Poll of the Day > Kefka vs Pennywise vs The Joker

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toelover
10/18/17 2:25:30 PM
#1:


Who'd win?



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Foppe
10/18/17 2:30:06 PM
#2:


Joker is too crazy to be scared, and his plotarmor makes him impossible to kill.
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mooreandrew58
10/18/17 2:40:25 PM
#3:


this again? kefka literally has the power of a god.

now I believe there is a version of the Joker that is a god, but it doesn't give him any fighting power, but probably makes him immortal.
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Mead
10/18/17 2:57:46 PM
#4:


Go away feet creeper
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SushiSquid
10/18/17 5:53:05 PM
#5:


Kefka in Final Fantasy VI literally becomes the god of magic. He consumes the power of three gods to do so. He's absurdly powerful.

Pennywise is an interdimensional being that consumes worlds. Also very powerful, but he's not a god and the gods (some kind of supernatural being, anyway) work against him to help children kill him.

Joker is just a dude with a knife and no sanity.
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Lokarin
10/18/17 5:55:37 PM
#6:


Kefka at the START of FF6 still has basic magic, even at least advanced magic. That's more than enough to kill a crazy person and a crazy person.
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KogaSteelfang
10/18/17 5:59:16 PM
#7:


Joker loses for sure, he has no defenses against the other two at all.
I'd say Kefka could also take Pennywise, simply because of of how the power of belief trumps Pennywise anyway, Kefka believes himself to be unstoppable, so to Pennywise, he is.
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Revelation34
10/18/17 5:59:42 PM
#8:


Lokarin posted...
Kefka at the START of FF6 still has basic magic, even at least advanced magic. That's more than enough to kill a crazy person and a crazy person.


Which one is the crazy person?
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FalinmerTheil
10/18/17 6:46:26 PM
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Pennywise is an inter dimensional being that, if it just uses it's deadlights, would literally fry the brains of Kefka (who I would place in second) and the Joker. Even disregarding skillfulness or anything like that, human brains are not capable of comprehending WHAT Pennywise's true form (the deadlights) actually are, and attempting to do so will literally destroy them. Other than that, unless they can target the Deadlights in the Macroverse, they can never truly defeat Pennywise, as they could defeat his manifestations, but he can just create another since his true form exists outside of space and time.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 6:49:49 PM
#10:


mooreandrew58 posted...
this again? kefka literally has the power of a god.

now I believe there is a version of the Joker that is a god, but it doesn't give him any fighting power, but probably makes him immortal.


Pennywise is a god/demon. He can't be beaten.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 6:50:23 PM
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KogaSteelfang posted...
Joker loses for sure, he has no defenses against the other two at all.
I'd say Kefka could also take Pennywise, simply because of of how the power of belief trumps Pennywise anyway, Kefka believes himself to be unstoppable, so to Pennywise, he is.


thats not how that works.
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mooreandrew58
10/18/17 6:52:51 PM
#12:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
KogaSteelfang posted...
Joker loses for sure, he has no defenses against the other two at all.
I'd say Kefka could also take Pennywise, simply because of of how the power of belief trumps Pennywise anyway, Kefka believes himself to be unstoppable, so to Pennywise, he is.


thats not how that works.


never been into IT. but can pennywise level whole cities with the snap of his fingers? and if so why doesn't he?
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HillChange
10/18/17 6:54:27 PM
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Since Kefka and the Joker are adults, they wouldn't even realize Pennywise exists until it's too late.
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Smarkil
10/18/17 6:54:28 PM
#14:


Mead posted...
Go away feet creeper

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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 7:02:15 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
KogaSteelfang posted...
Joker loses for sure, he has no defenses against the other two at all.
I'd say Kefka could also take Pennywise, simply because of of how the power of belief trumps Pennywise anyway, Kefka believes himself to be unstoppable, so to Pennywise, he is.


thats not how that works.


never been into IT. but can pennywise level whole cities with the snap of his fingers? and if so why doesn't he?


it can effectively do anything it wants. it doesn't because it doesn't need to.

Also it eats people, why destroy them en mass?
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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 7:02:28 PM
#16:


HillChange posted...
Since Kefka and the Joker are adults, they wouldn't even realize Pennywise exists until it's too late.


not how it works either
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mooreandrew58
10/18/17 7:08:31 PM
#17:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
KogaSteelfang posted...
Joker loses for sure, he has no defenses against the other two at all.
I'd say Kefka could also take Pennywise, simply because of of how the power of belief trumps Pennywise anyway, Kefka believes himself to be unstoppable, so to Pennywise, he is.


thats not how that works.


never been into IT. but can pennywise level whole cities with the snap of his fingers? and if so why doesn't he?


it can effectively do anything it wants. it doesn't because it doesn't need to.

