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Zikten
09/14/17 11:30:51 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Capn Circus posted...

When Antifa and other leftists produce violence and obstruct people from entering venues and create an unsafe environment, it is obstructing freedom of speech.

Here's the thing, freedom of speech is only applicable to government actions.

If the university itself, or the state, or the federal government, actively silenced Shapiro, then that's violating free speech.

Being told to shut the fuck up and leave is not violating free speech, it's people expressing dissent for an idea or individual, which they also have the right to do.



so it's ok to attack people trying to attend something? you can tell them to shut up and to leave. but the attendees don't have to listen. And you can't block an entrance, and you can't punch people. that's illegal.
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NurseRedHeart
09/14/17 11:31:56 PM
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Solid Snake07
09/14/17 11:34:01 PM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Yeah...... it kind of does. What have you ever heard him say that is so stupid?


...that part about if you graduate high school you won't be poor. if he believes that, he's a moron



Do you have a clip of this? Id need to hear it on context
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AlternativeFAQS
09/14/17 11:34:34 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Yeah...... it kind of does. What have you ever heard him say that is so stupid?


...that part about if you graduate high school you won't be poor. if he believes that, he's a moron



Do you have a clip of this? Id need to hear it on context

he just said it live. watch the beginning of the speech
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/14/17 11:36:08 PM
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You have the right to listen or not listen. If you don't want to listen, stay home and masturbate to hentai, Little Ponies or whatever the fuck masturbate to. What you don't have the right to do is attack people or physically block people.

The left is too infantile to understand this point.
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Solid Snake07
09/14/17 11:37:13 PM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
Yeah...... it kind of does. What have you ever heard him say that is so stupid?


...that part about if you graduate high school you won't be poor. if he believes that, he's a moron



Do you have a clip of this? Id need to hear it on context

he just said it live. watch the beginning of the speech



I don't really have time to watch his speech, but if you know a timestamp I'll check it out
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Tryhaptaward
09/14/17 11:40:07 PM
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dumbass literally tried saying children don't have rights...
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lilORANG
09/14/17 11:41:31 PM
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Tryhaptaward posted...
dumbass literally tried saying children don't have rights...

yeah, idk what that was about lol.
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/14/17 11:42:52 PM
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This dude is telling his life story.
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Tryhaptaward
09/14/17 11:43:06 PM
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This next question is just a dude reciting his blog lmao
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Zeeak4444
09/14/17 11:48:39 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
You think he ever will?

idk, I think he's done shows here and there. He went on the Joe Rogan podcast, which was reasonably interesting because it was more like a coversation, but Joe still doesn't really push him on anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTfyjhvfH8


Yeah, I see what you mean there.

I wonder if he would accept one if offered. I assume no ones called him out or anything publically?
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/14/17 11:54:09 PM
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A black guy being called a Nazi because he wants to listens to what other people has to say. What a world we live in.

The left is truly loony.
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Zeeak4444
09/14/17 11:55:41 PM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
He's been on CNN/Fox before.

The awful interview with Piers Morgan, good grief.


Oh really? I'll have to look it up I suppose.

How big is this guys influence? I figured he was relatively minor based on what I saw on CE.
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mD_atheist
09/14/17 11:58:06 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
lilORANG posted...
littlebro07 posted...
lilORANG posted...
dude just said if you get a job you won't be poor lol


lolwut

"The three rules for living in America
1) graduate HS
2) get married before having babies
3) get a job

Do these things and you won't be poor"

pretty close to a direct quote.


Is he trying to portray an idiot



https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/CreatinganOpportunitySociety1.pdf
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Tryhaptaward
09/15/17 12:00:30 AM
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This last fucking dude, smh
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Lightsasori
09/15/17 12:01:09 AM
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I disagree with a lot of what Ben Shapiro has to say as well, but honestly I'll take him over people like Milo because he's much more level headed and can articulate his thoughts much better than other right wingers. I can't watch his stream right now, but I will eventually watch it.
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The Great Muta 22
09/15/17 12:02:49 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
You think he ever will?


I know I saw him on one if the CNN shows when I was flipping through recently, but the only one I usually watch is Smerconish but I don't think it was him.

It may have actually been on Don Lemons show
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lilORANG
09/15/17 12:04:19 AM
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lol the newscaster after it ended

"there was a liberal but they believed in free speech!"
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Bad_Mojo
09/15/17 12:05:26 AM
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Who was the trans-woman/man who put their hand around his neck and threatened to beat him up?
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Nomadic View
09/15/17 12:08:53 AM
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lilORANG posted...
littlebro07 posted...
lilORANG posted...
dude just said if you get a job you won't be poor lol


lolwut

"The three rules for living in America
1) graduate HS
2) get married before having babies
3) get a job

Do these things and you won't be poor"

pretty close to a direct quote.


