Poll of the Day > Texas has approved PADDLING for Teachers to PUNISH Kids this coming year!!!

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The South Texas School District has approved PADDLING for misbehaving children!!

The Three Rivers Independent School Board of Trustees voted unanimously 6-0 for corporal punishment where it is legal in the state of Texas and is defined as "deliberate infliction of physical pain by hitting, paddling, spanking, slapping or any other physical force used as a means of discipline"

Only a campus behaviour coordinator or principal can paddle the students

Parents will have to give written and verbal consent if their child is to be paddled or not when they register them to school this year

If they approved, a misbehaving child will get one paddling for his or her violation meaning being disobedient to teachers or not following classroom rules

But they said if a parent does not feel comfortable with it, then that's the end of discussion and will not force them to change their minds on it.

They believe that this punishment will reduce the number of discipline referrals and think it's a good thing as Andrew Amaro hopes that this will have a more immediate affect on misbehaving students

Texas is one of 19 states that allow corporate punishment in schools...

Do you trust a "Teacher" to "Paddle" a child? let's see if people do

The Evil Trustee Board -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/21/18/428F25CB00000578-4718878-image-a-20_1500657599210.jpg

Examples of Paddling -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/21/18/428F256300000578-4718878-image-a-24_1500657692135.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/21/18/428F259A00000578-4718878-image-a-23_1500657678136.jpg
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Approving paddlin'? that's a paddlin'.
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Physical discipline doesn't work. It makes the kid hate you and want to defy you even more. I should know! I was kicked out of catholic school as a kid because I smacked a nun with a stapler because she kept smacking my hands with a yard stick.
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Full Throttle posted...

The South Texas School District has approved PADDLING for misbehaving children!!

The Three Rivers Independent School Board of Trustees voted unanimously 6-0 for corporal punishment where it is legal in the state of Texas and is defined as "deliberate infliction of physical pain by hitting, paddling, spanking, slapping or any other physical force used as a means of discipline"

Not "Texas," one school district. Texas has had it legal, but not all school districts accept it.
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IceDragon77 posted...

Physical discipline doesn't work. It makes the kid hate you and want to defy you even more. I should know! I was kicked out of catholic school as a kid because I smacked a nun with a stapler because she kept smacking my hands with a yard stick.

Well my very own anecdotal experience proves otherwise.
I love my parents

tf is this shit
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I wouldn't trust teachers to do it.
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Your topic is on and poppin on 261, duckbear

you're welcome~
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Approved? We haven't even abolished it over here!

Of course, we use belts - not paddles
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My teacher whooped my ass good one time. Of course he was my dad too.
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aHappySacka posted...

Approving paddlin'? that's a paddlin'.

Came in for this.
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My school district (also in Texas) allowed paddling to be done by administration, but no one has done so since the 80s. While I was in high school there was a vote to strike the rule from the district policy, but they decided to keep it in for whatever reason.
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Since this is legally assault. The child could turn around and kill the teacher.
Something those 30k a year teachers should consider before taking the risk.
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I'm okay with this as long as the teachers can also be paddled if they do anything wrong. Say a teacher says something on social media that they shouldn't say, which happens all the time, instead of firing them the principal now gets to paddle them.

Fair

I support paddling, and just inflicting pain in general.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKiLfH3DVGc

SinisterSlay posted...

Since this is legally assault. The child could turn around and kill the teacher.

Uhhh...no?
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SinisterSlay posted...

Since this is legally assault

If you're going to make shit up, at least get the correct charge. It would be either battery or simple battery, not assault.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Since this is legally assault

If you're going to make shit up, at least get the correct charge. It would be either battery or simple battery, not assault.

Actually, in Texas assault and battery aren't separate charges

Texas Penal Code § 22.01, et seq.
Statutory Definition of Assault
A person commits an offense if the person:

Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;

Intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or


Intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

This is just going off memory from a law class I took a year ago, but I think the crime is elevated to aggravated assault if a weapon is used.


You're right that paddling isn't a crime, though. Certainly not one that justifies murder.
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MrMelodramatic posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Since this is legally assault

If you're going to make shit up, at least get the correct charge. It would be either battery or simple battery, not assault.

Actually, in Texas assault and battery aren't separate charges

Texas Penal Code § 22.01, et seq.
Statutory Definition of Assault
A person commits an offense if the person:

Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;

Intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or


Intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

This is just going off memory from a law class I took a year ago, but I think the crime is elevated to aggravated assault if a weapon is used.


