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Milkman5
08/02/17 7:47:52 PM
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they haven't clashed at all wtf.

Joe Rogan has agreed with Ben on every single point
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Milkman5
08/02/17 8:46:56 PM
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Joe Rogan is more red pilled than I thought and I watch him all the time
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lilORANG
08/02/17 9:08:56 PM
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Why wouldn't they agree? Joe is libertarian.
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twitterfriends
08/02/17 10:14:53 PM
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Joe should bring Scott Santens on sometime.
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Maeiv
08/02/17 10:16:09 PM
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Rogan rarely disagrees or argues with his guest.

Except Crowder, that was hilarious.

Though the Shermer, Hancock and Carlson podcast was difficult to listen.
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Milkman5
08/02/17 10:17:39 PM
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he argued with Sargon and Milo
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Sephiroth1288
08/02/17 10:18:53 PM
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Maeiv posted...
Rogan rarely disagrees or argues with his guest.

Except Crowder, that was hilarious.

NEVER tell Joe Rogan that marijuana may have drawbacks.
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08/02/17 10:19:08 PM
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Lol I remembered ethered the shit out of Chowder.
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Milkman5
08/02/17 10:20:31 PM
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btw he argued to Milo about Catholicism.
and he argued to Sargon about how he was saying the news media will shit on him for the vidcon event.

just elaborating. should have edited the earlier post probably
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iamintents
08/02/17 10:22:59 PM
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couldn't stand the sargon ep. it was like a parent scolding an edgy teen.
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sabin017
08/02/17 10:23:14 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTfyjhvfH8

90 minutes in and it's already the most substantive, level-headed discussion I've heard in a while (on these topics, at least)
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Lightsasori
08/02/17 10:29:07 PM
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Ben is just more level headed and mature than milo and sargon. Anyways that was a pretty awesome podcast, i would be agreeing a lot with what ben said as well.
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Milkman5
08/02/17 10:32:54 PM
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iamintents posted...
couldn't stand the sargon ep. it was like a parent scolding an edgy teen.


Sargon is the case of people only caring what he says because he has a British accent and he picks on people who are generally very very stupid (Anita Sarkeesian)

So it's really easy to come off as intelligent when you only criticize some of the dumbest people on the planet
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lww99
08/02/17 10:36:11 PM
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Would love to start now, but just gonna watch it tomorrow when I can watch all the way through. I watch JRE pretty much daily, and have been wondering if he would bring Shapiro on.
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justaguy3492
08/02/17 10:57:49 PM
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He keeps mentioning the suicide rate of trans people, but he never considers that it could be societies treatment of trans people that accounts for the higher suicide rate.
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cerealbox760
08/02/17 11:18:34 PM
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Id vote Republican if they were all like Ben. Republicans have been hijacked with a bunch of clowns that it makes it easy to vote left.
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Sephiroth1288
08/02/17 11:27:03 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
He keeps mentioning the suicide rate of trans people, but he never considers that it could be societies treatment of trans people that accounts for the higher suicide rate.

If it were, then we would have seen similar suicide rates with gays the past few decades, right? But we didn't. Ditto with black people; whites have always committed suicide at a higher rate than the unarguably most oppressed class in US history.

So Ben's 100% correct. There is an element to gender dysphoria that confers a high suicide rate.
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Fill_Kessel
08/02/17 11:29:57 PM
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I've said it once, I've said it a million times.

Ben Shapiro is a troll and shit poster of such a shocking degree that I would be surprised if he didn't post on GameFAQs.

I've said that twice.
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MakoReizei
08/02/17 11:30:23 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
He keeps mentioning the suicide rate of trans people, but he never considers that it could be societies treatment of trans people that accounts for the higher suicide rate.

wouldn't there then be high rates of suicide among black people, jews, and others who historically been mistreated by society?
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Milkman5
08/02/17 11:30:53 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
He keeps mentioning the suicide rate of trans people, but he never considers that it could be societies treatment of trans people that accounts for the higher suicide rate.


No, Joe brings it up
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Milkman5
08/02/17 11:31:50 PM
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Joe brings up the point and Ben acknowledges that he heard it, but essentially says there's no evidence to suggest that
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
08/02/17 11:34:32 PM
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Off topic but he owns the daily wire right? There shit pops up on my fb feed and I must have hit follow along time ago. The articles are on a barely functional site but from what I read they're all slant pieces that are awful but the commenters are probably the dumbest people Ive ever met.
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Sephiroth1288
08/02/17 11:36:58 PM
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Fill_Kessel posted...
I've said it once, I've said it a million times.

Ben Shapiro is a troll and s*** poster of such a shocking degree that I would be surprised if he didn't post on GameFAQs.