Yeah, the overwhelming majority of people that follow those three concepts live above the poverty line.
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Capn Circus
09/15/17 12:15:34 AM
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Now we have this person speaking outside, LIVE STREAM, saying she is emotionally terrified by the speaker. ***edit and she just called Ben Shapiro a Nazi. lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thb_utvS-Bk

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lilORANG
09/15/17 12:15:38 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
lilORANG posted...
littlebro07 posted...
lilORANG posted...
dude just said if you get a job you won't be poor lol


lolwut

"The three rules for living in America
1) graduate HS
2) get married before having babies
3) get a job

Do these things and you won't be poor"

pretty close to a direct quote.


Yeah, the overwhelming majority of people that follow those three concepts live above the poverty line.


It's a pretty good example of correlation not equaling causation
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Bad_Mojo
09/15/17 12:32:00 AM
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Lightsasori
09/15/17 12:34:42 AM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
Who was the trans-woman/man who put their hand around his neck and threatened to beat him up?


That is funnily enough the father of the NBC reporter this week whining about how Trump emotionally scarred her. Weak family.

Lightsasori posted...
I disagree with a lot of what Ben Shapiro has to say as well, but honestly I'll take him over people like Milo because he's much more level headed and can articulate his thoughts much better than other right wingers. I can't watch his stream right now, but I will eventually watch it.


Milo is aslo good at articulating his views but unlike Shapiro, he goes out of his way to milk the outrage culture of today which ultimately has people take him less serious. That and Milo is fucking dreadful off-script. Was nice enough when I met him though (if only due to my own debate about Islam).


What sucks too is that I agree more with Milo then I do with Shapiro.

Anyways Milo is probably a nice guy in real life (I have met him once when he went to my college) but the persona he puts up is fucking awful. Like he's the definition of an edgelord, doing things so he can get a response. Like he's good when he talks about he anti-SJW stuff like feminism and Islam, but good god he's stupid about other topics like atheism and how he shills so hard for the Catholic Church.

Speaking of the catholic church, you know the funniest part about Milo's career going down the shitter? He wasn't taken down because he was silenced, he was taking down because he said stupid shit. Let stupid people talk and eventually their own words can be there downfall, something SJW's have yet to fucking realized.
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Capn Circus
09/15/17 12:35:45 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Why is someone getting carried out on a stretcher?


Not sure, but one girl just yelled, "That's what happens when you're a Nazi!" -- I don't even know if she knows what happened, but she's obviously very misguided.

My guess is it was not a leftist being assaulted.
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Bad_Mojo
09/15/17 12:36:21 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Why is someone getting carried out on a stretcher?


Wow, someone yelled, "That's what you get for being a Nazi!," at the guy

*Ninja'ed!
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Bad_Mojo
09/15/17 12:37:54 AM
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As much as I would like to watch this, I have Big Brother to go catch up on before I head back to bed
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Capn Circus
09/15/17 12:38:12 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
Why is someone getting carried out on a stretcher?


Wow, someone yelled, "That's what you get for being a Nazi!," at the guy

*Ninja'ed!


More evidence of the tolerant left. They're so great.
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Lightsasori
09/15/17 12:38:47 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
Why is someone getting carried out on a stretcher?


Not sure, but one girl just yelled, "That's what happens when you're a Nazi!" -- I don't even know if she knows what happened, but she's obviously very misguided.

My guess is it was not a leftist being assaulted.


That's fucking terrible.
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Glass_Phantom
09/15/17 12:45:46 AM
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It seems like nothing much happened at this speaking event, and this thread is mostly serving as a forum for right wing posters to put down liberals for things hardly any of us believe in that no one actually did tonight.
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Bishop9800
09/15/17 12:46:14 AM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
It seems like nothing much happened at this speaking event, and this thread is mostly serving as a forum for right wing posters to put down liberals for things hardly any of us believe in that no one actually did tonight.

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Gimmick
09/15/17 12:48:41 AM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
he is one of the smartest active political commentators.


...no

Nice retort you've got there
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Zeeak4444
09/15/17 12:51:24 AM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
He's been on CNN/Fox before.

The awful interview with Piers Morgan, good grief.


Oh really? I'll have to look it up I suppose.