Also it eats people, why destroy them en mass?


but it lets a group of kids win. did it want that?
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KogaSteelfang
10/18/17 7:11:45 PM
#18:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
KogaSteelfang posted...
Joker loses for sure, he has no defenses against the other two at all.
I'd say Kefka could also take Pennywise, simply because of of how the power of belief trumps Pennywise anyway, Kefka believes himself to be unstoppable, so to Pennywise, he is.


thats not how that works.

Never read the book, but that's how it was in the mini-series and movie. If they truly believed they could hurt it, they could.
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Xfma100
10/18/17 7:20:27 PM
#19:


Pennywise is always overestimated in vs battles.
If you go by just pure feats, then IT isn't that powerful.
It sticks to only one town and scares/eats people. It's not that impressive.

It was defeated by a group of normal children and adults...
Oh, but I guess they only won because they were helped out by the turtle?
Yet isn't the turtle dead by the time they challenge IT as adults?

Just saying...
I have yet to actually read the entire book, but I have read quite a bit about Pennywise's abilities, so I could be completely wrong tbf.

Kefka at his peak still wins imo.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 7:26:18 PM
#20:


KogaSteelfang posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
KogaSteelfang posted...
Joker loses for sure, he has no defenses against the other two at all.
I'd say Kefka could also take Pennywise, simply because of of how the power of belief trumps Pennywise anyway, Kefka believes himself to be unstoppable, so to Pennywise, he is.


thats not how that works.

Never read the book, but that's how it was in the mini-series and movie. If they truly believed they could hurt it, they could.


Again. not how it works.

Its "belief system" is a double edge sword yes. But only because of the form it takes.

if its a werewolf, say, it would be vulnerable to silver because the kids believe it should be.

and "pennywise" is just the clown form of the monster avatar it sent to earth. Its actual body is infinitely powerful.

Xfma100 posted...
Pennywise is always overestimated in vs battles.
If you go by just pure feats, then IT isn't that powerful.
It sticks to only one town and scares/eats people. It's not that impressive.

It was defeated by a group of normal children and adults...
Oh, but I guess they only won because they were helped out by the turtle?
Yet isn't the turtle dead by the time they challenge IT as adults?

Just saying...
I have yet to actually read the entire book, but I have read quite a bit about Pennywise's abilities, so I could be completely wrong tbf.

Kefka at his peak still wins imo.


So many wrong people here.

The turtle helped them the first time, yes. But he isn't why they won. They won through magic 7 shit and the help of a third god (hinted to be stephen king/the reader)

and the reason it eats children is because their fears are easier to take physical form, which makes them taste better. It sticks to one town because it doesn't need to go anywhere else. it IS derry. It can possess anyone it wants, create storms and destroy anything it wishes, make people rich and powerful, and give them almost eternal life. Or just point at you and give you cancer. Kefka has no chance. Hes just a human who managed to get his hands on super powers. Nothing more.
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mooreandrew58
10/18/17 7:29:13 PM
#21:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
if its a werewolf, say, it would be vulnerable to silver because the kids believe it should be


kefka likely believes everything can be destroyed by him, no matter the form, would that make it so then?
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SushiSquid
10/18/17 7:33:13 PM
#22:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
Kefka has no chance. Hes just a human who managed to get his hands on super powers. Nothing more.

Again, Kefka becomes a literal god. He consumes the power of the three gods of magic to become the single, all-powerful god of magic. Dude shifted the continents of the planet when he first absorbed these powers, and then proceeded to consume the power of thousands of magical creatures. There's no telling what the god of magic could do, especially after eating even more magic.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 7:33:52 PM
#23:


mooreandrew58 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
if its a werewolf, say, it would be vulnerable to silver because the kids believe it should be


kefka likely believes everything can be destroyed by him, no matter the form, would that make it so then?


Belief =/= hope/thinking.

Its the reason why only kids could destroy it. Because they believed without question that a werewolf must be vulnerable to silver. It doesn't work that way with adults.

And they were only strong together.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 7:34:19 PM
#24:


SushiSquid posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
Kefka has no chance. Hes just a human who managed to get his hands on super powers. Nothing more.

Again, Kefka becomes a literal god. He consumes the power of the three gods of magic to become the single, all-powerful god of magic. Dude shifted the continents of the planet when he first absorbed these powers, and then proceeded to consume the power of thousands of magical creatures. There's no telling what the god of magic could do, especially after eating even more magic.


and still jobbed to a bunch of normal weapons and magic. Hmm.
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mooreandrew58
10/18/17 7:34:40 PM
#25:


SushiSquid posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
Kefka has no chance. Hes just a human who managed to get his hands on super powers. Nothing more.

