Poll of the Day > This 19 y/o Black Girl was BEATEN by COPS who thought she was a 5'10 BALD MAN!!!

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19 y/o Tatyana Hrgrove was contronted by police at gunpoint and PUNCHED in the mouth and BITTEN by a police dog after she was mistaken for a marcher LARGER BALD MAN who was suspected of threatening people with a machete!!

The NAACP caught wind of the attack that contends that race played a role in the incident as the video viewed more than 3 million times.

She is shown now in crutches with close ups of the scratches, bites, bruises and scrapes on her face and body.

Tatyana was riding her bike to a store to buy a Father's Day gift on June 19th but the stoer was closed and went back home. The temperatures were high at 102F and had 3 water bottles in her backpack so she stopped to drink..

She said "I turned around and there were 3 cop cars and one of the officers already had his gun drawn at me"

It escalated after the officers demanded to look in her backpack and she asked if they had a warrant..The Officer then grabbed her by the wrist and neck and punched he and threw her to the ground where she was then bitten by a dog.

A cop put his knee on her back and another knee on her head.

She said "I told him i can't breathe, i can't breathe and i started yelling out somebody help, somebody help me, they're gonna kill me"

Tatyana was then arrested for suspicion of resisting and delaying an officer and aggravated assault after they beat her and threw her in a cop car and said she LOOKED like a guy that matched their description.

Her parents are furious as he rmother was in tears after hearing of the attack..

The cops later told her mom it was a case of mistaken identity and when she asked if her daughter was ok, the cop said "Well she's alive and she's in the hospital"

Her father said "They would say my daughter attacked them come on, she's 5'2 and 115lbs soaking wet and that she would attack a 200lb man"

Police mistook her for a 5'10 BALD MAN who was also 170lbs in their description..He was also a 25-30 year old man

Christopher Moore who arrested her said she "appeared to be a male and matched the description of the suspected". He said they only got aggressive because she started to leave and didn't realize she was female until she said her first name...

The real suspect was 24 y/o Douglas Washington who now in jail..

Do you think Tatyana matches a description of a 5'10 Bald Man at 170lbs? let's see what people think

Tatyana - Attacked

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Her parents -

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mrduckbear posted...

It escalated after the officers demanded to look in her backpack and she asked if they had a warrant..The Officer then grabbed her by the wrist and neck and punched he and threw her to the ground where she was then bitten by a dog.

You don't need a warrant for a street search. You don't even need it for a search of a car.

mrduckbear posted...

The cops later told her mom it was a case of mistaken identity and when she asked if her daughter was ok, the cop said "Well she's alive and she's in the hospital"

There's no way he fucking said it like that. lulz if he did, though, since that's such a dirtbag insensitive way to break news like that.

mrduckbear posted...

The real suspect was 24 y/o Douglas Washington who now in jail..

Do you think Tatyana matches a description of a 5'10 Bald Man at 170lbs? let's see what people think

Would need to see the photo of the guy, which is why this is #FakeNews

She looks kinda like a dude in those photos and, if she was on a bike, they wouldn't be able to tell her height as well. The only thing is the hair, but -- and I haven't seen any alleged video yet -- it's possible that she could have been wearing something on her head. Otherwise, if they didn't mistake her for somebody, that would mean that they just picked a random black chick out to attack for no reason.
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It's unfortunate, but there's an obviously huge amount of spin on this too, and if everyone played the "mistake identity" card and got let go, nobody would be in prison for anything unless they were stupid. The whole thing is a mess.
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mrduckbear posted...

19 y/o Tatyana Hrgrove was contronted by police at gunpoint and PUNCHED in the mouth and BITTEN by a police dog after she was mistaken for a marcher LARGER BALD MAN who was suspected of threatening people with a machete!!

Everything aside, no matter what she looked like, unless they have a good reason to believe that she too, had a machete, any level of force is unacceptable. It will probably never go anywhere but she needs to sue anyway.
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Police officers... Should NOT do PCP.

No one should for that matter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZALZ-bH9w
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Syntheticon posted...

mrduckbear posted...

19 y/o Tatyana Hrgrove was contronted by police at gunpoint and PUNCHED in the mouth and BITTEN by a police dog after she was mistaken for a marcher LARGER BALD MAN who was suspected of threatening people with a machete!!

Everything aside, no matter what she looked like, unless they have a good reason to believe that she too, had a machete, any level of force is unacceptable. It will probably never go anywhere but she needs to sue anyway.

Keep in mind that this is just her account. Apparently the so-called video isn't a recording of the attack, but the girl discussing what she claims happened.
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Zeus posted...

You don't need a warrant for a street search. You don't even need it for a search of a car.

