Poll of the Day > "What's the difference between wine and Moonshine?"

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I was asked in defense of Moonshine.

About 85 to 130 proof give or take.
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The circumstances of production more so than the end results.

To what degree the circumstances affect the results is an open question.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

About 85 to 130 proof give or take.

Also, this.
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Also one requires distillation, which is pretty damn important.

Wine is made in classier bathtubs.
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Moonshine is actually a poison disguised as liqour that includes special chemicals to fool the drinker in believing Moonshine is actually good.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

About 85 to 130 proof give or take.

This is the perfect answer I have no response.
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-Komaiko54- posted...

Moonshine is actually a poison disguised as liqour that includes special chemicals to fool the drinker in believing Moonshine is actually good.

I'm not a saying it's good and it's potency can allow it to serve other purposes, since alcohol is a good slightly polar solvent, antiseptic, fuel, antifreeze, and preservative. There are no special chemicals or dangerous poisons in moonshine. It's just very pure ethanol.

All alcohols can act as poisons, some only requiring small doses, some requiring huge doses. True moonshine produces highly purified ethanol from corn mash which while very strong and not delicious, is relatively safe for human consumption at controlled doses.

Wine is much weaker in potency, produced from grapes and is primarily only used for drinking and cooking.

It should be noted that the drunk effect due to consumption of moonshine or wine (or beer and other distilled spirits) is from the ethanol.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

-Komaiko54- posted...

Moonshine is actually a poison disguised as liqour that includes special chemicals to fool the drinker in believing Moonshine is actually good.

I'm not a saying it's good and it's potency can allow it to serve other purposes, since alcohol is a good slightly polar solvent, antiseptic, fuel, antifreeze, and preservative. There are no special chemicals or dangerous poisons in moonshine. It's just very pure ethanol.

All alcohols can act as poisons, some only requiring small doses, some requiring huge doses. True moonshine produces highly purified ethanol from corn mash which while very strong and not delicious, is relatively safe for human consumption at controlled doses.

Wine is much weaker in potency, produced from grapes and is primarily only used for drinking and cooking.

It should be noted that the drunk effect due to consumption of moonshine or wine (or beer and other distilled spirits) is from the ethanol.

I love how you both described in detail, and said nothing everyone didn't already know.

shadowsword87 posted...

I love how you both described in detail, and said nothing everyone didn't already know.

Komaiko thought moonshine is a poison with special chemicals. Hopefully he learned something new.

So no, not everyone knew everything I posted.
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Actually-

You mean bootleg moonshine w the poison comment. (Although our bodies regard all alchol and other substances as toxins and expel those first),

I should point out that white whiskey- aka moonshine is now regulated and legal and subject to the same standards as any other alcohol when sold legally regardless of the alcohol content. Which like many burbons mezcals or other hard liqs can be higher than 40% easy.

So while you might get unregulated improper concoctions w bootleg moonshine- same could be said of any bootleg alcohol but now that you can get white whiskey (aka moonshine) at any store and many former illegal distillers now legitimized and sold and marketer legally. That's not even a concern.

Well- then again. Counter-point. Jose questions isn't actually tequila yet it's regulated and aold so....
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I was joking :x
I can't stand moonshine and I don't know how anyone else can drink it
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Conner4REAL posted...

You mean bootleg moonshine w the poison comment.

People who produce bootleg moonshine are still making it from corn mash. They also drink it to get drunk and sell it to others to get drunk. So producing a deadly product isn't really an option, ignoring the inherent danger in consuming copious amounts of very pure ethanol.
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-Komaiko54- posted...

I was joking :x
I can't stand moonshine and I don't know how anyone else can drink it

It's definitely an acquired taste. Bleh
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One you can run your car off and strip paint. The other is the drink of royalty and homeless the world over.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

You mean bootleg moonshine w the poison comment.

People who produce bootleg moonshine are still making it from corn mash. They also drink it to get drunk and sell it to others to get drunk. So producing a deadly product isn't really an option, ignoring the inherent danger in consuming copious amounts of very pure ethanol.