You're right that paddling isn't a crime, though. Certainly not one that justifies murder.

Honestly, I was going off of the Georgia and California definitions of assault and they were almost identical so I pretty much assumed that Texas would be similar. People still say assault too much when it isn't applicable though.
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Yeah :b it's possible sinister didn't know assault and battery were the same and just said whichever he thought was right.

My professor used to say, "make sure you know your state's laws before you pick a fight. In Texas, you might as well hit the guy if you're going to threaten him. But in California, be careful about throwing punches."
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I approve of this. Some kids need it.
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King of the Hill was the first thing that came to my mind.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I approve of this. Some kids need it.

Agreed. Some kids need to have their ass spanked by their principal with a wooden paddle

Wait.. no..

MICHALCOLE posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

I approve of this. Some kids need it.

Agreed. Some kids need to have their ass spanked by their teacher with a wooden paddle

FTFY. I certainly did....in my sophomore english class.
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MICHALCOLE posted...

Wait.. no..

I'd rather the parents do it and would find it strange that the parent would agree for the teacher to discipline their kid this way without them actually doing it themselves but a lot of folk these days are way too soft on their kids thus the kid thinks it can get away with anything. It doesn't help that most laws these days enable kids to do whatever they want too.
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I came here for Paddlin' Peggy Hill

You don't think that's super fucking weird and an incredibly bad example to set? You don't think that teaches children that violence is not just okay, but okay for an adult to do to a child?

I just see this as completely wrong on so many levels.

MICHALCOLE posted...

You don't think that's super fucking weird and an incredibly bad example to set? You don't think that teaches children that violence is not just okay, but okay for an adult to do to a child?

I believe it teaches a kid that every action has a consequence. It's not teaching that you can go around and hit folk for no reason. It's teaching that if you step out of line then that's a possibility.
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No to violence to kids
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wwinterj25 posted...

MICHALCOLE posted...

You don't think that's super fucking weird and an incredibly bad example to set? You don't think that teaches children that violence is not just okay, but okay for an adult to do to a child?

I believe it teaches a kid that every action has a consequence. It's not teaching that you can go around and hit folk for no reason. It's teaching that if you step out of line then that's a possibility.

I feel like it teaches me that if you do something wrong I can hurt you for retribution. Or does this only apply to children? Doesn't that seem somehow even worse? You can only hurt children if they do something wrong?

Heeeeeell no
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SinisterSlay posted...

Since this is legally assault. The child could turn around and kill the teacher.
Something those 30k a year teachers should consider before taking the risk.

Few things:

1) It wouldn't "legally be assault" because assault is a crime whereas this is explicitly legal, so that's fucking wrong

2) You're generally not allowed to kill somebody in self defense over a minor assault, so that's also wrong.

3) The people administering the punishment aren't the teachers themselves, so you have the trifecta of being completely wrong.

Oh, plus their teachers likely make more than $30k/year and a lot of child are neither big enough nor strong enough to kill their teachers. Plus, even if they fought back, the kids would just get an ass-whooping at home because the parents sign off on this which means that they're okay with physical discipline themselves.

@SinisterSlay
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If my kid was paddled in school, I would go out and buy a paddle, bring it to school, smack that old lady's butt with it in front of my kid, and find another school district.

That's not physical/sexual assault, it's a good old-fashioned paddling!
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Why are so many posters posting as if the parents don't have to give consent?

Oh that's right. Reading comprehension is a dying skill.
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MICHALCOLE posted...

You don't think that's super fucking weird and an incredibly bad example to set? You don't think that teaches children that violence is not just okay, but okay for an adult to do to a child?

I just see this as completely wrong on so many levels.

Learn the definition of Violence:
Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

-strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force.

-the unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

Zeus posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Since this is legally assault. The child could turn around and kill the teacher.
Something those 30k a year teachers should consider before taking the risk.

Few things:

1) It wouldn't "legally be assault" because assault is a crime whereas this is explicitly legal, so that's fucking wrong
Hitting someone is never legal. It doesn't matter the age. Texas passed an illegal law. It's hilarious to think about it, but by the same measure, that means the kid could grab the metre stick and smash it over the teachers head in self defense. In most civilized parts of the world. Parents aren't even allowed to spank their children.

