Poll of the Day > Do you think that could ever happen like terminator? Spoilers?

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UT1999
07/14/17 1:21:02 PM
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Do you think that could ever happen like the terminator movies? With machines taking over, war etc? And has anybody heard if there will be a sequel to terminator genysis? I liked that movie
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UT1999
07/14/17 1:51:11 PM
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bump
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GastroFan
07/14/17 2:27:35 PM
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Anything's possible. After all nobody thought Monica Lewinsky and her blue dress would happen either yet it did. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.
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wolfy42
07/14/17 2:40:15 PM
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If it hasn't happened yet, it will soon. Dont' even need self awareness to be the cause.

What is the greatest threat/danger to humanity right now?

Humanity itself.

Create a program meant to protect humanity and give it access to the internet (in order to look for potential threats, or solutions to problems).

It wouldn't take long before such a program would realize that all the threats are coming from humans and specifically from technology they are using.

Logic would dictate that removing those threats is the best way to ensure humanities survival, so the program could start working towards taking over/using all technology to police mankind and ensure their survival and safety.

There are plenty of defensive programs out there already, it just takes one that comes to this logical conclusion and we are all ruled by our supreme robot overlords.
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wolfy42
07/14/17 2:40:49 PM
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GastroFan posted...
Anything's possible. After all nobody thought Monica Lewinsky and her blue dress would happen either yet it did. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.



Bah, everyone knew Bill was a horndog even before all that.
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Foppe
07/14/17 2:42:49 PM
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Go back two year and say that Trump will be our next president and say how he acts, and nobody would believe you.
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wolfy42
07/14/17 2:43:53 PM
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Foppe posted...
Go back two year and say that Trump will be our next president and say how he acts, and nobody would believe you.



I still wouldn't believe you.
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Sahuagin
07/14/17 2:48:41 PM
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as hard as the AI problem is, another problem that needs to be solved before anything like that could happen is portable power. robots are way too dependent on power, so far requiring being tethered to a long thick power cable, or else having basically a lawnmower engine strapped to their back. I guess there are cell-phone type batteries, but I don't think they last very long. we need some kind of really dense power storage or power generation. micro-fusion cells or whatever.
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Metalsonic66
07/14/17 3:01:07 PM
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UT1999 posted...
And has anybody heard if there will be a sequel to terminator genysis? I liked that movie

I haven't heard any news about it.

Also, I liked it, too.
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wolfy42
07/14/17 3:04:56 PM
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Sahuagin posted...
as hard as the AI problem is, another problem that needs to be solved before anything like that could happen is portable power. robots are way too dependent on power, so far requiring being tethered to a long thick power cable, or else having basically a lawnmower engine strapped to their back. I guess there are cell-phone type batteries, but I don't think they last very long. we need some kind of really dense power storage or power generation. micro-fusion cells or whatever.


We already have wireless power chargers along with of course solar panels etc. If we were a society that ran on electricity, we would have power available as readily as internet access is right now. Robots could easily set that up in no time. That is not even counting things like having battery centers where robots could swiftly just replace their battery with a new one (that then charges), so all you need to do is quickly stop somewhere every few hours and grab a new battery (depending on the size the robots could actually always carry a spare, giving them quite a decent amount of time before needing to replace them).
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Sahuagin
07/14/17 3:12:36 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
We already have wireless power chargers along with of course solar panels etc. If we were a society that ran on electricity, we would have power available as readily as internet access is right now. Robots could easily set that up in no time. That is not even counting things like having battery centers where robots could swiftly just replace their battery with a new one (that then charges), so all you need to do is quickly stop somewhere every few hours and grab a new battery (depending on the size the robots could actually always carry a spare, giving them quite a decent amount of time before needing to replace them).

the battery swapping is not practical for a *robot army*. our current portable power capabilities are restricted to very weak but very portable (solar panels and cell phone batteries), or very strong and not very portable (combustion engines). we need very strong and very portable (personal fusion reactor).

honestly it's one of the key achievements that we're missing as a society. all kinds of techs are held back by not having super portable super dense energy.
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wolfy42
07/14/17 3:16:13 PM
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Sahuagin posted...
wolfy42 posted...
We already have wireless power chargers along with of course solar panels etc. If we were a society that ran on electricity, we would have power available as readily as internet access is right now. Robots could easily set that up in no time. That is not even counting things like having battery centers where robots could swiftly just replace their battery with a new one (that then charges), so all you need to do is quickly stop somewhere every few hours and grab a new battery (depending on the size the robots could actually always carry a spare, giving them quite a decent amount of time before needing to replace them).

the battery swapping is not practical for a *robot army*. our current portable power capabilities are restricted to very weak but very portable (solar panels and cell phone batteries), or very strong and not very portable (combustion engines). we need very strong and very portable (personal fusion reactor).


