Current Events > it seems like liberals are mad at eminem, any one else notice this?

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talking about his misogyny, homophobia, even taking him on for not openly taking on kid rock since he's running for senate etc

I honestly dont get it
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Well...I recently only hear Trumpist being TRIGGERED by modern Eminem.
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I haven't seen any of that

But I have seen a lot of people talking about how overrated that verse was
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epik_fail1 posted...

Well...I recently only hear Trumpist being TRIGGERED by modern Eminem.

that's what I'm talking about tho

Y'all bout to use the quilt passed down from your great great granny to make Eminem a liberation jumpsuit so he can keynote every Juneteenth celebration via skype? #imhatin

So Eminem now gets automatic honorable mention at the Greater Mt. Pisgah Missionary Baptist Church Bi-annual Sweet Potato Pie Contest and The Tri-State Mary McLeod Bethune Missionary Society Book Club Honors Ceremony? #imoverherehatin!

Be careful my left minded friends. An enemy of our enemy is not always our friend. If you think Eminem is the first, loudest, or best voice against Trump you haven't been paying attention. By extolling him you encourage this idea that a white male voice is the only thing that makes a difference. I encourage you to show as much support when the quiet voices call out for help.

"Black artists are rarely celebrated this way. When black creatives and public figures are not political in their work, they are often considered disengaged from the real issues plaguing their communities, if not money-hungry and negligent sellouts altogether. When they do speak out, they are marked as divisive shit-starters by conservatives and whites who'd rather go about their regularly scheduled lives than to consider the day-to-day struggles another group of people experiences. Beyonce's 2016 Super Bowl performance was unfairly labeled as anti-police. YG's "FDT" received threats from the Secret Service. Kendrick Lamar's 2015 BET Awards performance was interpreted as hateful as well. There is no win-win situation for blacks on this front. In 2017, if outspoken blacks have big enough platforms, they may even get an unfavorable tweet from the President."

So it seems that Eminem calls out Trump in a freestyle rap and the heavens opened and the angels sang for the slam he dumped on Trump. Yeah? Nah!
Eminem calling out Trump, is like Jack the Ripper calling out Jeffrey Dahmer. He's made his entire career on being a homophobe, ultra-misogynist, promotes violence against women, etc. Plus, I really thought that overall, his freestyle on this one, was weak. #NoPass
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I have not seen this, but I think it's reasonable to see the guy who used to do songs about murdering his wife and not hold him up as the new hero for rapping against the president.
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Balrog0 posted...

talking about his misogyny, homophobia,

what year is it
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Pretty much who comes out as anti-trump looks like a damn fool because most of them are all hypocrites but it bothers me more that nobody ever called him out for Marsh, the song about Bush and the Iraq war

"Strap him with an AK let him go fight his own war, he can impress daddy that way!"
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I think referring to "Liberals" and "Conservatives" in the broadest sense is usually a terrible intellectual crutch. The truth is always nuanced.
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Antifar posted...

I have not seen this, but I think it's reasonable to see the guy who used to do songs about murdering his wife and not hold him up as the new hero for rapping against the president.

I can see that perspective

do you think liberals feel especially empowered to tackle this because he's white? even as recently as this year Killer Mike is rapping lyrics like, "To hell with what your mouth say, show me what that mouth do" about women but I don't recall his lyrics being a flash point issue during the primary or after. of course I could have missed it, maybe it just didn't penetrate my bubble
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tremain07 posted...

Pretty much who comes out as anti-trump looks like a damn fool because most of them are all hypocrites but it bothers me more that nobody ever called him out for Marsh, the song about Bush and the Iraq war

"Strap him with an AK let him go fight his own war, he can impress daddy that way!"

How is what he said hypocritical?
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a WHITE man who is rapping

CULTURAL

APPROPRIATION

oh this is about something else? I just thought they wouldn't like m&m because of that
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

Balrog0 posted...

talking about his misogyny, homophobia,

what year is it

2001
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darkphoenix181 posted...

a WHITE man who is rapping

CULTURAL

APPROPRIATION

oh this is about something else? I just thought they wouldn't like m&m because of that

Oh please, even Kanye West praised Eminem.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

a WHITE man who is rapping

CULTURAL

APPROPRIATION

oh this is about something else? I just thought they wouldn't like m&m because of that

I don't think anyone has really accused him of appropriation since like 98. The guy is entrenched in and fully appreciative of the culture at a level that converted even the biggest skeptics a long time ago. He's paying tribute and contributing, not appropriating.

That said, I don't think it's really liberals criticizing him, it's leftists (socialists and social critics) mostly. Liberals are the ones praising him. Leftists are criticizing him for things like the "we love our troops" line.
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legendary_zell posted...

Leftists are criticizing him for things like the "we love our troops" line.

