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FrisbeeDude
10/13/17 5:23:24 PM
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https://tinyurl.com/y8k7d4l6

Vice President Pence portrayed his walk out of Sundays game between the Indianapolis Colts and San Francisco 49ers as an of act patriotism.

"While everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I don't think it's too much to ask NFL players to respect the Flag and our National Anthem"

"I stand with @POTUS Trump, I stand with our soldiers, and I will always stand for our Flag and our National Anthem. pic.twitter.com/B0zP5M41MQ"

ences remarks followed President Trumps lead in trying to make the NFL players national anthem protests of racial inequality in America about patriotism instead of race. Or as the president tweeted last month:

"Courageous Patriots have fought and died for our great American Flag --- we MUST honor and respect it! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

"The issue of kneeling has nothing to do with race. It is about respect for our Country, Flag and National Anthem. NFL must respect this!"

Most Americans, however, see it differently. In a YouGov/Economist survey conducted earlier this month, 66 percent said that NFL players choosing to kneel during the playing of the national anthem is a matter of race compared with 34 percent who thought it was a matter of patriotism.

But this debate about whether the NFLs #TakeAKnee protests have more to do with race or patriotism misses a more important point. American patriotism has always been racialized.

[This is what millennials think about the NFL protests]

Within the social science literature on intergroup relations, Jim Sidanius and Felicia Prattos influential theory of social dominance argues that politically dominant groups like whites in the United States effectively claim ownership of the nation. According to this theory, nationality and ethnicity are complementary because their power has enabled whites to successfully define the prototypical American in their own image.

Consistent with that contention, social psychology research finds that for many to be American is implicitly synonymous with being white. Moreover, whites who feel a sense of solidarity with other whites have historically felt more strongly attached to such symbols of patriotism as the national anthem and the American flag.

The figures below provide more new evidence that whiteness and American patriotism are deeply linked. The first graph shows a strong connection between how attached white Americans are to their own racial identity and how attached they are to American patriotism.

The analysis combines four survey questions from the 2016 American National Election Study (ANES) into a measure of white consciousness. The first two gauge how important being white is to respondents identities and how much whites believe their own racial group is discriminated against. The remaining items, developed by Duke political scientist Ashley Jardina, are: How likely is it that many whites are unable to find a job because employers are hiring minorities instead? and How important is it that whites work together to change laws that are unfair to whites?

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thelovefist
10/13/17 5:26:06 PM
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FrisbeeDude
10/13/17 5:26:41 PM
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The left-hand panel above shows that whites who score high on that measure of racial consciousness feel particularly good about the American flag. Nearly 90 percent of whites who have strong attachments to their racial group said that seeing the flag made them feel extremely good, compared with only about a quarter those who score low in white racial solidarity.

The right-hand graph shows a similarly strong link between white consciousness and a sense of American identity. These associations between white consciousness and patriotism are mostly unaltered after controlling for partisanship, ideology and demographics further bolstering the conclusion that white identity is strongly intertwined with American patriotism and American identity.

The next figure shows an even more direct link between whiteness and American patriotism.

The left-hand side of the display shows results from a June 1995 NBC poll that asked respondents, When you hear about someone being patriotic, do you think of a white man, a white woman, a black man or a black woman? The results again show that the publics image of the prototypical American patriot is far more likely to be white than black.

In keeping with those findings, the right-hand display shows that, in a February 2012 ANES survey, few whites thought African Americans were particularly patriotic. Only 28 percent of white respondents thought that the word patriotic described most blacks very or extremely well, compared to 51 percent who thought most whites are patriots.

This view that African Americans are insufficiently patriotic fits well with modern theories of prejudice, which argue that contemporary white racial resentment is characterized by a moral feeling that blacks violate traditional American values. In fact, one of the statements that Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher used to measure racial resentment for the Obama campaign in 2008 was, I often feel that African Americans arent as proud and patriotic about this country as I am.

Racial resentment is also characterized by beliefs that African Americans are insufficiently industrious, obedient and deserving prevalent themes that Trump and his supporters tap into when they describe black players protesting racial injustices in America as disrespectful, spoiled and ungrateful. Its certainly no surprise, then, that whites who held racially resentful beliefs were especially likely to be against NFL players taking a knee during the national anthem, well before Trump started commenting about the issue last month.

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FrisbeeDude
10/13/17 5:27:10 PM
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Nor is it surprising that white racial resentment was strongly linked to groundless speculation about whether President Barack Obama was really born in the United States the same birther beliefs that helped make Trump popular with Republicans in the first place. Trump and his supporters claimed that his birther crusade against the first black president had nothing to do with race just as they are now claiming that their opposition to NFL protesters is about patriotism, rather than race.

