Poll of the Day > Why do people only hate Superman for being Overpowered

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Metal_Gear_Link
07/02/17 2:28:23 PM
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but not other characters who are even stronger such as DR Manhattan, White lantern, Franklin Richards, Beerus etc.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/02/17 2:43:26 PM
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Because most of the other characters you mentioned aren't protagonists.


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dedbus
07/02/17 3:53:30 PM
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Probably because superman is more ubiquitous towards the role.
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Foppe
07/02/17 4:52:02 PM
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We have had millions of stories with Superman for almost 80 years.
The other characters are relatively new and have only been in a handful of stories compared to Superman.
And none of them are the boyscout like Supes.
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Dreaming_King
07/02/17 4:55:36 PM
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Pretty sure more people hate him for being so painfully boring than being OP, although the two are linked.
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TheCyborgNinja
07/02/17 5:04:29 PM
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I hate Hulk for being overpowered. He's a fucking doofus and just gets stronger as his mentally ill rage gets more out of hand.
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snowboard340
07/02/17 5:18:21 PM
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I hate him because he's really boring, not because of him being overpowered.

For example, Saitama from One punch man is extremely overpowered, but he's my favorite super hero despite it because of his personality and the way he acts.
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HorrorJudasGoat
07/02/17 8:06:43 PM
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Because he's an adult boy scout.
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KCGemini
07/02/17 8:14:57 PM
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Surprised I didn't see a "because Goku" answer.
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Lokarin
07/02/17 8:23:06 PM
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Because he has the power of a god and only picks on purse snatchers...

He's a metaphor for the brutality and imbalance of modern law enforcement
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Muscles
07/02/17 8:39:46 PM
#11:


Lokarin posted...
Because he has the power of a god and only picks on purse snatchers...

He's a metaphor for the brutality and imbalance of modern law enforcement

What? Pretty sure supes doesn't go around killing innocent people
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dedbus
07/02/17 11:08:49 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Because he has the power of a god and only picks on purse snatchers...

He's a metaphor for the brutality and imbalance of modern law enforcement


Actually wasn't he created as a metaphor for balancing a woefully inadequate police force against a brutal and ruthless criminal element that was rampant at the time?
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ParanoidObsessive
07/02/17 11:32:04 PM
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dedbus posted...
Actually wasn't he created as a metaphor for balancing a woefully inadequate police force against a brutal and ruthless criminal element that was rampant at the time?

No, not even close.


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dedbus
07/02/17 11:49:05 PM
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I thought I saw something like that on history channel or maybe comic book men. The original creator's mother or someone was killed and the character was created as a way to make up for his helplessness for it. I might have injected the police metaphor a little bit.
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FrozenBananas
07/03/17 12:06:43 AM
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Dreaming_King posted...
Pretty sure more people hate him for being so painfully boring than being OP, although the two are linked.


actually, this. I don't hate him for being overpowered, I dislike him for being boring as fuck and emotionless
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Duck-I-Says
07/03/17 1:38:49 PM
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Most of the people who hate Superman have never read a Superman comic. They hate him because of a pop culture caricature of him.
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Muffinz0rz
07/03/17 2:07:10 PM
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Can someone who has read the comics share with me exactly how he can be beaten without the use of kryptonite?
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Mead
07/03/17 2:09:10 PM
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Duck-I-Says posted...
Most of the people who hate Superman have never read a Superman comic. They hate him because of a pop culture caricature of him.


This.
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synth_real
07/03/17 2:26:41 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Can someone who has read the comics share with me exactly how he can be beaten without the use of kryptonite?

Epic, dragged-out fights against powerful cosmic entities (one of whom was created specifically to kill him)
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Foppe
07/03/17 3:50:22 PM
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synth_real posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Can someone who has read the comics share with me exactly how he can be beaten without the use of kryptonite?

Epic, dragged-out fights against powerful cosmic entities (one of whom was created specifically to kill him)


Pretty sure Doomsday had kryptonite in his body, which is why he could beat Supes.

Magic can beat him, and the DC universe is filled with it.
The third alternative is the sun. The yellow sun powers him, and without it he is just a battery that wont get charged. A red sun removes all his powers.
The fourth alternative is to use a suneater on him. It will suck out his powers and change his cells on a lowlevel so he cant get refilled by sunlight. He will still be more powerful than a normal human and he can jump really far, but he cant fly and a bullet hitting him in the right spot will kill him.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/03/17 3:57:08 PM
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Also, it's worth noting that not every fight is a case of "Who can hit who as hard as they possibly can?" A lot of Superman's more interesting stories are ones that barely involve actual combat at all, or where all of his strength is more or less useless against an enemy, because you can't actually punch every problem to death.


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Yellow
07/03/17 3:59:08 PM
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Superman has his moments, he just isn't done well a lot of the time.

The show was great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwoXARqonns

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Metal_Gear_Link
07/03/17 4:39:37 PM
#23:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Can someone who has read the comics share with me exactly how he can be beaten without the use of kryptonite?


@Muffinz0rz he can be hurt or killed whitout the need of kriptonite or magic if the adversary is stronger than him or a bit weaker but whiting the same level

He is nit invulnerable, he is just very resilient
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TigerTycoon
07/03/17 4:58:30 PM
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Inconsistent portrayal of strength is a problem with American comics in general because they can't have the hero fighting the strongest villains all the time, but because of villain recycling it doesn't make any sense when a hero beats someone extremely powerful but still has trouble fighting those who are much weaker. It's an extreme suspension of disbelief breaker.