Looks like someone's triggered by facts.
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justaguy3492
08/02/17 11:38:45 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
He keeps mentioning the suicide rate of trans people, but he never considers that it could be societies treatment of trans people that accounts for the higher suicide rate.

If it were, then we would have seen similar suicide rates with gays the past few decades, right? But we didn't. Ditto with black people; whites have always committed suicide at a higher rate than the unarguably most oppressed class in US history.

So Ben's 100% correct. There is an element to gender dysphoria that confers a high suicide rate.


That's kinda simplifying different groups struggles to "the struggle" though, different groups have different experiences in society. The number may not be 40%, but many of those groups have higher suicide rates than the "norm". I'm not saying that having to reconcile having a man's body but feeling like a woman doesn't cause mental stress, but I think to attribute the suicide rate solely to just being trans is wrong.
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Milkman5
08/02/17 11:40:22 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Off topic but he owns the daily wire right? There shit pops up on my fb feed and I must have hit follow along time ago. The articles are on a barely functional site but from what I read they're all slant pieces that are awful but the commenters are probably the dumbest people Ive ever met.


Yeah, I wouldn't read that stuff if I were you
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Sephiroth1288
08/02/17 11:45:44 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...

That's kinda simplifying different groups struggles to "the struggle" though, different groups have different experiences in society. The number may not be 40%, but many of those groups have higher suicide rates than the "norm". I'm not saying that having to reconcile having a man's body but feeling like a woman doesn't cause mental stress, but I think to attribute the suicide rate solely to just being trans is wrong.

Gay people, until relatively recently, were similarly shamed by society, rejected by their families, and called sinful from every pulpit. Their suicide rate never even approached 20%, and today the suicide rate is less than 10%.

Meanwhile, in an age where population is largely secular and the media is pushing a pro-trans message so fervently that Caitlyn Jenner was declared "woman of the year" despite not even being a woman for a full year at that point, the transgender suicide rate still hangs around 40%.

You can't say with any honesty that there isn't some terrible element of transgenderism that needs some serious treatment. Not if you actually care about people's lives.
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lilORANG
08/02/17 11:47:48 PM
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why are they still conflating gender and sex?
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Fill_Kessel
08/02/17 11:49:02 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Fill_Kessel posted...
I've said it once, I've said it a million times.

Ben Shapiro is a troll and s*** poster of such a shocking degree that I would be surprised if he didn't post on GameFAQs.

Looks like someone's triggered by facts.

I'm triggered by little pukes that lie and post garbage.

I am feeling kinda triggered the ATM tbh
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Dash_Harber
08/02/17 11:50:40 PM
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Is Joe Rogan like a right wing commentator now? I've noticed, he mostly has ultra-left wing fringe loud mouths on his shows lately.
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Sephiroth1288
08/02/17 11:50:50 PM
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Fill_Kessel posted...
I'm triggered by little pukes that lie and post garbage.

So what'd he lie about
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justaguy3492
08/02/17 11:52:12 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Meanwhile, in an age where population is largely secular and the media is pushing a pro-trans message so fervently that Caitlyn Jenner was declared "woman of the year" despite not even being a woman for a full year at that point, the transgender suicide rate still hangs around 40%.


You bring up Caitlyn winning an arbitrary award, I can bring you up countless articles of trans folks facing violence. I'm not exactly sure the award cancels out the fear of being assaulted daily. I'd also argue that telling them they have a mental disorder when they just want to fix what they see as a problem so that they can be happy goes against that pursuit of happiness.

All I'm saying is you can't make jump and say that the number is only that high because they are trans and no outside factors. Like I said, I'm sure that identity crisis does cause mental anguish, but I don't think that's all of it.
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Fill_Kessel
08/02/17 11:54:14 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Fill_Kessel posted...
I'm triggered by little pukes that lie and post garbage.

So what'd he lie about

www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/04/04/ben-shapiro-economic-globalization/

It should not be surprising that in Trump's America, idiots worship idiots.
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Rida_Go_To_Bed
08/02/17 11:56:54 PM
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Who do you guys think is going to be guest #1000?

I have a feeling it's going to be OJ Simpson. The entire conversation will be a bit dull and boring, and the 2h 45m mark, OJ asks Young Jaimie to exit the room. He then looks Joe dead in the eyes and says "I did it Joe. I did it and you are next"
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Esrac
08/03/17 12:07:48 AM
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justaguy3492 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Meanwhile, in an age where population is largely secular and the media is pushing a pro-trans message so fervently that Caitlyn Jenner was declared "woman of the year" despite not even being a woman for a full year at that point, the transgender suicide rate still hangs around 40%.


You bring up Caitlyn winning an arbitrary award, I can bring you up countless articles of trans folks facing violence. I'm not exactly sure the award cancels out the fear of being assaulted daily. I'd also argue that telling them they have a mental disorder when they just want to fix what they see as a problem so that they can be happy goes against that pursuit of happiness.

