills OTC couldn't switch to a different type.

According to Google, the price can be anywhere from $10 to $50 depending on if it's generic or a name brand and the type of pill. This would make it easier to access and would most likely drive prices down. Women who have insurance that covers the pill could still go through their doctor. I'm just talking about more options and freedom. And, in general I'd like to see people be able to but things at cheap prices on their own than needlessly go through their doctors and insurance.

As an example. Two weeks ago, I had a really bad flu. I could have immediately went to my doctor and received a prescription. It was much easier and more convenient for me to do buy a bottle of cough syrup for $6 at the grocery store. And note this is a medication that can be dangerous if misused and that some people can potentially have severe allergic reactions too.

You said that "all you're doing is putting more women at risk"? How do you know? And how do you know that there wouldn't be a lot more women that are helped by such a thing. And, beyond that, the pill is an established drug. It's relatively safe and the side effects are well known. There are plenty of dangerous things you can already buy OTC and to not allow the pill is an unnecessary infringement upon women's freedom.

I understand you are trying to be a good guy here but your stance is serverly misguided and your knowledge of the subject is lacking significantly.

What part is wrong or what do you disagree with?

Switching BC all willy nilly, picking a BC that you may not know how it interacts with whatever medication you are currently on, having someone get a prescription to get BC is hardly infringing on a woman's rights.

Alright, but there are warning labels, instructions, etc . that can be printed on medications for women to read.

ACOG also has the opinion that they should be over the counter: https://www.acog.org/Resources-And-Publications/Committee-Opinions/Committee-on-Gynecologic-Practice/Over-the-Counter-Access-to-Oral-Contraceptives

I havent gotten a chance to let my wife read this topic yet, but I will tomorrow and have her respond.
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There's no good reason why "the pill" shouldn't be over-the-counter.