Poll of the Day > Young CHRISTIANS let their Child DIE because they believed in FAITH HEALING!!!

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Young Christian Couple in Oregon let her premature child DIE because they believed in PRAYER HEALING and shunned modern medicine!!

24 y/o Sarah Mitchell and 21 y/o Travis Lee Mitchell are charged with murder and criminal mistreatment after they used prayer healing in the death of their premature child as they turned themselves in to Clackamas County Jail on accusations of murder by neglect and first degree criminal mistreatment

They were under investigation since March when Sarah delivered twin girls at her grandparents home and one of the babies, Ginnier Mitchell had breathing problems and died a few hours after birth..She was 16 inches long and weighed 3lbs.

They were members of the Followers of Christ Church who embrace faith based healing

Several of their church whackos were already convicted of crimes for failing to seek medical care for their children including Sarah's SISTER and her husband!!

The deaths had the lawmakers in 2011 to remove faith healing as a legal defense in murder and manslaughter cases.

Ginnifer was several weeks premature and her lungs were underdeveloped to allow her to breathe unassisted for long.

Investigators said the child would not have occurred suddenly and there would have been signs that the infant was having difficulty breathing including skin discolouration. Her death was PREVENTABLE if they were given medical care in a hospital

60 people were in the room when the baby was born including 3 midwives, family members and church members but NO ONE called 911 when Ginnifer struggled to breathe and died in their hands..

Evelyn, the other twin girl was also struggling to breathe as law enforcement persuaded them to get her to the hospital..she survived upon arrival.

1000 members are at this church that operations in Oregon and Idaho as many believe in a literal scripture that says faith heals all and if someone dies, it's GOD'S WILL!!

Politicians across the country are passing laws that making it illegal for christians to use "God's Will" as a defense for their child dying...

Do you think Christians who use FAITH HEALING for their extremely sick children should be prosecuted? let's see what people think

Sarah - Christian Whacko

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/06/03/41230A0000000578-4575266-image-a-20_1496715948479.jpg

Travis - Christian Whacko

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/06/03/4123093800000578-4575266-image-m-19_1496715937637.jpg

Ginnifer Tombstone -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/06/03/41249F0700000578-4575266-image-a-24_1496717426711.jpg

Evil Church -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/06/03/41249F0F00000578-4575266-image-a-25_1496717432851.jpg
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Muslims are bad.

*takes match and gallon jug of gasoline, goes to town"

Prosecuted? More like executed. They murdered their child.
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As a Christian, I'm appalled at this.

This is ridiculous. People who think that the modern world has no place in their faith......that's just being in denial. Faith and modern ingenuity can intermingle. It's not irreconcilable.
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Full Throttle posted...

Young Christian Couple in Oregon let her premature child DIE because they believed in PRAYER HEALING and shunned modern medicine!!

It's a shame because they were so young and everyone around them would have been all 'praise da lawd, praise jeebus' no matter how bad things got or if they were uncertain of doing the right thing. In this case, it's would be a good idea to throw a manslaughter charge at the family and church leaders too.

This happens so much now. They need to beat the parents to death with hammers and put it on TV. See how willingly they serve "God's will" knowing getting smashed apart will follow their child's death.
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Full Throttle posted...

she survived upon arrival.

Well that's a new term.
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I'll say the same thing I did when Casey Anthony was going up for trial -- In a country with legal abortion, it's silly to brook this much outrage over an infant's death. Be consistent, America, especially since this exactly falls within the views of many pro-abortion feminists including several who I've argued with on these very boards (although since I haven't seen them after it's possible that they were troll alts).

Full Throttle posted...

Ginnifer was several weeks premature and her lungs were underdeveloped to allow her to breathe unassisted for long.

Investigators said the child would not have occurred suddenly and there would have been signs that the infant was having difficulty breathing including skin discolouration. Her death was PREVENTABLE if they were given medical care in a hospital

Half-wondering how true that actually is.
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argonautweakend posted...

Muslims are bad.

*takes match and gallon jug of gasoline, goes to town"

Well, this is why extremist of any kind is bad for society my friend
And those politicians passing the reasoning of "god will" as self defense for murder? WTF!
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60 people in there while she's giving birth? Man that's gotta be awkward.
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Alexandra_Trent posted...

As a Christian, I'm appalled at this.