[White identity politics isnt just about white supremacy. Its much bigger.]

But both birtherism and Trumps attacks on athletes kneeling to protest police violence against blacks easily evoke widespread racialized ideas of American patriotism conceptions of citizenship that often equate being American with being white.

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Bat178
10/13/17 5:28:10 PM
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Even though America wasn't originally white and they stole it from the Asiatic peoples that were already living there....
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thelovefist
10/13/17 5:28:46 PM
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thelovefist posted...
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YourDrunkFather
10/13/17 5:30:58 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
I hate white people

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/13/17 5:46:56 PM
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the Fragile-Americans have been summoned.

prepare for the strawmen carrying their projection weaponry!
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/13/17 5:48:45 PM
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lol
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thelovefist
10/13/17 5:48:48 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
the Fragile-Americans have been summoned.

prepare for the strawmen carrying their projection weaponry!

I am just here to find out if TC is Draje or not.
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Nomadic View
10/13/17 5:49:33 PM
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YourDrunkFather posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I hate white people

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glitteringfairy
10/13/17 5:50:19 PM
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TC is not Draje, he is a racist though
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badasstion
10/13/17 5:53:22 PM
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Imagine being this obsessed with race while always calling the party who almost never talks about it "racists" around the clock hahahaha MAGA
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thelovefist
10/13/17 6:00:27 PM
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badasstion posted...
Imagine being this obsessed with race while always calling the party who almost never talks about it "racists" around the clock hahahaha MAGA

Who's shitty alt is this?
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Ammonitida
10/13/17 6:08:44 PM
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From the study

http://www.electionstudies.org/onlinecommons/2016Pilot/WhiteConsciousness.pdf


The results are compelling. White consciousness predicts negative affect toward Obama,
endorsement that Republicans better represent whites compared to Democrats,
and positive affect toward the Tea Party movement, even after controlling for racial resentment.
10 The results of the two models in which support for Social Security and welfare were regressed on white consciousness provide further evidence that this construct is
also distinct from racial animus.
As expected, racial resentment is strongly related to opposition to welfare, but white consciousness is not
(Gilens 1999)

Previous scholarship has largely dismissed the notion that whites possess a racial identity,
let alone a racial consciousness. Growing evidence, however, suggests
that in the contemporary political environment, whites are viewing themselves as a distinct and aggrieved political group.
The proposed items take an important step toward validly capturing these sentiments, which may have enormous consequences for U.S. electoral politics in the coming years.
By simply focusing on racial out-group animus among whites, we are potentially missing an important and essential part of the puzzle that racial in-group attitudes inform political preferences among white
Americans as well, and they do so in distinct and consequential ways
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KStateKing17
10/13/17 6:10:11 PM
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Courageous Patriots have fought and died for our great American Flag --- we MUST honor and respect it! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

This is a very stupid thing to say.
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CADE FOSTER
10/13/17 6:11:17 PM
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The electing of Trump brought the racism out in the country they are now completely open about it this country is more divided now than it has ever been smh deplorables
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FrisbeeDude
10/13/17 9:32:33 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I hate white people


Imagine being this defensive. If that's what you got from this topic, the problem is with you
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courier_nv
10/13/17 9:33:20 PM
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tc is actually a right wing troll pretending to be liberal
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weapon_d00d816
10/13/17 9:34:25 PM
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Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.
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FrisbeeDude
10/14/17 12:06:13 AM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?

If the idea that "when most people think of your standard American, they're thinking of white people" and "a large group of white Americans feel blacks, by in large, aren't very patriotic" equates to me hating white people, then we really can't discuss this in mixed company

But when black people want to have black discussion groups, we're still accused of racism
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Questionmarktarius
10/14/17 12:07:02 AM
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...I don't get it.
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Questionmarktarius
10/14/17 12:13:54 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?

If the idea that "when most people think of your standard American, they're thinking of white people" and "a large group of white Americans feel blacks, by in large, aren't very patriotic" equates to me hating white people, then we really can't discuss this in mixed company

But when black people want to have black discussion groups, we're still accused of racism

This is what trolls and racists do. They yell about how discussing it is a problem and say it means that you hate white people or America.

The first step, is recognizing that there's no right to not be offended.
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pls
10/14/17 12:29:15 AM
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YourDrunkFather posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
I hate white people
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MakoReizei
10/14/17 12:30:32 AM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.

