Current Events > I'm starting to think Smash Bros Switch will be a sequel and not a remaster

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why
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

why

Because it literally makes no sense whatsoever.
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but why
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yeah but i dont like the switch

plus it is basically a hybrid console
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

yeah but i dont like the switch

plus it is basically a hybrid console

The fact that it's a hybrid is why they're not making a new console or handheld anytime soon.
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man that sucks


I wish the rumors were anywhere near true and we were getting a powerful nintendo console
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I think they often have a new Nintendo Direct in October and January. I think January is the last possible chance for a Smash Bros remaster to be announced. I'll be 100% convinced it'll be a sequel if we go past then without an announcement.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

ForestLogic posted...

The only thing though is even if they do start the hype train as early as next year, nothing will ever match the hype of the last game.

Like, outside of Master Chief or Goku there's nothing they can do that will top the lineup of the last game.
(No, Ridley or Inklings aren't even close)

Simon/Alucard, Ryu Hayabusa, Chocobo, King K Rool, Dixie, Tails, Ice Climbers, Sora, Dark Samus, Snake, etc

Imagine thinking any of those are on the same level as the Cloud announcement. Lol.

Like imagine gamefaqs imploding with everyone going OH MY GOD DID YOU GUYS HEAR IT FINALLY HAPPENED THEY'RE PUTTIN THE INCREDIBLY POPULAR K ROOL INTO SMASH

And I say that as a massive DK fan.
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Also @TC

While it would be fantastic to see characters like Ryu and Cloud get new trailers returning for the next game, I really don't think we'll be seeing them back. Like, the fact the nature of the characters required them to come in as expensive DLC probably means the licensing fees were outrageous. Unless you wanna pay like $80 for Smash 5, I wouldn't hold my breath to see that legendary roster ever coming back :/
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ForestLogic posted...

Also @TC

While it would be fantastic to see characters like Ryu and Cloud get new trailers returning for the next game, I really don't think we'll be seeing them back. Like, the fact the nature of the characters required them to come in as expensive DLC probably means the licensing fees were outrageous. Unless you wanna pay like $80 for Smash 5, I wouldn't hold my breath to see that legendary roster ever coming back :/

Cloud could go either way but I think Ryu is pretty likely. Mega Man was there day one. They're both Capcom. But yeah it might be tough juggling Sega, Capcom and Square-Enix within the one game.

I think a lot of the DLC mindset was trying to get characters people really wanted to buy. If it was just the Fire Emblem characters and some random Nintendo characters that weren't important enough to make the roster already I doubt as many people would have bought them.
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Darmik posted...

This could have been sacrificed to get a solid port out close to launch but we're starting to get past that stage now.

It's because Nintendo is spacing their games out a lot more. And like I already said, with Mario Odyssey it would be silly of them to bring out Smash to directly compete with it sales wise and release it within a month of the first full 3D Mario game since Galaxy. That would just cannibalize their sales. If it were 2018 or a year without a big Holiday release you would have a point, but as it stands there are plenty of reasons why it isn't releasing yet.

Again, the only 2018 titles they've revealed have been seemingly very early 2018 titles, and two titles teased due to backlash.

Darmik posted...

A lot of people predicted tons of Wii U and 3DS ports for the first year and there's barely been any. The longer the wait the less these are really needed.

I mean, literally ALL we know of coming this year was announced back at the initial Switch reveal even in January. I think your problem is that you're expecting them to reveal things quick and fast when they are clearly taking their time with this thing. Though as is, we do have three Wii U ports coming this year, so it would be no surprise if even more come next year.

Darmik posted...

That same development team? I thought they co-developed it with SORA too.

According to Sakurai and information revealed from the dev team, a majority of them were from Namco Bandai. SORA seemingly took a backseat with the exception of Sakurai.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

It's because Nintendo is spacing their games out a lot more. And like I already said, with Mario Odyssey it would be silly of them to bring out Smash to directly compete with it sales wise and release it within a month of the first full 3D Mario game since Galaxy. That would just cannibalize their sales. If it were 2018 or a year without a big Holiday release you would have a point, but as it stands there are plenty of reasons why it isn't releasing yet.