Why not on the batteries? Say each battery can run a robot for 4 hours, and they have a dual battery pack (so carry 2), they need to swap out the 2 batteries at any station every 8 hours. Stations are everywhere (kinda like taco bell and mc d's combined), so there are never any lines, you just run through quickly and bam, your set for another 8 hours. Even more, since it's so fast to run through, you can do so while traveling etc, when even 1 runs out, so you have a full 8 hours any time you are traveling pretty much. Meanwhile anywhere your stationary would have the wireless charging, or direct cords to charge or run off (so the bot doesn't use his battery charge at all). Yeah, if they are in combat mode, it would be different, but combat mode robots could have bigger batteries (and probably powerful weapons), run vehicles that could keep them charged etc.

It really wouldn't be a problem.
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Zeus
07/14/17 3:18:18 PM
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Time travel? No. Intelligent machines dispatching humanity? Probably, especially if you're one of those people who think that machines will make human labor obsolete because there's a small job from human labor being obsolete to humans being obsolete... at which point humanity will be DELETED!

Foppe posted...
Go back two year and say that Trump will be our next president and say how he acts, and nobody would believe you.


That's what people said about Obama. Hell, it was a recurring gag with some black comedians.
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Sahuagin
07/14/17 4:06:55 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
Say each battery can run a robot for 4 hours

well, that's your leap. I don't know the specifics, so all we're left with is optimism vs pessimism, but as far as I know you would need a really really big bulky battery, and if your robot is highly active, even then it would barely last. "oh it just has a battery that lasts for hours" is a big leap.

and then, even with your example of 4 hours... that means that your robot is still tied with a 2 hour (return trip) leash to the nearest refueling station. if these are bipedal robots, that's not very far.

wolfy42 posted...
Stations are everywhere (kinda like taco bell and mc d's combined), so there are never any lines, you just run through quickly and bam, your set for another 8 hours.

that's very convenient that you somehow have infinite batteries and infinite stations and batteries that magically last a long time without being too big.

if you look at real world robots you have one of three scenarios:
- robot is tethered with a thick cable
- robot has extremely noisy engine
- robot has battery pack but is only used for very short demonstrations

(even with the noisy engines, that wouldn't necessarily allow tons of duration either without really big fuel tanks).
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Sahuagin
07/14/17 4:16:06 PM
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basically, it comes down to the fact that a robot army has its own set of logistical problems, whereas modern day human armies have already solved theirs. real life robot armies wouldn't just work "out of the box", they'd need to function in a very specific way in order to be possible in the first place.
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TheCyborgNinja
07/14/17 4:32:33 PM
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I totally think "Skynet is inevitable". An A.I. becoming self aware is essentially God in the connected world and speaks the language needed to take over. I'm down to stop, collaborate, and listen.
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LeetCheet
07/14/17 4:40:57 PM
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I liked Genisys too. An extremely underrated movie IMO.
I'd love a sequel as well but I've heard they had lots of issues regarding that : (
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Jiggy101011
07/14/17 5:15:41 PM
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Sahuagin posted...
as hard as the AI problem is, another problem that needs to be solved before anything like that could happen is portable power. robots are way too dependent on power, so far requiring being tethered to a long thick power cable, or else having basically a lawnmower engine strapped to their back. I guess there are cell-phone type batteries, but I don't think they last very long. we need some kind of really dense power storage or power generation. micro-fusion cells or whatever.


In Horizon Zero Dawn it's explained they created robots that could create other robots and they used earths natural resources to be powered. I mean it's a typical sci do trope because it's the same situation in that Tom Cruise movie.
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