It's not the ethanol amount, it's the byproducts from the distilling process that if you don't do properly, can make you go blind over time. Even wine can have some debris in it, that stuff isn't bad, but people just are grossed out from it.
Also, making it from corn is how you make it in the first place, if you make it from something else, say potatoes, you get something else, say vodka.

shadowsword87 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Conner4REAL posted...

You mean bootleg moonshine w the poison comment.

People who produce bootleg moonshine are still making it from corn mash. They also drink it to get drunk and sell it to others to get drunk. So producing a deadly product isn't really an option, ignoring the inherent danger in consuming copious amounts of very pure ethanol.

It's not the ethanol amount, it's the byproducts from the distilling process that if you don't do properly, can make you go blind over time. Even wine can have some debris in it, that stuff isn't bad, but people just are grossed out from it.
Also, making it from corn is how you make it in the first place, if you make it from something else, say potatoes, you get something else, say vodka.

Most of the contaminates come from poorly recycled automotive parts used to make homemade stills and not from the production process itself since fermented corn mash can't produce methanol. Although this is also discounting unscrupulous distillers who spike their product with methanol but it's never a good idea to kill/poison your customers.

You can also use agave.

Bourbon is actually a barrel aged moonshine.
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Hence the term "white whisky" as in unaged. I'm sure you knew that and the "info" wasn't directed at you, just using you as a springboard.

while we are having this discussion I'm on my second absinthe- combier distillery, espririt eduourd- spelling is off I'm sure I don't speak French so I won't pretend to spell it properly. 3rd drink of the night though. 72% alc. you don't drink this to get drunk though. Costs too much. You drink it to enjoy it.

The issue w the car parts and such comes fro unregulated moonshine. I would imagine same goes for any unregulated distillery.


You really want something different and have a bit of money (not an insane amount) burning a hole in your pocket- check out a good mezcal of the pechuga or conejo variety. The alcohol sits w a turkey or rabbit breast suspended over it as they believe the spices scent or whatever affects the alcohol. I can say both taste diff than other.

Of course I'm extremely skeptical of the deal maguey brand since they were bought out by the same company that makes absolute. So I'm waiting for them to swap out their actual agave plants and make it w shoe leather....
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I'll just stick to beer. It's more nourishing.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

All alcohols can act as poisons

I'd go one step further and say that alcohol itself is poison.
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Zeus posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

All alcohols can act as poisons

I'd go one step further and say that alcohol itself is poison.

If moderate ethanol consumption could kill, you'd have a point but since our bodies are designed to metabolize it safely and for some the resulting intoxication is enjoyable, your whole "schtick" is pointless.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Zeus posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

All alcohols can act as poisons

I'd go one step further and say that alcohol itself is poison.

If moderate ethanol consumption could kill, you'd have a point but since our bodies are designed to metabolize it safely and for some the resulting intoxication is enjoyable, your whole "schtick" is pointless.

"Safely" to a point, the liver isn't immutable. Also you can still die of alcohol poisoning, it's not that hard, you just need to drink enough of it.
Also, it being enjoyable doesn't mean anything, it's a drug and can be used as a poison pretty easily. It's not as effective as other poisons, but poison never the less.

To be clear, I don't give a shit if people drink or not, just don't lie to yourself that it's not bad for you. Same thing with cigarettes.

One is made of grape, is legal and got a low proof.
The other is made of pretty much everything, is illegal and got a high proof.
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Foppe posted...

One is made of grape, is legal and got a low proof.
The other is made of pretty much everything, is illegal and got a high proof.

There are plenty of legal moonshine brands on the market.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Foppe posted...

One is made of grape, is legal and got a low proof.
The other is made of pretty much everything, is illegal and got a high proof.

There are plenty of legal moonshine brands on the market.

Real moonshine is made in the woods outside the law where the end product is 150+ proof in most cases, not in a legal distillery where the end product in most cases are sub-150 proof.
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But guys, lets at least admit moonshine is the coolest name for an alcohol ever.