Again, the only 2018 titles they've revealed have been seemingly very early 2018 titles, and two titles teased due to backlash.

It's not just because they're not releasing it this year. It's because they're not talking about it as well. I mentioned already that I think if it's not announced by January it's not coming. Even a Smash Bros release late next year is probably a generous enough window to plan a sequel instead of a port. I think they probably could have fit a Smash 4 Deluxe in December fine too but they didn't bother.

These decisions would have been made last year right? Maybe even earlier? Would they really spend two years just to wait/develop a Deluxe version of Smash 4 when they could get a sequel underway?

You've gotta think long term too. Would a Smash port in 2018 make a bigger impact than a sequel in 2019/2020?

Terra-enforcer posted...

I mean, literally ALL we know of coming this year was announced back at the initial Switch reveal even in January. I think your problem is that you're expecting them to reveal things quick and fast when they are clearly taking their time with this thing. Though as is, we do have three Wii U ports coming this year, so it would be no surprise if even more come next year.

They also announced Kirby and Yoshi for early 2018 as well. E3 2017 would have been fine to announce a Smash port. I think most people were expecting them to. Yet they didn't. Still nothing has been said.

Terra-enforcer posted...

According to Sakurai and information revealed from the dev team, a majority of them were from Namco Bandai. SORA seemingly took a backseat with the exception of Sakurai.

I suppose it's hard to say then. I think it would be odd for Nintendo to not have some sort of team ready for Sakurai's next game though. Whether that's Smash 5 or something else.
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I mean I def agree. If it's not announced by announced by January, I don't think it's coming. What's odd though is that I recall hearing about how Namco posted a job opening on their site in like 2015 looking for staff to make the next Smash. Presumably if that was real I can't see them starting development in a brand new entry that soon after...
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Hopefully it has all the DLC on it
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ForestLogic posted...

I mean I def agree. If it's not announced by announced by January, I don't think it's coming. What's odd though is that I recall hearing about how Namco posted a job opening on their site in like 2015 looking for staff to make the next Smash. Presumably if that was real I can't see them starting development in a brand new entry that soon after...

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/07/report-bandai-namco-recruiting-smash-bros-game-coming-2015/?

Do you mean this?

Job ad is weird. Smash 3DS/Wii U didn't release in 2015 but clearly whatever the Switch version is didn't either. Could be an ad for the DLC maybe.
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Darmik posted...

These decisions would have been made last year right? Maybe even earlier? Would they really spend two years just to wait/develop a Deluxe version of Smash 4 when they could get a sequel underway?

Because of what I've literally been repeating this entire time. Because they haven't announced anything else coming out this year since the initial announcement (and the two 2018 titles they announced are likely early Q1 titles). Because this Nintendo seems to wait a lot longer before announcing releases, especially big ones. Because it could cannibalize the hype of games coming out this year. And you're still ignoring the fact that a port next year wouldn't be much longer than the Mario Kart port. You also ask would Nintendo "wait" when Nintendo has been waiting for a while now because of the Switch. They waited on doing things on home console for a little over a YEAR in 2016. We all know Mother 3 is coming and yet we still haven't heard from it three years after they teased it. Feels like I'm literally just repeating myself again and again because you're ignoring the points I make.


And a port with new characters, stages, trophies, modes, etc would do just as well as a "sequel" because

1) it's Smash and Smash sells (did Mario Kart Deluxe being a port stop it from selling huge numbers? Nope), and

2) like I've repeated feels like half a dozen times now, Smash 4 is already packed with content, and the additions I mentioned is what most would expect from a sequel of a game anyway. What a majority of people expect from Smash Switch is a LOT more than what Splatoon 2 added in it's supposed "full sequel."

Darmik posted...

They also announced Kirby and Yoshi for early 2018 as well. E3 2017 would have been fine to announce a Smash port. I think most people were expecting them to. Yet they didn't. Still nothing has been said.

That's because those two games are almost certainly early 2018 (like Q1). And I said games releasing this year, because it wouldn't make sense to ever think they'd release Smash port this year considering that and everything else.

