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Esrac
07/19/17 3:22:39 PM
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http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html

An article from Stanford Medicine.

Apparently research over the past 15 years or so has shown, despite accusations of neurosexism and dismissal by sociologists, that there are consistent differences in the way men and women's brains tend to operate. Not just cultural socialization.

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In her preface to the first edition, Halpern wrote: “At the time, it seemed clear to me that any between-sex differences in thinking abilities were due to socialization practices, artifacts and mistakes in the research, and bias and prejudice. ... After reviewing a pile of journal articles that stood several feet high and numerous books and book chapters that dwarfed the stack of journal articles … I changed my mind.”

Why? There was too much data pointing to the biological basis of sex-based cognitive differences to ignore, Halpern says. For one thing, the animal-research findings resonated with sex-based differences ascribed to people. These findings continue to accrue. In a study of 34 rhesus monkeys, for example, males strongly preferred toys with wheels over plush toys, whereas females found plush toys likable. It would be tough to argue that the monkeys’ parents bought them sex-typed toys or that simian society encourages its male offspring to play more with trucks. A much more recent study established that boys and girls 9 to 17 months old — an age when children show few if any signs of recognizing either their own or other children’s sex — nonetheless show marked differences in their preference for stereotypically male versus stereotypically female toys.

Halpern and others have cataloged plenty of human behavioral differences. “These findings have all been replicated,” she says. Women excel in several measures of verbal ability — pretty much all of them, except for verbal analogies. Women’s reading comprehension and writing ability consistently exceed that of men, on average. They outperform men in tests of fine-motor coordination and perceptual speed. They’re more adept at retrieving information from long-term memory.

Men, on average, can more easily juggle items in working memory. They have superior visuospatial skills: They’re better at visualizing what happens when a complicated two- or three-dimensional shape is rotated in space, at correctly determining angles from the horizontal, at tracking moving objects and at aiming projectiles.


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Brain-imaging studies indicate that these differences extend well beyond the strictly reproductive domain, Cahill says. Adjusted for total brain size (men’s are bigger), a woman’s hippocampus, critical to learning and memorization, is larger than a man’s and works differently. Conversely, a man’s amygdala, associated with the experiencing of emotions and the recollection of such experiences, is bigger than a woman’s. It, too, works differently, as Cahill’s research has demonstrated.

In 2000, Cahill scanned the brains of men and women viewing either highly aversive films or emotionally neutral ones. The aversive films were expected to trip off strong negative emotions and concomitant imprinting in the amygdala, an almond-shaped structure found in each brain hemisphere. Activity in the amygdala during the viewing experience, as expected, predicted subjects’ later ability to recall the viewed clips. But in women, this relationship was observed only in the left amygdala. In men, it was only in the right amygdala. Cahill and others have since confirmed these results.

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Esrac
07/19/17 7:05:18 PM
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Bump.

I thought this was the kind of thing CE likes to jump all over.
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/19/17 7:09:28 PM
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Men and women are different. More at 11.
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Esrac
07/19/17 7:11:45 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Men and women are different. More at 11.


Well, yes, but the prevailing opinion seems to be that the differences are from socialization. This article is about the evidence suggesting a lot of the differences are biological.
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Talks
07/19/17 7:12:51 PM
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They have superior visuospatial skills: They’re better at visualizing what happens when a complicated two- or three-dimensional shape is rotated in space, at correctly determining angles from the horizontal, at tracking moving objects and at aiming projectiles.


I've seen people banned on neogaf for pointing this out.
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E32005
07/19/17 7:14:45 PM
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lilORANG
07/19/17 7:15:23 PM
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Esrac
07/19/17 7:16:08 PM
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Talks posted...
They have superior visuospatial skills: They’re better at visualizing what happens when a complicated two- or three-dimensional shape is rotated in space, at correctly determining angles from the horizontal, at tracking moving objects and at aiming projectiles.


I've seen people banned on neogaf for pointing this out.