You do however need probable cause. I'll give you she has a masculine appearance, I'll even give you she was on a bike and that could have made it harder to judge her height(I disagree that it would cause an 8" difference but w/e), so seeing her at a distance and stopping her, I think is suspect but I'm ok with. But the police should not be employing anyone who still thinks it is probable that not only is she a 170 pound man almost a foot taller than she is, but that she is the specific man they are looking for after detaining her.
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mrduckbear posted...

It escalated after the officers demanded to look in her backpack and she asked if they had a warrant..

... and there is the problem. I often notice in these stories the reason these things happen is because the "victim" is stupid.
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wwinterj25 posted...

... and there is the problem. I often notice in these stories the reason these things happen is because the "victim" is stupid.

Cops planting evidence in a search is rare, but not unheard of. She is fully within her rights to avoid a search if they have no cause.

for the record this is about the height difference between her and the suspect they thought she was.
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Lol, the damage caused by the police is greater than the actual crime they were called to
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she was dressed like a man and speaking in Ebonics at the time
the cop probably thought she was a delinquent when she pulled out that 'i have rights' stuff
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slacker03150 posted...

for the record this is about the height difference between her and the suspect they thought she was.
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/79/590x/secondary/George-Clooney-260120.jpg

Danny Devito is 4'10". George Clooney is 5'11". That's THIRTEEN inches of difference vs eight, or another FIVE inches. More importantly, no bike is involved. Given that a lot of height is in the legs, sitting down brings the height even closer and makes it harder to tell
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Fair, next.
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Zeus posted...

Danny Devito is 4'10". George Clooney is 5'11". That's THIRTEEN inches of difference vs eight, or another FIVE inches. More importantly, no bike is involved. Given that a lot of height is in the legs, sitting down brings the height even closer and makes it harder to tell

my internet search failed me, it said he was 5'0" and I used him because I didn't have a good picture of him and ben stiller, but if he is only 4'10" robin williams would be fairly close.

Best I have of robin williams.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/02/4d/27/024d2700269614722fef2eedc2137e16.jpg
Still a pretty big difference and only an inch difference.

That said my mom is about 5'2" she could be sitting, on a bike, on a ladder, in an suv, there is no situation where she looks 5'10". That said if you are having a hard time telling her height from her being on a bicycle ask her to step off the bicycle for the stop. That is a legal request unlike searching her bag without probable cause.
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mrduckbear posted...

The NAACP caught wind of the attack that contends that race played a role in the incident as the video viewed more than 3 million times.

So when it was viewed 3 million times and under the NAACP was of the opinion that race was not an issue?

mrduckbear posted...

Do you think Tatyana matches a description of a 5'10 Bald Man at 170lbs?

Given the identity politics of the modern day it's apparently more racist to say that he doesn't. For all we know that's how he self identifies.
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slacker03150 posted...

Zeus posted...

Danny Devito is 4'10". George Clooney is 5'11". That's THIRTEEN inches of difference vs eight, or another FIVE inches. More importantly, no bike is involved. Given that a lot of height is in the legs, sitting down brings the height even closer and makes it harder to tell

my internet search failed me, it said he was 5'0" and I used him because I didn't have a good picture of him and ben stiller, but if he is only 4'10" robin williams would be fairly close.

Best I have of robin williams.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/02/4d/27/024d2700269614722fef2eedc2137e16.jpg
Still a pretty big difference and only an inch difference.

That said my mom is about 5'2" she could be sitting, on a bike, on a ladder, in an suv, there is no situation where she looks 5'10". That said if you are having a hard time telling her height from her being on a bicycle ask her to step off the bicycle for the stop. That is a legal request unlike searching her bag without probable cause.

Again, you can't reliably judge height on a bike; it's hard enough to accurately gauge height while somebody is just sitting in a chair. You're always going to be off by a margin. Plus height evaluations are relative to your own height. It's not like they're sticking a tape measure next to the person.
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Zeus posted...

Again, you can't reliably judge height on a bike; it's hard enough to accurately gauge height while somebody is just sitting in a chair. You're always going to be off by a margin. Plus height evaluations are relative to your own height. It's not like they're sticking a tape measure next to the person.

Im not saying you can accurrately say she is 5'2 while she is on a bike. Maybe you think she could be 5'5, but you should accurrately be able to say she is not 5'10. That is a large difference even on a bike.
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slacker03150 posted...

Zeus posted...

Again, you can't reliably judge height on a bike; it's hard enough to accurately gauge height while somebody is just sitting in a chair. You're always going to be off by a margin. Plus height evaluations are relative to your own height. It's not like they're sticking a tape measure next to the person.

Im not saying you can accurrately say she is 5'2 while she is on a bike. Maybe you think she could be 5'5, but you should accurrately be able to say she is not 5'10. That is a large difference even on a bike.