Darmik posted...

I suppose it's hard to say then. I think it would be odd for Nintendo to not have some sort of team ready for Sakurai's next game though. Whether that's Smash 5 or something else.

They probably do have them ready for something else, just seemingly not a Smash sequel. Sakurai is supposed to be working on another project right now, so it's likely just that.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Because of what I've literally been repeating this entire time. Because they haven't announced anything else coming out this year since the initial announcement. Because this Nintendo seems to wait a lot longer before announcing releases, especially big ones. Because it could cannibalize the hype of games coming out this year. And you're still ignoring the fact that a port next year wouldn't be much longer than the Mario Kart port. Feels like I'm literally just repeating myself again and again because you're ignoring the points I make.

I'm not ignoring the points you make. I've already responded to them.
1. Mario Kart 8 was a launch window port
2. Mario Kart 8 team worked on ARMS instead of a Mario Kart sequel

I can see something like Bayonetta/Wonderful 101 ports having a really short announcement to release window. Smash Bros seems less likely to do this. The only real explanation that makes sense is that they're saving it for their online service reveal. If this doesn't pan out and I don't think it's happening.

Terra-enforcer posted...

2) like I've repeated feels like half a dozen times now, Smash 4 is already packed with content, and the additions I mentioned is what most would expect from a sequel of a game anyway. What a majority of people expect from Smash Switch is a LOT more than what Splatoon 2 added in it's supposed "full sequel."

Haha what on Earth are you talking about? Aren't most people expecting all of the 3DS/Wii U stages/characters/modes with the odd new character and stage? What are you expecting?

I'm no idea why you're so adamant that it's a port anyway. I have never completely ruled it out. All I'm saying is that the further they go without announcing it the less likely it's happening.

Early this year I thought it was a certainty. Now I'm at 50/50. If it still isn't announced late this year/January I'm gonna be expecting a sequel instead of a port. What's controversial about that?
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ForestLogic posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

ForestLogic posted...

The only thing though is even if they do start the hype train as early as next year, nothing will ever match the hype of the last game.

Like, outside of Master Chief or Goku there's nothing they can do that will top the lineup of the last game.
(No, Ridley or Inklings aren't even close)

Simon/Alucard, Ryu Hayabusa, Chocobo, King K Rool, Dixie, Tails, Ice Climbers, Sora, Dark Samus, Snake, etc

Imagine thinking any of those are on the same level as the Cloud announcement. Lol.

Like imagine gamefaqs imploding with everyone going OH MY GOD DID YOU GUYS HEAR IT FINALLY HAPPENED THEY'RE PUTTIN THE INCREDIBLY POPULAR K ROOL INTO SMASH

And I say that as a massive DK fan.

Snake and Ice Climbers would be a pretty big deal just because they were already in Smash and most people weren't happy with their removal.

I think Simon Belmont would probably be one of their best possible options for new characters though. Especially now with the Castlevania Netflix show maybe thrusting the series into the spotlight a bit more.
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Darmik posted...

The only real explanation that makes sense is that they're saving it for their online service reveal. If this doesn't pan out and I don't think it's happening.

This ultimately is what I'm thinking would be what held back Smash being announced. They want something to REALLY convince people to finally pay for online Nintendo games. And no offense to Splatoon, but it alone isn't worth it.

Like, yeah they don't want to cannibalize games like Pokken and ARMS but the fact online was delayed till next year is the thing that sticks out to me.

Either way like I said I REALLY hope that's the case. I don't want to wait another three years to play Smash on Switch :(
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I hope not. Smash 4 was trash and barebone as fuck.

@Darmik

You gotta answer my question from before then. This board, the Smash 4 board, Switch board, Wii U board, neogaf, and Reddit all have a majority of people expecting a port with more characters, stages, etc. So basically the same as what your sequel would be, and also like I said, a lot more than Splatoon 2 added in the sequel.

Your counter to my logic in using the MK8 as a comparison point still doesn't work for reasons I've stated. That's why I said you ignored my explanation because you still have. My response would be the same as what I already said to you. You also ignored seemingly most of what I used as evidence against a haphazard announcement this early as well.