Superman is just the epitome of it.

And don't bring up the terrible excuses for it like "he's holding back" or "he won't kill" or any of that nonsense, you know it's just an excuse as much as the writers do. Looking like he's having a hard time fighting someone weak and letting lots of people get hurt/die because of it and because killing super villains isn't allowed (because they must be recycled) is not believable. To enjoy American comics you must be willing to put this aside, and many people do, but many people can't.

One Punch Man is an obvious parody of this situation, because for someone who has clearly toppled the highest of the highs, he really doesn't have any trouble fighting anyone, rather than have his strength adjusted so there is always drama to the battles.
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Metal_Gear_Link
07/03/17 4:59:27 PM
#25:


Foppe posted...
synth_real posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Can someone who has read the comics share with me exactly how he can be beaten without the use of kryptonite?

Epic, dragged-out fights against powerful cosmic entities (one of whom was created specifically to kill him)


Pretty sure Doomsday had kryptonite in his body, which is why he could beat Supes.

Magic can beat him, and the DC universe is filled with it.
The third alternative is the sun. The yellow sun powers him, and without it he is just a battery that wont get charged. A red sun removes all his powers.
The fourth alternative is to use a suneater on him. It will suck out his powers and change his cells on a lowlevel so he cant get refilled by sunlight. He will still be more powerful than a normal human and he can jump really far, but he cant fly and a bullet hitting him in the right spot will kill him.


He can be fatally wounded whitout magic or Kriptonite by similarly powerful beings such as current Wonder Woman, other kriptonias, brainiac, Mongul darkSeid etc

He is just the 'strongest mortal non cosmic DC hero on his 'base state' ' but powered up versions of other characters such as pharalax Green lantern stomp him.

DC themselves says he has limits. I don't know where does the idea that he has no limits comes from
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Foppe
07/04/17 3:28:30 AM
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To be fair, his strengths and weaknesses depends on the writer.
Some times seeing a tiny bit of kryptonite is enough to make him fall helpless on the ground while other times he can be near bigger pieces of kryptonite without any problems, because "he knew that kryptonite would suddenly appear so he uses all his strength to hide that he is affected by it".
And thats not even close to his 60-70s stories where the writer made up bs superpowers that were only used once and then forgotten that they existed.
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Metal_Gear_Link
07/04/17 11:40:10 AM
#27:


Foppe posted...
To be fair, his strengths and weaknesses depends on the writer.
Some times seeing a tiny bit of kryptonite is enough to make him fall helpless on the ground while other times he can be near bigger pieces of kryptonite without any problems, because "he knew that kryptonite would suddenly appear so he uses all his strength to hide that he is affected by it".
And thats not even close to his 60-70s stories where the writer made up bs superpowers that were only used once and then forgotten that they existed.


Like when he could create a mini superman copy of himself or when Pink kriptonite made him gay?

https://pics.me.me/fact-feed-me-there-is-a-pink-kryptonite-that-turns-4353827.png
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ParanoidObsessive
07/04/17 11:56:37 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
Inconsistent portrayal of strength is a problem with American comics in general because they can't have the hero fighting the strongest villains all the time

Arguably a larger factor is the rotating cast of writers on any given comic title that isn't independent and runs for more than a few issues.

When Writer A establishes a character at a specific level of strength, but then Writer B comes along and ups their power level, only for Writer C to dramatically scale them back before Writer D turns them into a memetic god, it becomes really hard to have anything resembling a consistent view of just what a character is capable of.

Superman's actually a perfect example of this. In the 40s when he was first created, he was literally just a really strong guy (he didn't even FLY as much as he could leap really far, sort of the way the Hulk does), but into the 50s and 60s he kept getting stronger and stronger until the joke basically became that he'd invent new powers for himself every week. Then 1980s Superman was dramatically depowered to make him more believable, in the 90s they gave him a few more powers and made him a bit stronger again, and the current version of the character is one of the weaker versions.

Batman's the same way - is he a gritty tortured soul or a relatively light-hearted crusader? Someone who absolutely refuses to kill, someone who isn't necessarily against killing but simply refuses to use a GUN to do so, or someone who has absolutely no problem shooting a bad guy if he needs to? Is he a street-level hero beating up mostly normal people with various mental illnesses wearing funny costumes, or is he the sort of guy who builds his own Bat-Spaceship and occasionally fights cosmic god monsters on other planets? Depending on the writer and the era, he's been all of those things and more.

Marvel used to be a bit more consistent than DC, but they've kind of thrown that out the window lately as well.

Generally speaking, when we're talking about major characters who've existed longer than most people on this website have been alive, you're never really going to get a single, well-defined version of said character.

Manga tends to be slightly better about this, but only because nearly every manga (including ones that have run for decades) are written by a single author, and when they get tired of doing it the series ends. But even those have the occasional quirks where a writer changes their mind along the way about how powerful a given character should be/is and rebalance the power levels.


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ParanoidObsessive
07/04/17 11:58:03 AM
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Metal_Gear_Link posted...
Like when he could create a mini superman copy of himself or when Pink kriptonite made him gay?

Or worse, when this happened to him in the 1990s, when we all should have known better because it wasn't the 60s anymore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_Red/Superman_Blue#.22Superman_Red.2FSuperman_Blue.22


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