Except you can't. When a bike is in motion, you might be able to tell the difference between 7' and 5', but within 8 inches would be extremely tough even with a stopped bike. And again, nobody just knows what these heights look like, as you demonstrated by getting two peoples' heights wrong. 5'10 isn't exceptionally tall nor is 5'2 exceptionally short. When on a bike, their heights look reasonably similar where you could easily mistake it at a glance.

And, in general, if I saw a 5'10" person, I'd assume his height could be as low as 5'5" -- because all I know is that he's a good deal shorter than me -- and somebody who's 5'2" I might think is as tall as 5'5". Seeing them side by side would make the difference obvious, but they weren't looking at two people side by side. They were looking at one person on a bike.
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Zeus posted...

Except you can't. When a bike is in motion,

As I said, I dont think there was a problem stopping her. The problem is after she was stopped and they could talk to her, ask her to get off the bike, and do a general once over they still decided that they needed to check her bag. But by that point they had her stopped long enough to check her bag they should have had the time to see she was not a 5'10 170 lbs man. There are steps inbetween stopping someone and digging through their stuff.

They had reasonable suspicion to stop her, but not to search her.


Zeus posted...

And again, nobody just knows what these heights look like, as you demonstrated by getting two peoples' heights wrong

Yes I was off by 2 inches on a man I have never seen in person. I was not off 8 inches on a person standing in front of me.

Zeus posted...

And, in general, if I saw a 5'10" person, I'd assume his height could be as low as 5'5" -- because all I know is that he's a good deal shorter than me -- and somebody who's 5'2" I might think is as tall as 5'5". Seeing them side by side would make the difference obvious, but they weren't looking at two people side by side. They were looking at one person on a bike.

I agree. Small differences in height can reasonably be confused especially at a distance, but she was detained and talking to the officers who are suppossed to be trained observers. It is understandable that you may not be used to estimating someones height, but it is a very important part of their job that they can tell the diference between 5'2 and 5'10 for this exact reason. They need to be able to descrribe and identify suspects.

Suspects they are standing next to having a conversation with should be easy mode for their job.
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slacker03150 posted...

As I said, I dont think there was a problem stopping her. The problem is after she was stopped and they could talk to her, ask her to get off the bike, and do a general once over they still decided that they needed to check her bag. But by that point they had her stopped long enough to check her bag they should have had the time to see she was not a 5'10 170 lbs man. There are steps inbetween stopping someone and digging through their stuff.

They had reasonable suspicion to stop her, but not to search her.

Again, you can't really tell when somebody is on a bike and she immediately resisted. Given that she was on a bicycle, she was automatically a high flight risk. Bikes are more maneuverable than cars in urban settings and faster than people.

slacker03150 posted...

I agree. Small differences in height can reasonably be confused especially at a distance, but she was detained and talking to the officers who are suppossed to be trained observers. It is understandable that you may not be used to estimating someones height, but it is a very important part of their job that they can tell the diference between 5'2 and 5'10 for this exact reason. They need to be able to descrribe and identify suspects.

Suspects they are standing next to having a conversation with should be easy mode for their job.

Again, bike. Plus you're overestimating the amount of "height training" that officers get which is automatically going to be thrown off by a bike.
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Zeus posted...

Again, bike. Plus you're overestimating the amount of "height training" that officers get which is automatically going to be thrown off by a bike.

Ya sure know lots for a guy that never leaves POTD.
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Zeus posted...

Again, you can't really tell when somebody is on a bike and she immediately resisted. Given that she was on a bicycle, she was automatically a high flight risk. Bikes are more maneuverable than cars in urban settings and faster than people.

Once again it is a legal order to get off the bike during a stop. They can arrest her for resisting arrest if she does not comply. At which point searching the bag becomes ok. Just outright demanding to search the bag is not legal.
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It escalated after the officers demanded to look in her backpack and she asked if they had a warrant..The Officer then grabbed her by the wrist and neck and punched he and threw her to the ground where she was then bitten by a dog.

There's the problem. Just let the officers do their damn job and quit being stubborn.

The mistake might not have been genuine, but if it was, then the problem of a "5'10 bald man" being mistaken for her(vice versa) by witnesses is a possibility. And hell, no matter how unlikely it is, she could easily be an accomplice just as anyone could. They have no reason to assume one way or the other.

Regardless, a man is attacking people with a goddamn machete. I'm not going to get in their way with this information and even if she was ignorant to this fact(which is more than likely), it's all the more reason to not question them and let them work.

I'm not voting, because I'm not sure if it was an "innocent" mistake or not, but she chose to be problematic. That's on her.
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