The only reason I'm "adamant" is because I'm not ignoring the facts like you seem to be doing. Plus you still haven't answered my question. What would a sequel add? More modes, characters, stages etc? That's what most people expect anyway. Since their main dev team has other priorities now, it would make more sense in a lot of ways to add those things while calling it Smash for Switch

And now we have that Dutch leak that involved a recently removed official Nintendo survey that listed Smash for Switch in its list of upcoming games, so what I've been saying seems even more likely.

Terror-enforcer posted...

You gotta answer my question from before then. This board, the Smash 4 board, Switch board, Wii U board, neogaf, and Reddit all have a majority of people expecting a port with more characters, stages, etc. So basically the same as what your sequel would be, and also like I said, a lot more than Splatoon 2 added in the sequel.

What are you on about? Splatoon 2 had a completely new single player campaign, Salmon Run, new stages, new multiplayer changes to ranked and levelling up etc.

It's nothing like a deluxe version at all. It's a standard by the books sequel.

I already asked what YOU are expecting from a port. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe added battle mode and a couple of characters with nothing else. Splatoon 2 isn't just the exact same game as Splatoon with some new stages and weapons. That's the major difference.

Terror-enforcer posted...

Your counter to my logic in using the MK8 as a comparison point still doesn't work for reasons I've stated. That's why I said you ignored my explanation because you still have. My response would be the same as what I already said to you. You also ignored seemingly most of what I used as evidence against a haphazard announcement this early as well.

The only reason I'm "adamant" is because I'm not ignoring the facts like you seem to be doing. Plus you still haven't answered my question. What would a sequel add? More modes, characters, stages etc? That's what most people expect anyway. Since their main dev team has other priorities now, it would make more sense in a lot of ways to add those things while calling it Smash for Switch

You're so weird. There's no evidence of anything. We're just both speculating on what Nintendo will do. We have no idea what priorities the team has right now.

I've already spoke about what I think a sequel would be compared to a Deluxe Edition.
- New roster (which might have several removed characters with several new ones. Several characters changed too)
- New Classic mode
- New modes. No Smash Run and no Smash Tour
- Completely new stages with only a few returning from the entire franchise

Even if it used the same engine this clearly wouldn't be a port. If it was the same game as 3DS/Wii U with a couple of new characters and stages added on top that's a Deluxe Edition. Clearly there's a major difference between the two.

Terror-enforcer posted...

And now we have that Dutch leak that involved a recently removed official Nintendo survey that listed Smash for Switch in its list of upcoming games, so what I've been saying seems even more likely.

Nobody is doubting a Smash Bros game is coming on Switch lol. The question is if it's a port, a sequel and when it's coming.
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They should swap out half of the forty million FE sword users with lance and axe units.
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In my humble opinion, this is what a Hyper Super Smash Bros. Turbo. Tournament edition would be.

-Full roster plus DLC plus Inkling, Ice Climbers, and mayyyybe Spring Man?
-All the brand new stages in the 3DS and WiiU versions, plus maybe one or two new ones
-Smash Run, with a few variations of the map
-Some form of an adventure-esque mode somewhere between Adventure in Melee and Subspace Emissary
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ForestLogic posted...

In my humble opinion, this is what a Hyper Super Smash Bros. Turbo. Tournament edition would be.

-Full roster plus DLC plus Inkling, Ice Climbers, and mayyyybe Spring Man?
-All the brand new stages in the 3DS and WiiU versions, plus maybe one or two new ones
-Smash Run, with a few variations of the map
-Some form of an adventure-esque mode somewhere between Adventure in Melee and Subspace Emissary

Yeah that's what I'd expect too. Hell I'd be ecstatic if they added an adventure mode. Combining the stages for both versions with all DLC would mean it's pretty insane value. While that is an extremely compelling reason to release this version I suppose from a cynical business perspective that might be a reason why they won't.
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Remaster, sequel, either way its not a fighting game
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ForestLogic posted...

In my humble opinion, this is what a Hyper Super Smash Bros. Turbo. Tournament edition would be.