That's Neogaf, baby.
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Callixtus
07/19/17 7:16:13 PM
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Someone tell the radical feminists
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NonDairyMiltank
07/19/17 7:19:00 PM
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as a woman i am open to the possibility that there might actually be some behavioral differences between the sexes
our bodies are not built the same, it shouldn't seem like a reach that our brains may have some physical differences too

acknowledging the potential of such possibilities at least as theories instead of hand-waving them is how to effectively pursue handling those differences as individuals (ie: learning if i am truly more prone to certain behaviors than most male peers can be beneficial to me, not oppressive)

i can then better determine how i want to apply those behaviors on my terms once i'm alerted to them, that's science
science should never be restrained for the sake of absolute political correctness, because that would mean tossing out a lot of viable study that's provable
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GreatEvilEmpire
07/19/17 7:19:39 PM
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Men are better at certain things than women and vise-versa. Most men recognize this, but you tell that you crazy Feminists and they'll get all triggered. They can't see the big picture, or in this case, complicated two or three-dimensional shape is rotating in space.
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Fam_Fam
07/19/17 7:20:50 PM
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so are we saying it is legit that some trans people might actually have brains that are different from their biological sex, and so their feeling of their genitals not matching them as a person make sense?!
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BlackHorse6969
07/19/17 7:24:42 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
so are we saying it is legit that some trans people might actually have brains that are different from their biological sex, and so their feeling of their genitals not matching them as a person make sense?!

no. that has nothing to do with this article
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P4wn4g3
07/19/17 7:26:02 PM
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Article is clearly biased against genderless and trans people.
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Esrac
07/19/17 7:27:08 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
so are we saying it is legit that some trans people might actually have brains that are different from their biological sex, and so their feeling of their genitals not matching them as a person make sense?!


I don't think this article touches on that. There's probably something wonky going on in their brains, but when trans people discuss the changes they underwent during hormone therapy, I don't know if it's just a matter of, say, "female brain in a male body".
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Panthera
07/19/17 7:28:04 PM
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It's not exactly surprising information but is nice to actually have it more rigorously confirmed. Especially since it probably has a lot of implications for things like treatment of mental health issues - male and female brains having parts that function notable differently could very easily end up requiring different treatments for the same problems.

Fam_Fam posted...
so are we saying it is legit that some trans people might actually have brains that are different from their biological sex, and so their feeling of their genitals not matching them as a person make sense?!


I'm pretty sure this has been proven, yes
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myzz7
07/19/17 7:30:46 PM
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Men and women think different from each other. Such a brave article in today's world.
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Esrac
07/19/17 7:34:17 PM
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Panthera posted...
It's not exactly surprising information but is nice to actually have it more rigorously confirmed. Especially since it probably has a lot of implications for things like treatment of mental health issues - male and female brains having parts that function notable differently could very easily end up requiring different treatments for the same problems.

Fam_Fam posted...
so are we saying it is legit that some trans people might actually have brains that are different from their biological sex, and so their feeling of their genitals not matching them as a person make sense?!


I'm pretty sure this has been proven, yes


The article did touch on mental health issues. For example, women are more likely to suffer from depression and men more likely to suffer from schizophrenia. Women more likely to suffer from post traumatic stress disorder and men more likely to have dyslexia or some form of autism.
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P4wn4g3
07/19/17 7:35:03 PM
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myzz7 posted...
Men and women think different from each other. Such a brave article in today's world.

How far we've fallen. Christ.
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Pastryarchy
07/19/17 7:38:14 PM
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I think it's better to just recognize trans people as special or unique cases, because objectively they are. They're a minority population and have some differences from the majority of people. IMO, that's not innately a bad thing to recognize while still enabling them to function as the gender they comfortably identify as.

I'm also partial to the theory that trans people can have differences in their brain activity that basically mimic the gender they identify as. My opinion is that "if it quacks like a duck, thinks like a duck, looks like a duck...it might as well be a duck ".



I'm not touching the "genderless" movement, too many elephants in that room. I just acknowledge their freedom to live that way; I don't really have to understand it.
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the_rowan
07/19/17 7:44:41 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
so are we saying it is legit that some trans people might actually have brains that are different from their biological sex, and so their feeling of their genitals not matching them as a person make sense?!