Foppe posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Foppe posted...

One is made of grape, is legal and got a low proof.
The other is made of pretty much everything, is illegal and got a high proof.

There are plenty of legal moonshine brands on the market.

Real moonshine is made in the woods outside the law where the end product is 150+ proof in most cases, not in a legal distillery where the end product in most cases are sub-150 proof.

Drinking anything with a proof over 120 is somewhat pointless as there is little to no taste in the spirit.

MICHALECOLE posted...

But guys, lets at least admit moonshine is the coolest name for an alcohol ever.

That's because it's so strong you'll think you can shine the moon.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I'll just stick to beer. It's more nourishing.

And adds way more to your gut by comparison....

Even more than the wine that snobbish fart bubble biters drink.

John shaft - scotch.

Sex in the city - wine.

Which one you wanna drink?

Ok- I obviously have no real problem w beer just pointing out a fact that I'm absolutely sure everyone drinking it is aware and accepts.

But I find "alleged" whine connosours to be obnoxious and offensive.

Maybe I come off as somewhat pompous when I offer a good or great mezcal or absinthe you haven't had but I don't expect you to know shit I just expect you to taste it and enjoy it and I'll explain any stuff behind it. I often feel like whiners expect you to know stuff before you can step into the room. You go to a whiskey tasting (not my drink) and people are just trying to share their appreciation not prove they have a better palate than you.

So i could guarantee you that if I ever ran into you or anyone else here. I wouldnt be plying my knowledge as a sword or knife pointed tirades the drinker or patron it would be at the establishment to serve better stuff that I would be happy if someone else tried and gained appreciation for- and if not, guess what that's fine. What I like is so specific. That if you wanted recommendations on scotch or Japanese whisky or brandy or vodka I would try to help w what I know.

See- imo that's the true diff in this topic. Ow as wrong before when I tried to mimick the line from old school cause it's not done. The true diff between whine and moonshine or whine and any other form of alcohol is the people who drink it. Whine drinkers who identify as such (not talking about a glass at dinner- or two) and pride themselves on it are douchebags who want to keep their knowledge of whine like a badge or means of superiority. Beer and liquor drinkers in my experience want you to experience what they enjoy and share it.

Like open code vs not.

Imo.
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It's almost 4, I get it.

This is absinthe #4 (which is 3.7oz) of alcohol unlike the others which were regulation 2oz. Plus the peirrede almas mezcal. Which is an amazing mezcal label.

But crazy week. No complications end of elaboration. Just making the comparison.

Seriously. That's the diff. Not the liquor. The people behind it. Like everything.
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shadowsword87 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Zeus posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

All alcohols can act as poisons

I'd go one step further and say that alcohol itself is poison.

If moderate ethanol consumption could kill, you'd have a point but since our bodies are designed to metabolize it safely and for some the resulting intoxication is enjoyable, your whole "schtick" is pointless.

"Safely" to a point, the liver isn't immutable. Also you can still die of alcohol poisoning, it's not that hard, you just need to drink enough of it.
Also, it being enjoyable doesn't mean anything, it's a drug and can be used as a poison pretty easily. It's not as effective as other poisons, but poison never the less.

To be clear, I don't give a shit if people drink or not, just don't lie to yourself that it's not bad for you. Same thing with cigarettes.

This. Additionally, it's worth noting that the "enjoyable effects" come directly from the poisonous aspect which damages the body's normal functioning. And, of course, just because you can "safely" consume a poison in relatively low doses doesn't stop it from being a poison.

Foppe posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Foppe posted...

One is made of grape, is legal and got a low proof.
The other is made of pretty much everything, is illegal and got a high proof.

There are plenty of legal moonshine brands on the market.

Real moonshine is made in the woods outside the law where the end product is 150+ proof in most cases, not in a legal distillery where the end product in most cases are sub-150 proof.

I believe right about now PO would chime in with the No True Scotsman fallacy but seeing as he's not here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
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