Again, Kefka becomes a literal god. He consumes the power of the three gods of magic to become the single, all-powerful god of magic. Dude shifted the continents of the planet when he first absorbed these powers, and then proceeded to consume the power of thousands of magical creatures. There's no telling what the god of magic could do, especially after eating even more magic.


to add pretty much the only reason he doesn't destroy the whole world in one go boils down to basically "wheres the fun in that?"
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Kimbos_Egg
10/18/17 7:37:54 PM
#26:


mooreandrew58 posted...
SushiSquid posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
Kefka has no chance. Hes just a human who managed to get his hands on super powers. Nothing more.

Again, Kefka becomes a literal god. He consumes the power of the three gods of magic to become the single, all-powerful god of magic. Dude shifted the continents of the planet when he first absorbed these powers, and then proceeded to consume the power of thousands of magical creatures. There's no telling what the god of magic could do, especially after eating even more magic.


to add pretty much the only reason he doesn't destroy the whole world in one go boils down to basically "wheres the fun in that?"


again, old god. its power is almost limitless.
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Xfma100
10/18/17 7:55:24 PM
#27:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
and still jobbed to a bunch of normal weapons and magic. Hmm.


Were any of the main characters in FFVI special such as being chosen?

I know in a few FF games that the heroes are chosen by higher powers to save the world...
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mooreandrew58
10/18/17 7:57:00 PM
#28:


Xfma100 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
and still jobbed to a bunch of normal weapons and magic. Hmm.


Were any of the main characters in FFVI special such as being chosen?

I know in a few FF games that the heroes are chosen by higher powers to save the world...


Terra was only half human. other than that not really. but FF characters are all well above and beyond the capabilities of a realistic human being.
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mooreandrew58
10/18/17 7:59:11 PM
#29:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
if its a werewolf, say, it would be vulnerable to silver because the kids believe it should be


kefka likely believes everything can be destroyed by him, no matter the form, would that make it so then?


Belief =/= hope/thinking.

Its the reason why only kids could destroy it. Because they believed without question that a werewolf must be vulnerable to silver. It doesn't work that way with adults.

And they were only strong together.


kefka as said likely believes without question he is god and can destroy everything.

and the heroes of that game could only beat him because they banded together.
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KogaSteelfang
10/18/17 8:02:38 PM
#30:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
if its a werewolf, say, it would be vulnerable to silver because the kids believe it should be


kefka likely believes everything can be destroyed by him, no matter the form, would that make it so then?


Belief =/= hope/thinking.

Its the reason why only kids could destroy it. Because they believed without question that a werewolf must be vulnerable to silver. It doesn't work that way with adults.

And they were only strong together.

The adults were the ones who actually beat it though, the kids just chased it off for a bit.
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Foppe
10/19/17 1:14:43 AM
#31:


Kefka was defeated by a bunch of people that he failed to kill multiple times.
Pennywise was defeated by a bunch of people that he failed at killing multiple times.
The Joker has cheated death more than pretty much any fictional character. And if we use Emperor Joker that got nigh-unlimited reality-shaping powers...
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mooreandrew58
10/19/17 1:18:42 AM
#32:


Foppe posted...
Kefka was defeated by a bunch of people that he failed to kill multiple times.
Pennywise was defeated by a bunch of people that he failed at killing multiple times.
The Joker has cheated death more than pretty much any fictional character. And if we use Emperor Joker that got nigh-unlimited reality-shaping powers...


the joker lives because batman is a wimp and can't handle the thought of killing someone despite said someone having killed thousands (millions if injustice universe)
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Kimbos_Egg
10/19/17 1:23:48 AM
#33:


Also pennywise could have killed them anytime, she just felt she never needed to.
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Zikten
10/19/17 1:36:05 AM
#34:


Joker would kill Kefka and then it's down to IT and Joker. I think Joker could stare into the deadlights and just laugh.
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mooreandrew58
10/19/17 1:37:07 AM
#35:


Zikten posted...
Joker would kill Kefka and then it's down to IT and Joker. I think Joker could stare into the deadlights and just laugh.


and how would joker kill kefka?