All I'm saying is you can't make jump and say that the number is only that high because they are trans and no outside factors. Like I said, I'm sure that identity crisis does cause mental anguish, but I don't think that's all of it.


It probably isn't all of it, but it is probably most of the reason. Sure, trans people deal with discrimination, but so do other minority groups who don't approach nearly the same suicide rates despite having faced extremely poor treatment by society at large.

It seems to me that the constant, unending discomfort in their own bodies and the toll that takes on their mental well being probably has a lot more to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if the effects of hormone therapy on the brain also play a role.
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lilORANG
08/03/17 12:10:50 AM
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Esrac posted...
It probably isn't all of it, but it is probably most of the reason. Sure, trans people deal with discrimination, but so do other minority groups who don't approach nearly the same suicide rates despite having faced extremely poor treatment by society at large.

Something else to consider is de facto segregation. Yes, racial minorities deal with discrimination, but they also often live in communities of like people. There aren't communities of transgender people, who are dealing with issues as an outlier in society.


But I also lol'd when Ben tried to push back about Rs being the anti-science party. That criticism is directed more often at religious fundies and global warming deniers. Not guys like Ben.
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Sephiroth1288
08/03/17 12:18:00 AM
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justaguy3492 posted...
You bring up Caitlyn winning an arbitrary award, I can bring you up countless articles of trans folks facing violence. I'm not exactly sure the award cancels out the fear of being assaulted daily. I'd also argue that telling them they have a mental disorder when they just want to fix what they see as a problem so that they can be happy goes against that pursuit of happiness.

All I'm saying is you can't make jump and say that the number is only that high because they are trans and no outside factors. Like I said, I'm sure that identity crisis does cause mental anguish, but I don't think that's all of it.

The gay population is the best population to compare them to though.

Similarly rejected by their families. Similarly rejected by society. In fact, gays even had a plague almost exclusive to them in the 70's and 80's. And even still, transgenders today have a higher suicide rate than gays did back in the AIDS crisis.

This is the point where you just need to accept that gender dysphoria has similar effects on the mind as depression. Marginalization simply isn't a sufficient explanation.
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Milkman5
08/03/17 12:18:53 AM
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Rida_Go_To_Bed posted...
Who do you guys think is going to be guest #1000?

I have a feeling it's going to be OJ Simpson. The entire conversation will be a bit dull and boring, and the 2h 45m mark, OJ asks Young Jaimie to exit the room. He then looks Joe dead in the eyes and says "I did it Joe. I did it and you are next"


lol I know Joe has been entertaining the idea for a while. I don't think OJ will ever admit he murdered those people.
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Sativa_Rose
08/03/17 12:20:02 AM
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OJ is still in jail until October
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ChainedRedone
08/03/17 12:20:25 AM
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Joe is a loser pothead. Clam Chowder owned him.
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muchdran
08/03/17 12:21:24 AM
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As a liberal I demand a trigger warning,
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Esrac
08/03/17 12:29:57 AM
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lilORANG posted...
Esrac posted...
It probably isn't all of it, but it is probably most of the reason. Sure, trans people deal with discrimination, but so do other minority groups who don't approach nearly the same suicide rates despite having faced extremely poor treatment by society at large.

Something else to consider is de facto segregation. Yes, racial minorities deal with discrimination, but they also often live in communities of like people. There aren't communities of transgender people, who are dealing with issues as an outlier in society.


But I also lol'd when Ben tried to push back about Rs being the anti-science party. That criticism is directed more often at religious fundies and global warming deniers. Not guys like Ben.


That's a fair point, but has probably changed in the era of social media.

Transgender people can now find like people to bond with in online communities (you can't swing a dead cat around Twitter or Tumblr without hitting a couple trans people). Probably even get together with trans people they find who live near by. It's not quite the same as it would've been 20 years ago where they'd essentially be totally isolated in hostile territory.
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RickyTheBAWSE
08/03/17 5:49:42 PM
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Joe Rogan isn't consistent with shit he says, lolololol.

still an amusing episode.
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TheoryzC
08/04/17 11:14:17 PM
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I dont agree with whole lot of what Shapiro says but he's a pretty level headed dude who has more shit of substance to say than people like Milo
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RickyTheBAWSE
08/05/17 3:47:14 PM
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TheoryzC posted...
I dont agree with whole lot of what Shapiro says but he's a pretty level headed dude who has more shit of substance to say than people like Milo


this.

he's young and still has plenty growing to do though.
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GAMER_X
08/05/17 9:21:14 PM
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People can say what they like, but Shapiro is the best debater out there by lightyears, and only deals in facts and logic, and will happily change his mind when presented valid evidence about a matter. Pretty much everyone on both sides should learn from the example he sets.
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