There exists both the framework for this to be possible, i.e. the fact that men and women have differences in their brains, and a few studies showing that transgender individuals have brains significantly more like those of the opposite sex than the norm. (https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/85/5/2034/2660626/Male-to-Female-Transsexuals-Have-Female-Neuron for example). Although I feel like the need to prove the "legitimacy" of transgender individuals is more than a bit strange when you consider how unlikely it is that someone would want to become the opposite sex permanently just to be able to enter the women's bathroom or any of the other incredibly dumb rationales people suggest for it.
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Awesome
07/19/17 7:47:11 PM
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OrtegaTron
07/19/17 7:49:17 PM
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E32005 posted...
Very interesting

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iPhone_7
07/19/17 7:50:17 PM
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So are there any feminists triggered yet?
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P4wn4g3
07/19/17 7:51:29 PM
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Feminists don't click on academic links.
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CapnMuffin
07/19/17 7:54:29 PM
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https://m.wimp.com/mens-vs-womens-brains/

Good video too.
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EvoTech
07/19/17 7:56:26 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Men and women are different. More at 11.


Sexist!!!!!2!!2!!!1111

Lmao, leftists are such shit

This study is so obvious and it's a shame there even needed to be one.
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WizardPowers
07/19/17 7:58:35 PM
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common sense to anyone not a snowflake
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COVxy
07/19/17 8:03:33 PM
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I love the fact that this topic has this entirely made up fight against "leftists", when in reality the only people claiming otherwise tend to be radical feminists, who happen to be a very small minority of the left. In fact, one of the fundamental arguments for SRS and the support on the left for transgendered individuals revolves around sexually dimorphic brain features.
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MutantJohn
07/19/17 8:11:01 PM
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I'm very curious about the subjects they bring in for testing. What sorts of economic backgrounds? What nationalities?
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Esrac
07/19/17 8:16:39 PM
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COVxy posted...
I love the fact that this topic has this entirely made up fight against "leftists", when in reality the only people claiming otherwise tend to be radical feminists, who happen to be a very small minority of the left. In fact, one of the fundamental arguments for SRS and the support on the left for transgendered individuals revolves around sexually dimorphic brain features.


There's been, like, one post knocking Leftists in this topic.
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WaterLink
07/19/17 8:23:00 PM
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COVxy posted...
I love the fact that this topic has this entirely made up fight against "leftists", when in reality the only people claiming otherwise tend to be radical feminists, who happen to be a very small minority of the left. In fact, one of the fundamental arguments for SRS and the support on the left for transgendered individuals revolves around sexually dimorphic brain features.

Is it bad that I thought of something different when I saw you post "SRS" because your username is a statistics concept?
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COVxy
07/19/17 8:29:43 PM
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Esrac posted...
COVxy posted...
I love the fact that this topic has this entirely made up fight against "leftists", when in reality the only people claiming otherwise tend to be radical feminists, who happen to be a very small minority of the left. In fact, one of the fundamental arguments for SRS and the support on the left for transgendered individuals revolves around sexually dimorphic brain features.


There's been, like, one post knocking Leftists in this topic.


I mean, and many referencing feminists, which is a similar notion. Most feminists are just fine accepting differences between the sexes.
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Esrac
07/19/17 8:30:11 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
I'm very curious about the subjects they bring in for testing. What sorts of economic backgrounds? What nationalities?


It's an article that mentions a number of studies. Studies that included mice, rhesus monkies, and human children as young as 2 - 3 months old. Also mentions observing how men and women's brains reacted to certain aversive images.
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Esrac
07/19/17 8:40:21 PM
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COVxy posted...
Esrac posted...
COVxy posted...
I love the fact that this topic has this entirely made up fight against "leftists", when in reality the only people claiming otherwise tend to be radical feminists, who happen to be a very small minority of the left. In fact, one of the fundamental arguments for SRS and the support on the left for transgendered individuals revolves around sexually dimorphic brain features.