How big is this guys influence? I figured he was relatively minor based on what I saw on CE.


A lot of conservatives follow him (particularly younger ones) as I said because he articulates his views a lot better than most. Besides him and Crowder (I guess) there really isn't much available to younger conservatives who would rather not be associated with Alex Jones or the like.
I tend to watch a lot of different media, very far left to anything far-right and everything in-between that doesn't become white/black supremacy and I identify center.

With the Piers Morgan/Shapiro exchange (about guns), I don't like guns, we haven't had a major issue with them in Australia since the buyback.
That being said Piers has the most elitist preachy view on the matter and he appropriately gets wrecked for it by Shapiro ( and again, I'm very against guns which Shapiro was for). Hard to explain without watching it.

Posted with my mobile, likely contains a shitload of errors.


That made perfect sense. I just watched his fox one from yesterday I'll have to watch Piers next.

I agree he has a ton of charisma. He's far better than most I've seen. I tend to try and watch as much different media as I can too but the way CE talked about him I thought he was like Richard Spencer or something.
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Capn Circus
09/15/17 12:55:08 AM
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Glass_Phantom posted...
It seems like nothing much happened at this speaking event, and this thread is mostly serving as a forum for right wing posters to put down liberals for things hardly any of us believe in that no one actually did tonight.


Not tonight, because Berkeley (the college and city) had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep Antifa from assaulting people and burning down the campus. People have already been arrested, and one person was carried off on a stretcher. The night is still young, but due to the money spent---I think it will be relatively calm compared to the past.

It's a travesty tax dollars have to be wasted because people get violent over speakers coming to campuses.
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Zeeak4444
09/15/17 12:55:37 AM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
That made perfect sense. I just watched his fox one from yesterday I'll have to watch Piers next.


The one with Piers is annoying, and as I said, in terms of guns I even side with Peirs in that exchange (on an ideological level) but the way he presents his arguments, does his usual hit pieces and tries to talk over him.... I was glad to see him destroyed.

Only worse example was his stupid interview (Piers) with Tommy Robinson, that was grotesque.


I can't stand Piers myself. I doubt I'll probably listen to Sharpio much either but I gotta give him credit as a speaker. Some of his insight is really good too.

Some of it is really misguided though. It's a mixed bag but he's miles ahead of anything I've really heard lately from either side and that's pretty sad...
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DirkDiggles
09/15/17 1:17:33 AM
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emblem boy
09/15/17 2:47:22 AM
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Was the speech or QA worth listening to?
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emblem boy
09/15/17 3:21:48 AM
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When Shapiro talks about the left, does he mean the far left, and not simply the liberals and the Democrats? Or does he equate them all together?
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emblem boy
09/15/17 4:03:36 AM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
emblem boy posted...
When Shapiro talks about the left, does he mean the far left, and not simply the liberals and the Democrats? Or does he equate them all together?


From what I've seen in the past he uses the term leftist to refer to the regressive left, which is why he tends to avoid using the term liberal (which he himself states he doesn't mean logical liberals).

Rather the ones that whine about safe spaces, white privilege and wanna censor everything.


I've been listening to the talk and QA section and he seems to be equating the both of them.

And even if he isn't, I hope he does clearly state that more. Because his arguments against the far left would pretty much be the same arguments against the far right, with things like identity politics, violence, etc.
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PlsGodDontBanMe
09/15/17 4:21:30 AM
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DirkDiggles posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF8-PtXJ8G0


rofl


Holy fuck
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TommyG663513
09/15/17 10:31:58 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Question and Answer time now. A true forum of open discussion and freedom of speech.

It's a real shame some people on this board support and sympathize with violence to get these events shut down.


Free speech does not entitle you to speak to an auditorium of people. That is something we would call a privilege.


No, this certainly falls under freedom of speech. Berkeley is a public university that receives public funds, and has student organizations that invite speakers such as Shapiro to come and speak. They have speakers from the left speak all of the time (shocking: there aren't violent conservatives stopping them from speaking)

When Antifa and other leftists produce violence and obstruct people from entering venues and create an unsafe environment, it is obstructing freedom of speech.


Um no. Again, free speech does not entitle you to speak to a group of people in an auditorium. A speaker getting shut down due to protests also attracts media attention. When Milo got blocked from speaking his book sales went up. Students attempting to shut these speakers down tend to cause an ironic effect where they increase the ability of a speaker to reach a bigger audience with their ideas sometimes in written form.

Basically, these protests only end up giving the speakers more attention regardless of the protestors intentions.
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