This is ridiculous. People who think that the modern world has no place in their faith......that's just being in denial. Faith and modern ingenuity can intermingle. It's not irreconcilable.

AverageBoss posted...

Alexandra_Trent posted...

As a Christian, I'm appalled at this.

This is ridiculous. People who think that the modern world has no place in their faith......that's just being in denial. Faith and modern ingenuity can intermingle. It's not irreconcilable.

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Kid would've grown up to be a criminal

Clearly God saved them all
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VeeVees posted...

Prosecuted? More like executed. They murdered their child.

This. It wasn't like the child could choose what kind of treatment he or she wanted.
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Full Throttle posted...

Do you think Christians who use faith healing on their sick children should be prosecute

Being as they are purposely putting the child at a higher risk of dying by refusing help and/or medication then yes. I understand they have their beliefs but when it's a matter of life or death I think you would go the most logical route. Praying doesn't save anyone from death.
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@Zeus

You... You seriously think abortion and letting your child die from faith healing are the same? They are not at all on the same level.

One involves refusing life saving medical treatment in hopes of getting help from God, one involves killing something that isn't even human. This is low quality trolling, even for you.
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What kind of grave stone is that? Looks like they just wrote on it with magic marker.

jedirood posted...

@ Zeus

You... You seriously think abortion and letting your child die from faith healing are the same? They are not at all on the same level.

One involves refusing life saving medical treatment in hopes of getting help from God, one involves killing something that isn't even human. This is low quality trolling, even for you.

@jedirood

I find it hypocritical to care so little about one yet so much about the other, considering that the two states are mere months apart. Pretending that you don't understand the issue is either deliberate ignorance or deliberate trolling, either one of which is directly in your wheelhouse.
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Letting your child die for faith is not at all the same as abortion.

Also, if I'm a troll, why has no one else called me such, but everyone considers you as such?
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jedirood posted...

Letting your child die for faith is not at all the same as abortion.

True

jedirood posted...

one involves killing something that isn't even human

Uh...what?
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

jedirood posted...

Letting your child die for faith is not at all the same as abortion.

True

jedirood posted...

one involves killing something that isn't even human

Uh...what?

A fetus. If it doesn't have a Brain, it's not human.
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jedirood posted...

Letting your child die for faith is not at all the same as abortion.

He didn't die "for faith" but, on a more general level, choosing to kill a child is worse than not treating a child because even when the result winds up being the same there's the matter of intent. And if you don't value life in its early stages in one context, it's silly to be outraged over the other context.

jedirood posted...

Also, if I'm a troll, why has no one else called me such, but everyone considers you as such?

You seem to have that backwards. Not that you've had much self-awareness. In general, I've never seen you contribute anything to a discussion except bait and insults.

jedirood posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

jedirood posted...

Letting your child die for faith is not at all the same as abortion.

True

jedirood posted...

one involves killing something that isn't even human

Uh...what?

A fetus. If it doesn't have a Brain, it's not human.

lol, just lol
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jedirood posted...

A fetus. If it doesn't have a Brain, it's not human.

Yes, I can see how a human fetus isn't human.
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All of your lives are forfeit. Time only appears to save you from your fate. Many years from now, at your end, it will be as the same moment now.

Not worry, not grief, not suffering will add up to any measure giving you any more choice than you already have been offered.

The wine of your agony will never be poured out.
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*Sigh*

I need to stop posting in political threads. Stupidity runs rampant and I don't need further stress.

I contribute plenty of other things, like games and stuff. It's always you(Zeus) who says something remarkably idiotic, before resorting to insults and blatant lies, as well as strawman arguments.
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

jedirood posted...

A fetus. If it doesn't have a Brain, it's not human.

Yes, I can see how a human fetus isn't human.

Without a brain, it's nothing more than a collection of cells
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jedirood posted...

Without a brain, it's nothing more than a collection of cells

And? A severed human toe is still human. A human brain tumor is still human. A zygote also happens to have a completely unique set of DNA, and that DNA is undeniably, biologically human if it has human parents.

More importantly, a fetus (at least for humans) is classified as 9 weeks into development. By that time, it has indeed developed a brain, although only barely with minimum functionality. Without making any sort of judgment on the ethics of abortion, you are wrong according to your own criteria.
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tropic don't bother jedirood is probably high af because he eats too much devil's lettuce
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Zeus posted...

jedirood posted...