2) You're generally not allowed to kill somebody in self defense over a minor assault, so that's also wrong.
You shouldn't try to, but if you are being attacked, you are allowed to defend yourself. What that results in will usually be forgiven.

3) The people administering the punishment aren't the teachers themselves, so you have the trifecta of being completely wrong.
Oh? Funny cause the topic title says Texas has approved PADDLING for Teachers to PUNISH Kids this coming year!!! And the poll says Do you trust teachers to paddle children? so forgive me for not ignoring the 2 massive obvious pointers that it's the teachers doing it.

Oh, plus their teachers likely make more than $30k/year and a lot of child are neither big enough nor strong enough to kill their teachers. Plus, even if they fought back, the kids would just get an ass-whooping at home because the parents sign off on this which means that they're okay with physical discipline themselves.

http://www.teachingdegree.org/texas/salary/

Your right, my bad, they make 50k. I made more than that straight out of college, without having to beat children. But whatever.

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Yellow posted...

If my kid was paddled in school, I would go out and buy a paddle, bring it to school, smack that old lady's butt with it in front of my kid, and find another school district.

That's not physical/sexual assault, it's a good old-fashioned paddling!

SunWuKung420 posted...

Why are so many posters posting as if the parents don't have to give consent?

Oh that's right. Reading comprehension is a dying skill.

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MICHALCOLE posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

MICHALCOLE posted...

You don't think that's super fucking weird and an incredibly bad example to set? You don't think that teaches children that violence is not just okay, but okay for an adult to do to a child?

I believe it teaches a kid that every action has a consequence. It's not teaching that you can go around and hit folk for no reason. It's teaching that if you step out of line then that's a possibility.

I feel like it teaches me that if you do something wrong I can hurt you for retribution. Or does this only apply to children? Doesn't that seem somehow even worse? You can only hurt children if they do something wrong?

Eye for an eye is only the way we should bring back things like if you are caught stealing you lose a hand. I mean there are no consequences unless you take it to the highest level, I mean that is why the death penalty works I mean we would see 10 times the amount of murders if it wasn't for the death penalty.

Every kid laughs at a time out or something you have to beat them to let them know that bad behavior has consequences.
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dioxxys posted...

MICHALCOLE posted...

You don't think that's super fucking weird and an incredibly bad example to set? You don't think that teaches children that violence is not just okay, but okay for an adult to do to a child?

I just see this as completely wrong on so many levels.

Learn the definition of Violence:
Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

-strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force.

-the unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

How is paddling somebody not physical force intended to hurt?

Zeus posted...

Yellow posted...

If my kid was paddled in school, I would go out and buy a paddle, bring it to school, smack that old lady's butt with it in front of my kid, and find another school district.

That's not physical/sexual assault, it's a good old-fashioned paddling!

SunWuKung420 posted...

Why are so many posters posting as if the parents don't have to give consent?

Oh that's right. Reading comprehension is a dying skill.

That's funny because it's not relevant in any way and I'd still do that if they touched my kid.
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Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

Yellow posted...

If my kid was paddled in school, I would go out and buy a paddle, bring it to school, smack that old lady's butt with it in front of my kid, and find another school district.

That's not physical/sexual assault, it's a good old-fashioned paddling!

SunWuKung420 posted...

Why are so many posters posting as if the parents don't have to give consent?

Oh that's right. Reading comprehension is a dying skill.

That's funny because it's not relevant in any way and I'd still do that if they touched my kid.

It's DIRECTLY relevant because it pertains to their ability to touch your kid, which means twice you either didn't read or didn't comprehend it
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Zeus posted...

It's DIRECTLY relevant because it pertains to their ability to touch your kid, which means twice you either didn't read or didn't comprehend it

Me telling them not to touch my kid doesn't mean much in a blunt hypothetical where they touched my kid disregarding any legal reasons why they're not allowed to touch my kid.

I also don't live in Texas or have a kid.
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I wouldn't say "pain doesn't work", I was spanked as a child for doing something wrong, I hated the SPANKING itself, so I usually was in the mindset of "OK, That got me into trouble and spanked, so lets NOT do that anymore", And Paddling sounds like a Spanking just using a paddle instead, so it might or might not work, depends on the person I guess.
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In todays age, what if the students enjoy being paddled? Have they thought about that?
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SinisterSlay posted...

Zeus posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Since this is legally assault. The child could turn around and kill the teacher.
Something those 30k a year teachers should consider before taking the risk.