There's been, like, one post knocking Leftists in this topic.


I mean, and many referencing feminists, which is a similar notion. Most feminists are just fine accepting differences between the sexes.


To be fair, when I have seen feminists talking about differences between the sexes, it's usually in the context of how they believe cultural socialization creates those differences in behavior. So, I can understand why there would be posts knocking feminists when the topic is about evidence about biological influence on men and women's behavior.

I don't know. Do we have poll numbers referencing how many feminists accept biological differences in the way men and women's brains work compared to cultural influence?
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COVxy
07/19/17 8:45:24 PM
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The notion of purely socially constructed gender differences seems to be an old one with deep roots in radical feminism and its influences on sociology. I think the notion is fading, even amongst scholars in the area. It's probably higher than it should be, but still.
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P4wn4g3
07/19/17 8:50:24 PM
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To be fair I was just trying to trigger the feminists that click on this topic but apparently there aren't any.
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COVxy
07/19/17 8:52:31 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
To be fair I was just trying to trigger the feminists that click on this topic but apparently there aren't any.


I'm a feminist. As are many within this topic, probably.
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Transcendentia
07/19/17 8:53:29 PM
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Oh look, another example of COVxy downplaying how many people believe the far-left SJW bullshit we see online.
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Questionmarktarius
07/19/17 8:56:09 PM
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The only disturbing part I can glean from all of this, is monkeys playing with cars. That just can't end well.
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COVxy
07/19/17 8:59:08 PM
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Transcendentia posted...
Oh look, another example of COVxy downplaying how many people believe the far-left SJW bullshit we see online.


Yes, extreme positions are usually extreme in proportion too. Pretty reasonable assumption, even without observation. When your baseline position is unreasonable to begin with, you should probably re evaluate the truthiness of it.
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marc55
07/19/17 9:09:42 PM
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Panthera posted...
It's not exactly surprising information but is nice to actually have it more rigorously confirmed. Especially since it probably has a lot of implications for things like treatment of mental health issues - male and female brains having parts that function notable differently could very easily end up requiring different treatments for the same problems.

Fam_Fam posted...
so are we saying it is legit that some trans people might actually have brains that are different from their biological sex, and so their feeling of their genitals not matching them as a person make sense?!


I'm pretty sure this has been proven, yes

are you sure ?

last time i read about this it was impossible to tell the difference between a male brain and a trans woman brains
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Returning_CEmen
07/19/17 9:13:30 PM
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Everything we ready knew
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Esrac
07/20/17 9:53:46 AM
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COVxy posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
To be fair I was just trying to trigger the feminists that click on this topic but apparently there aren't any.


I'm a feminist. As are many within this topic, probably.


I don't know. "Many" may be an exaggeration when there are plenty of "lolfeminists" posts.
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P4wn4g3
07/22/17 4:06:57 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
I'm a feminist and this doesn't surprise me at all. Equal rights and opportunities shouldn't be based the average differences between men and women, but that doesn't mean that men and women aren't generally different.

Equal rights is one thing. Equal opportunities is one of those things that gets construed into repressing the majority to empower minorities.
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Sativa_Rose
07/22/17 4:16:51 AM
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Esrac posted...
They’re better at visualizing what happens when a complicated two- or three-dimensional shape is rotated in space


Lol this is ironic because those are the kinds of questions on IQ tests that I've always been the worst at.
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apolloooo
07/22/17 7:11:05 AM
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Esrac posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Men and women are different. More at 11.


Well, yes, but the prevailing opinion seems to be that the differences are from socialization. This article is about the evidence suggesting a lot of the differences are biological.

Unless you're sjw hippies nobody think like this.
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Esrac
07/22/17 7:15:22 AM
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apolloooo posted...
Esrac posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Men and women are different. More at 11.


Well, yes, but the prevailing opinion seems to be that the differences are from socialization. This article is about the evidence suggesting a lot of the differences are biological.

Unless you're sjw hippies nobody think like this.


The article suggests most sociologists and social psychologists lean heavily toward socialization.
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