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FrisbeeDude
10/14/17 12:48:08 AM
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MakoReizei posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


Okay. So y'all just mad
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/14/17 9:34:08 AM
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it's pretty funny how the same cast of trolls who shit post in these topics are literally the SAME people who actively attack Black people in topics aimed at Black people. and these trolls never say anything bad about those topic makers.

patterns, history, traditions... keep exposing them!
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Skasa
10/14/17 9:36:06 AM
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Nothing wrong with this. Why do you hate White people and America?
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thelovefist
10/14/17 10:50:07 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
it's pretty funny how the same cast of trolls who shit post in these topics are literally the SAME people who actively attack Black people in topics aimed at Black people. and these trolls never say anything bad about those topic makers.

patterns, history, traditions... keep exposing them!

A notable pattern as well is your and TC's racism
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The Admiral
10/14/17 10:51:26 AM
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Less Intelligent Shaun King with another riveting take on why he's a victim.
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weapon_d00d816
10/14/17 10:53:00 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?

If the idea that "when most people think of your standard American, they're thinking of white people" and "a large group of white Americans feel blacks, by in large, aren't very patriotic" equates to me hating white people, then we really can't discuss this in mixed company

But when black people want to have black discussion groups, we're still accused of racism

No it's because that's literally all you want to talk about. It says something about you when this particular subject is your breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

It stops being an innocent proposal to "discuss race relations".
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FrisbeeDude
10/14/17 10:53:05 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Less Intelligent Shaun King with another riveting take on why he's a victim.


I'm sorry this triggers you so much, mr. Whitlock
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/14/17 10:53:40 AM
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how many Black people on this board have you called "less intelligent Shaun King?" every time I see that "insult," it's literally from the same troll.

every. single. time.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/14/17 10:55:34 AM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?

If the idea that "when most people think of your standard American, they're thinking of white people" and "a large group of white Americans feel blacks, by in large, aren't very patriotic" equates to me hating white people, then we really can't discuss this in mixed company

But when black people want to have black discussion groups, we're still accused of racism

No it's because that's literally all you want to talk about. It says something about you when this particular subject is your breakfast, lunch, and dinner.


is he wrong to have this subject close to his heart? what do you know about his experiences?
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OpheliaAdenade
10/14/17 10:57:14 AM
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Well, if you think about it... the flag is red, white, and blue. White is the only race that's a part of the flag. Does that have anything to do with it?
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PinkiePie462
10/14/17 10:58:58 AM
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Being white means being on time, a hard worker, a family man, etc

Kinda annoying that positive attributes have become a trope for white people.
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PinkiePie462
10/14/17 11:00:50 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?


Talk about ways to curb black crime instead of blaming white people for your misfortunes.
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The Admiral
10/14/17 11:03:17 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
how many Black people on this board have you called "less intelligent Shaun King?" every time I see that "insult," it's literally from the same troll.

every. single. time.


Literally just the TC. That's his nickname.
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FrisbeeDude
10/14/17 11:04:29 AM
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PinkiePie462 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?


Talk about ways to curb black crime instead of blaming white people for your misfortunes.


I know you're trolling, but some people really do seem to feel that way
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literal_garbage
10/14/17 11:04:54 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
how many Black people on this board have you called "less intelligent Shaun King?" every time I see that "insult," it's literally from the same troll.

every. single. time.


And you just know that he's so proud of coming up with such a witty, biting insult all on his own.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/14/17 11:06:42 AM
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PinkiePie462 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?


Talk about ways to curb black crime instead of blaming white people for your misfortunes.


what if the "war on drugs" is the link between the two? are you willing to attack the root of the problem just the product of the problem?

for a sincere and fruitful conversation, education to timeline events and acknowledgement of basic cause and effect are a prerequisite.

if not, the conversation can't progress in a meaningful way. the fact is, most people taking issue are completely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. what can you do with that other than accept them as incorrigibly ignorant?
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PinkiePie462
10/14/17 11:09:31 AM
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If there wasn't a 'war on drugs', I can't honestly see how things would be much different. There would still tons of separated single mothers and larger gangs.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/14/17 11:13:35 AM
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PinkiePie462 posted...
If there wasn't a 'war on drugs', I can't honestly see how things would be much different. There would still tons of separated single mothers and larger gangs.


lol, I can easily see MakoReizei, NINExATExSEVEN or southcoast saying that.
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NINExATExSEVEN
10/14/17 11:13:55 AM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
PinkiePie462 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Nother day, nother insecure FrisbeeDude topic whining about white people.


So i just wanna know...how can I discuss race relations in America without offending white people?


Talk about ways to curb black crime instead of blaming white people for your misfortunes.


I know you're trolling, but some people really do seem to feel that way


What's he trolling about? Asking you to stop blaming white people for your problems?

What a troll.
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Hicks233
10/14/17 11:15:07 AM
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Why does it surprise people that other people have an ingroup preference?
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