Few things:

1) It wouldn't "legally be assault" because assault is a crime whereas this is explicitly legal, so that's fucking wrong
Hitting someone is never legal. It doesn't matter the age. Texas passed an illegal law. It's hilarious to think about it, but by the same measure, that means the kid could grab the metre stick and smash it over the teachers head in self defense. In most civilized parts of the world. Parents aren't even allowed to spank their children.

2) You're generally not allowed to kill somebody in self defense over a minor assault, so that's also wrong.
You shouldn't try to, but if you are being attacked, you are allowed to defend yourself. What that results in will usually be forgiven.

3) The people administering the punishment aren't the teachers themselves, so you have the trifecta of being completely wrong.
Oh? Funny cause the topic title says Texas has approved PADDLING for Teachers to PUNISH Kids this coming year!!! And the poll says Do you trust teachers to paddle children? so forgive me for not ignoring the 2 massive obvious pointers that it's the teachers doing it.

Oh, plus their teachers likely make more than $30k/year and a lot of child are neither big enough nor strong enough to kill their teachers. Plus, even if they fought back, the kids would just get an ass-whooping at home because the parents sign off on this which means that they're okay with physical discipline themselves.

http://www.teachingdegree.org/texas/salary/

Your right, my bad, they make 50k. I made more than that straight out of college, without having to beat children. But whatever.

If you actually read the bulk of the story, instead of relying on Ducky's misleading and erroneous statements (especially since he freely admits to lying in the titles for clickbait), you would have been better-informed on what the situation was. So let's start with 3 instead of 1:

Full Throttle posted...

Only a campus behaviour coordinator or principal can paddle the students

ie, not actually teachers, unless the principal is also a teacher. That's black & white, no ambiguity. Likewise, he has a clarification that it's already legal in the state (and has made headlines for using it in the past) but this school district was opting in.

So let's debunk #1 next--

I'm not sure how you *think* the law works, but the law pertains to what is written not what you think you should be written. In the case of physical discipline, it's been legally permitted -- within reason -- since before the founding of this nation. While some states have passed additional restrictions, it's LEGAL in any place where no law exists against it. That's how the nature of laws work. As for the legality across the world, even CANADA allows it. As does the UK and other nations, which makes your claim strange.

As for your completely wrong assertion that a student could defend themselves against a teacher, several students have wound up in juvenile detention for doing just that. Likewise, if a cop is rough with you, you can't legally turn around and punch him or murder him.

As for #2, once again, that's generally not how it works even when it's NOT legal for a person to strike another. However, this is completely legally permissible for a principal to strike a student and therefore they'd have zero protections.
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MICHALCOLE posted...

I feel like it teaches me that if you do something wrong I can hurt you for retribution.

Well yeah if I start being a little shit towards you then you smacking me is completely justified. That's not to say I won't smack you back though.
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Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

It's DIRECTLY relevant because it pertains to their ability to touch your kid, which means twice you either didn't read or didn't comprehend it

Me telling them not to touch my kid doesn't mean much in a blunt hypothetical where they touched my kid disregarding any legal reasons why they're not allowed to touch my kid.

I also don't live in Texas or have a kid.

If they touched your kid and you paddled them, you'd get arrested. You're better off getting them fired/arrested for breaking the law instead of breaking the law yourself.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

If they touched your kid and you paddled them, you'd get arrested. You're better off getting them fired/arrested for breaking the law instead of breaking the law yourself.

Depends how they touched my kid as to if I'd take that risk or not tbh.
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SinisterSlay posted...

1) It wouldn't "legally be assault" because assault is a crime whereas this is explicitly legal, so that's fucking wrong
Hitting someone is never legal. It doesn't matter the age. Texas passed an illegal law. It's hilarious to think about it, but by the same measure, that means the kid could grab the metre stick and smash it over the teachers head in self defense. In most civilized parts of the world. Parents aren't even allowed to spank their children.

2) You're generally not allowed to kill somebody in self defense over a minor assault, so that's also wrong.
You shouldn't try to, but if you are being attacked, you are allowed to defend yourself. What that results in will usually be forgiven.

You are objectively wrong on both counts.

1) It is absolutely legal to hit someone if, for example, they are physically attacking you.

2) In spite of point #1, if you kill someone because they are slapping you repeatedly, good luck not spending the rest of your life in jail.
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