-Full roster plus DLC plus Inkling, Ice Climbers, and mayyyybe Spring Man?
-All the brand new stages in the 3DS and WiiU versions, plus maybe one or two new ones
-Smash Run, with a few variations of the map
-Some form of an adventure-esque mode somewhere between Adventure in Melee and Subspace Emissary

Spring Man? I mean if we're going to pick meme characters we might as well go with Green Biker Dude. >_>

But that all seems sweet. If we ever get an adventure mode, all I really ask is that they ditch those boring, generic enemies and go back to melee's themed levels. The level design being more like SSE would be great, but I don't care about Diet Heartless or whatever those weird things in 4 were.

Maybe they could even remake some classic boss-fights. The old Mario 1/Lost Levels bowser fights would lend themselves well to that kind of mode.
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AlisLandale posted...

Spring Man? I mean if we're going to pick meme characters we might as well go with Green Biker Dude. >_>

I mean ARMS sold over a million copies in its first month. Whether you like it or not, it's so far been a success, and Nintendo seems to be going all in on it with content support. I don't think that franchise is going away anytime soon.


Darmik posted...

Yeah that's what I'd expect too. Hell I'd be ecstatic if they added an adventure mode. Combining the stages for both versions with all DLC would mean it's pretty insane value. While that is an extremely compelling reason to release this version I suppose from a cynical business perspective that might be a reason why they won't.

The only reason I suspect we'd get something akin to an adventure mode is cuz, if supposedly they're working on this special edition for a couple years, they need something expansive to show for it, in the form of a new mode.
As someone brought up earlier, MK8 didn't have a ton of new content but Battle mode was one of the most requested missing features fans wanted back. The only thing Smash 4 really truly lacked was a solid single player offering, so I feel like Adventure fits that bill pretty nicely if MK8 is a barometer.

Know what actually? I could see instead of bringing back Smash Run, they expand it into an Adventure mode of sorts. Have you go through, I dunno, 10 different courses, each with a series theme to it, and a boss at the end. Your power ups can carry over stage to stage, and idk, give Master Hand yet another new form or something at the end.

(Also when I said combining stages, I mean ONLY the exclusive stages for 3ds and Wii U. No retro stages, outside of a handful. Obviously to have that many, some would need to be cut.)
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ForestLogic posted...

I mean ARMS sold over a million copies in its first month. Whether you like it or not, it's so far been a success, and Nintendo seems to be going all in on it with content support. I don't think that franchise is going away anytime soon.

Oh, forgot ARMs existed. Thought you meant this guy:


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I thought the same thing at first.

But for the record, GBD would be the best addition to the roster possible.
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How in the... Lol. Come on guys. Why you gotta be dat way.
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AlisLandale posted...

Oh sweet spring man
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Smash Bros "for Switch" as I called it even before the leak would imply that it would most likely be a port in the same vein as "for Wii U" and "for 3DS."

Terror-enforcer posted...

Smash Bros "for Switch" as I called it even before the leak would imply that it would most likely be a port in the same vein as "for Wii U" and "for 3DS."

It doesn't imply anything because Nintendo label games that don't have final titles like that. Look at Yoshi, Kirby, Fire Emblem and Pokemon.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170726_2e.pdf

It also wasn't a leak. It was a question on a survey.
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Darmik posted...

Terror-enforcer posted...

Smash Bros "for Switch" as I called it even before the leak would imply that it would most likely be a port in the same vein as "for Wii U" and "for 3DS."

It doesn't imply anything because Nintendo label games that don't have final titles like that. Look at Yoshi, Kirby, Fire Emblem and Pokemon.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170726_2e.pdf

It also wasn't a leak. It was a question on a survey.

That page is different from the survey though. The survey didn't say "for Switch" for the others. And it's still technically a leak since it was seemingly not supposed to be revealed.

As far as I can tell it was listed as a wrong answer for a question asking which colourful shooter comes out on July 21.

I think you're taking it too seriously.
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Not really. I never said this was concrete evidence. All I said was that this furthers my point. Though this seems pointless to begin with since you still don't seem to get the popular consensus on what a majority of people online seem to agree that Smash for Switch entails.