Letting your child die for faith is not at all the same as abortion.

He didn't die "for faith" but, on a more general level, choosing to kill a child is worse than not treating a child because even when the result winds up being the same there's the matter of intent. And if you don't value life in its early stages in one context, it's silly to be outraged over the other context.

jedirood posted...

Also, if I'm a troll, why has no one else called me such, but everyone considers you as such?

You seem to have that backwards. Not that you've had much self-awareness. In general, I've never seen you contribute anything to a discussion except bait and insults.

jedirood posted...

Tropic_Sunset posted...

jedirood posted...

Letting your child die for faith is not at all the same as abortion.

True

jedirood posted...

one involves killing something that isn't even human

Uh...what?

A fetus. If it doesn't have a Brain, it's not human.

lol, just lol

Except for the fact that fetuses aren't children.
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

jedirood posted...

Without a brain, it's nothing more than a collection of cells

And? A severed human toe is still human. A human brain tumor is still human. A zygote also happens to have a completely unique set of DNA, and that DNA is undeniably, biologically human if it has human parents.

More importantly, a fetus (at least for humans) is classified as 9 weeks into development. By that time, it has indeed developed a brain, although only barely with minimum functionality. Without making any sort of judgment on the ethics of abortion, you are wrong according to your own criteria.

Okay, I'll give you that. I got my terms wrong.

But if you count every individual piece as a human, you reach an entirely different area where you have to ask if amputation is wrong.

See how stupid that is?
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Life begins at birth, not conception. A fetus is not a person otherwise we'd call it a person.

jedirood posted...

But if you count every individual piece as a human, you reach an entirely different area where you have to ask if amputation is wrong.

Not at all. After amputation, it's still a human whatever. That is not debatable. If it was, you'd have situations where surgeons wonder why the fuck they suddenly have a wolf leg in their arms, or they'd be freaking out because HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?!?

That's tongue in cheek of course, but it's still a human arm or a human leg or whatever. Still, you're on the right track. The fact that it's simply human is irrelevant to whether or not it's bad to cut it out/off. Don't argue on pro-life terms if you're pro-choice. That's not a good tactic. They do have a point here, but the point is ultimately irrelevant. Personally, I'm fine with abortions up to a point. I don't think they're preferable to, say, emergency contraceptives, but as long as you get it done prior to a certain point in development, welcome to the future.

JTekashiro posted...

Life begins at birth, not conception. A fetus is not a person otherwise we'd call it a person.

Oh, I see. So even if you have a fully developed child perfectly capable of living on its own outside the uterus, it's fine to actually kill it so long as it hasn't been born yet. You might want to refine your position.

Jen0125 posted...

tropic don't bother jedirood is probably high af because he eats too much devil's lettuce

Dammit Jen, I get the feeling that rationally I shouldn't like you but you make me laugh so goddamn often.

Revelation34 posted...

Except for the fact that fetuses aren't children.

I mean...yeah, they kind of are, unless you are using a different definition of children than the dictionary. You're far enough along in development that the sex is clear, and they've developed most of their body to some degree.
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

Personally, I'm fine with abortions up to a point. I don't think they're preferable to, say, emergency contraceptives, but as long as you get it done prior to a certain point in development, welcome to the future.

As am I. I do agree with you here.
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Tropic_Sunset posted...

Oh, I see. So even if you have a fully developed child perfectly capable of living on its own outside the uterus, it's fine to actually kill it so long as it hasn't been born yet. You might want to refine your position.

Well he's right that a fetus isn't a person. That's different from human.

Tropic_Sunset posted...

I mean...yeah, they kind of are, unless you are using a different definition of children than the dictionary. You're far enough along in development that the sex is clear, and they've developed most of their body to some degree.

child
noun

1A young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority. They only have a chance to become a child. It's the same reason why calling a fetus a baby is wrong.
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This topic went places.
Still a abortion can be carried out up to 24 weeks of pregnancy over here in the UK. This would suggest that before that time the fetus is just that. Thus if you're getting a abortion you're not "killing a baby". You're simply aborting a fetus. After that stage I assume it's a baby thus killing it would be murder. It's not hard to grasp really.
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Revelation34 posted...

Well he's right that a fetus isn't a person. That's different from human.

I agree, but that's not that part I was taking issue with.
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