I haven't seen this at all, I pasted examples of what I saw
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Earl Sweatshirt said it best:

"If you still follow Eminem, you drink way too much Mountain Dew and probably need to like, come home from the army
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I admit, Im surprised. I figure after his Trump rap hed be a top liberal hero. There are tons of rappers that are still doing that exact shit. Why is Eminem held to a higher standard?
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I feel like everyone is making it a bigger deal than it is. It's literally just a diss track

Trump supporters should stop crying like a bunch of bottle-feeding bitches while everyone else should stop acting like he did anything other than repeat what the world knew already

I think you're seeing the "counterwave".

I don't think most liberals are calling him a hero or anything. Most probably just don't care either way or find it interesting because Eminem's fanbase does somewhat overlap with Trump's.
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Nomadic View posted...

I admit, Im surprised. I figure after his Trump rap hed be a top liberal hero. There are tons of rappers that are still doing that exact shit. Why is Eminem held to a higher standard?

When a minority support Trump conservatives are like "omg LIBERULS a minority who think for themselves with trump's brain disagree with you CHECKMATE LIBERULS".

Now a straight white male do it and liberals are like "OMG TRUMPANZEes a straight white male disagree with you CHECKMATE TRUMPANZEES "

I actually agree with Eminem, but he is far from the 1st one to be doing it.
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I remember people calling Eminem a homophobe since the days of Slim Shady. This aint nothing new.
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There's a big difference between liberals and lefties. Libs are still capitalists, for the most part lefties aren't. American politics has become so convoluted.
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Funkydog posted...

I remember people calling Eminem a homophobe since the days of Slim Shady. This aint nothing new.

Eminem used to be homophobic, but he grew out of it. He even joked about coming out as gay in a movie.
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pretty much the answer to this is "we are a big tent and a lot of people care intensely about things others don't care about at all"

strong economic liberals are always going to support people who come out hard against economic conservatives; strong social liberals are not going to support those people if they say (even in art, rather than as a personal endorsement) things that are hostile to socially disadvantaged groups. basically it's a question of what they will look past, and what vindicates an undesirable position/what we are willing to align with.

it's part of the fundamental conflict of the party--we are not sure what policy we want at the helm. sanders came across as paying lip service but lacking the chops (despite a history of marching alongside those fighting for black rights and voting in favor of VAWA/gay marriage/etc--because he was small potatoes until his economic stance put him center-stage).

imo it's also why healthcare reform was so hard for us. half our voters don't really give a shit about it.
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Misogyny and homophobia are hallmarks of 90s and 2000s rap. Those libs must hate almost every rapper from that period if this is their excuse.
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I haven't personally seen anyone speak negatively about the Eminem verse. Everyone I've seen have pretty much said that he destroyed Trump, to be fair though the vast majority of these people are fans of hip hop. I haven't personally listened to it, though I've been meaning to.
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The Admiral posted...

Misogyny and homophobia are hallmarks of 90s and 2000s rap. Those libs must hate almost every rapper from that period if this is their excuse.

well, those not willing to compromise on social issues like "he said an offensive thing" to achieve broader goals, yes.
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Darkman124 posted...

pretty much the answer to this is "we are a big tent and a lot of people care intensely about things others don't care about at all"

strong economic liberals are always going to support people who come out hard against economic conservatives; strong social liberals are not going to support those people if they say (even in art, rather than as a personal endorsement) things that are hostile to socially disadvantaged groups. basically it's a question of what they will look past, and what vindicates an undesirable position/what we are willing to align with.

it's part of the fundamental conflict of the party--we are not sure what policy we want at the helm. sanders came across as paying lip service but lacking the chops (despite a history of marching alongside those fighting for black rights and voting in favor of VAWA/gay marriage/etc--because he was small potatoes until his economic stance put him center-stage).

imo it's also why healthcare reform was so hard for us. half our voters don't really give a shit about it.

an actually interesting perspective, thank you

do you think the fact that he was a (white) man running against a woman played a role in setting that narrative about Sanders?
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Balrog0 posted...

an actually interesting perspective, thank you

do you think the fact that he was a (white) man running against a woman played a role in setting that narrative about Sanders?

honestly no

i think clinton tried and failed to play up that angle. steinem gave a public speech in which she went on about a 'special place in hell for women who dont help other women' and it was received like the giant turd that it was

i think the main thing is the perception of black voters that clinton was a general in their fight for civil rights with strong ties to all of their leaders, whereas sanders was a foot soldier whose impact was unknown (because he didn't have the power to make an impact at the time) and whose background was a mostly white community in vermont

she did especially well among black female voters, so i perhaps am underestimating the woman effect, but young women of all races preferred sanders by a lot
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It's not liberals. It's actually people on both sides, pretty much since his career started. He's had accusations of homophobia for years. His violent lyrics and songs about women have been criticized pretty much by parents across the political spectrum. It's not even just him. Both rap and most types of rock have seen these sorts of complaints levied against them for years.

Really though, the fact that you are making this a political issue instead of a discussion on the merits and marks of artistic freedom really says more about you than it does about either 'side'.