Kimbos_Egg posted...
Also pennywise could have killed them anytime, she just felt she never needed to.

kefka could have done the same pretty much.
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Zikten
10/19/17 1:39:43 AM
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even when Kefka is a god, he is still defeated by warriors with normal weapons like someone mentioned already. if they can do it so can Joker
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mooreandrew58
10/19/17 1:49:42 AM
#37:


Zikten posted...
even when Kefka is a god, he is still defeated by warriors with normal weapons like someone mentioned already. if they can do it so can Joker


FF characters in general are well beyond that of a average human. and terra isn't exactly human. half human to be exact. but i'm betting the average FF character could hold their own if not beat batman. let alone the joker.
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Foppe
10/19/17 2:14:00 AM
#38:


mooreandrew58 posted...
Zikten posted...
even when Kefka is a god, he is still defeated by warriors with normal weapons like someone mentioned already. if they can do it so can Joker


FF characters in general are well beyond that of a average human. and terra isn't exactly human. half human to be exact. but i'm betting the average FF character could hold their own if not beat batman. let alone the joker.

Batman has defeated both Superman and Darkseid, are you telling me that the average Final Fantasy character is stronger than Superman?
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Entity13
10/19/17 2:36:39 AM
#39:


Joker would manipulate them both, even at the cost of his own life. Even if he died, he would win. Then he would come back to life via "plot" after the fight is long since over.
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10/19/17 8:24:37 AM
#40:


Foppe posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Zikten posted...
even when Kefka is a god, he is still defeated by warriors with normal weapons like someone mentioned already. if they can do it so can Joker


FF characters in general are well beyond that of a average human. and terra isn't exactly human. half human to be exact. but i'm betting the average FF character could hold their own if not beat batman. let alone the joker.

Batman has defeated both Superman and Darkseid, are you telling me that the average Final Fantasy character is stronger than Superman?


Seeing as how most FF characters can cast magic, and Superman is vulnerable to magic, then it is very likely that they can put up a reasonable fight against supes.

Also, on the topic of "normal people" beating Kefka, the characters in FFVI had the help of espers and their magicite to power them up, well above normal humans.
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10/19/17 8:52:16 AM
#41:


Joker wins because I like him more than the other options.
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Revelation34
10/19/17 11:29:37 AM
#42:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
Also pennywise could have killed them anytime, she just felt she never needed to.


Wat.

Foppe posted...
Batman has defeated both Superman and Darkseid, are you telling me that the average Final Fantasy character is stronger than Superman?


He used Kryptonite. Also pretty sure he never beat Darkseid.
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mooreandrew58
10/19/17 11:34:38 AM
#43:


Foppe posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Zikten posted...
even when Kefka is a god, he is still defeated by warriors with normal weapons like someone mentioned already. if they can do it so can Joker


FF characters in general are well beyond that of a average human. and terra isn't exactly human. half human to be exact. but i'm betting the average FF character could hold their own if not beat batman. let alone the joker.

Batman has defeated both Superman and Darkseid, are you telling me that the average Final Fantasy character is stronger than Superman?


superman has a distinct weakness and holds back against batman. when has batman beaten darkseid without some ridiculous plot armor and mech suit thats super OP

oh and batman has been beaten by deathstroke. so just he beat superman doesn't really mean jack. hell batman has technically been beat by joker, but the fact joker wanted to have fun with him instead of killing him is what allowed batman to come out on top in the end.
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Revelation34
10/19/17 11:38:21 AM
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Batman would lose to Captain America.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/19/17 11:46:07 AM
#45:


Revelation34 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
Also pennywise could have killed them anytime, she just felt she never needed to.


Wat.

Foppe posted...
Batman has defeated both Superman and Darkseid, are you telling me that the average Final Fantasy character is stronger than Superman?


He used Kryptonite. Also pretty sure he never beat Darkseid.


Yup.
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mooreandrew58
10/19/17 11:48:39 AM
#46:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Kimbos_Egg posted...
Also pennywise could have killed them anytime, she just felt she never needed to.


Wat.

Foppe posted...
Batman has defeated both Superman and Darkseid, are you telling me that the average Final Fantasy character is stronger than Superman?


He used Kryptonite. Also pretty sure he never beat Darkseid.


Yup.


well if you count talking darkseid down I know a animated movie he did that. no fight but he made him surrender. (only to attack earth later, so not much good it did)
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Kimbos_Egg
10/19/17 11:49:40 AM
#47:


i was responding to the other thing.
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10/19/17 11:50:57 AM
#48:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
i was responding to the other thing.


sorry bad habit of just quoting the entire thing. I don't feel like changing it hopefully said person will see it for what it is
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Revelation34
10/19/17 11:53:11 AM
#49:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
Yup.


Still a "wat" moment.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/19/17 11:55:29 AM
#50:


its technically an old god so it doesn't really have a gender or sex.. but it gives birth and everyone calls it a she afterwards.
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