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You do realize that ISIS draws recruits from the internet and real life, right? One survives, with Millions of innocents dead and nothing would have changed.
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jedirood posted...

You do realize that ISIS draws recruits from the internet and real life, right? One survives, with Millions of innocents dead and nothing would have changed.

Who are you talking to?
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Sarcasthma posted...

jedirood posted...

You do realize that ISIS draws recruits from the internet and real life, right? One survives, with Millions of innocents dead and nothing would have changed.

Who are you talking to?

@Kyuubi4269.

Bombing won't help.
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@jedirood

He's warned, so you might have to wait a few days for a response.
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Smarkil posted...

I'm legitimately surprised the U.S. hasn't seen any terror attacks since...I think November? Makes me wonder why the UK and France are getting more atm.

Like him or not (which I am guessing not), Trump being in office is a huge deterrent to a lot of terror attacks because no one knows what the fuck he will do. I am willing to bet a lot of people in ISIS think that if they push the US too far it will be Hiroshima and Nagasaki all over again.

The only person willing to push his buttons is North Korea, and lets face it, they are run by a sociopath. Everybody else doesn't want to do anything. That is almost completely unheard of whenever a new President comes into power. Typically everyone wants to push the limits to see what they can get away with.
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Dikitain posted...

Smarkil posted...

I'm legitimately surprised the U.S. hasn't seen any terror attacks since...I think November? Makes me wonder why the UK and France are getting more atm.

Like him or not (which I am guessing not), Trump being in office is a huge deterrent to a lot of terror attacks because no one knows what the fuck he will do. I am willing to bet a lot of people in ISIS think that if they push the US too far it will be Hiroshima and Nagasaki all over again.

The only person willing to push his buttons is North Korea, and lets face it, they are run by a sociopath. Everybody else doesn't want to do anything. That is almost completely unheard of whenever a new President comes into power. Typically everyone wants to push the limits to see what they can get away with.

Trump has fuck all to do with it. It's really just the sheer geographic separation. Europe gets way more islamic terror attacks than the U.S. does, both currently and 10 years ago or however far back you want to go.

But I'll humor you. What were the onslaught of terror attacks that occurred in the first half year of 2009, to "test" Obama?
Terror attacks by an actual organization don't just get thought up one night and then carried out. Any time one happens or is attempted, you find out the culprit has been taking trips to some middle east country, training for months, was building bombs in his house, etc...

Sarcasthma posted...

@jedirood

He's warned, so you might have to wait a few days for a response.

I see.
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streamofthesky posted...

Dikitain posted...

Smarkil posted...

I'm legitimately surprised the U.S. hasn't seen any terror attacks since...I think November? Makes me wonder why the UK and France are getting more atm.

Like him or not (which I am guessing not), Trump being in office is a huge deterrent to a lot of terror attacks because no one knows what the fuck he will do. I am willing to bet a lot of people in ISIS think that if they push the US too far it will be Hiroshima and Nagasaki all over again.

The only person willing to push his buttons is North Korea, and lets face it, they are run by a sociopath. Everybody else doesn't want to do anything. That is almost completely unheard of whenever a new President comes into power. Typically everyone wants to push the limits to see what they can get away with.

Trump has fuck all to do with it. It's really just the sheer geographic separation. Europe gets way more islamic terror attacks than the U.S. does, both currently and 10 years ago or however far back you want to go.

But I'll humor you. What were the onslaught of terror attacks that occurred in the first half year of 2009, to "test" Obama?
Terror attacks by an actual organization don't just get thought up one night and then carried out. Any time one happens or is attempted, you find out the culprit has been taking trips to some middle east country, training for months, was building bombs in his house, etc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Little_Rock_recruiting_office_shooting

It is not just terror attacks though, it is stuff all over the world. Things like Israel invading the Gaza strip, Madagascar civil war, Iran and their Nuclear program. Notice how things like that aren't really happening.
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Dikitain posted...

It is not just terror attacks though, it is stuff all over the world. Things like Israel invading the Gaza strip, Madagascar civil war, Iran and their Nuclear program. Notice how things like that aren't really happening.

Many of those things are still happening. Power was recently cut to the Gaza strip, with thousands of soldiers ready to invade. Madagascar was on the brink of civil war back in 2009 and the situation resolved itself within a year. Iran has been found to be compliant with their Nuclear program. That things happened independent of Trump.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Dikitain posted...

It is not just terror attacks though, it is stuff all over the world. Things like Israel invading the Gaza strip, Madagascar civil war, Iran and their Nuclear program. Notice how things like that aren't really happening.

Many of those things are still happening. Power was recently cut to the Gaza strip, with thousands of soldiers ready to invade. Madagascar was on the brink of civil war back in 2009 and the situation resolved itself within a year. Iran has been found to be compliant with their Nuclear program. That things happened independent of Trump.

My point is there isn't a lot of new things happening, at least not ones where the US might get involved militarily. All of those things I mentioned happened in the first 6 months of Obama's presidency and were done to test him. Nothing like that has happened with Trump.
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Lol giving Trump credit.

Zeus posted...

To be fair, he's not entirely wrong to the extent that if you basically wipe out an entire country there wouldn't be anything to draw from.

Except he absolutely is, especially where the number of people worldwide willing to join the "we need to stop the West at any cost" bandwagon is going to jump astronomically if the West starts considering large-scale genocide to be an acceptable course of action in response to anything. And that number is going to start including people who have no interest in Islam whatsoever. If you're going to try and prevent a group from recruiting by wiping out a region, that region will have to be the entire planet, at which point you've erased any good your efforts could possibly have done.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

ISIS will kill a few every now and then until they're wiped out, if we keep p****footing about then that will last indefinitely, this means that they will kill more than we ever could with an aggressive bombing campaign, assuming the body count isn't that high already.

If ISIS ever makes it up to a thousand kills a year, I'll be very surprised. Carpet bombing an entire country stands to kill thousands per hour, if not far more. I get that you're scared and all, but don't be so stupid as to think you're actually presenting realistic ideas here. Calm down.
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In my opinion when these terrorists hurt and kill people, it is bad.

We should do the things to make them quit it.
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Enough is enough.

streamofthesky posted...

Trump has fuck all to do with it. It's really just the sheer geographic separation. Europe gets way more islamic terror attacks than the U.S. does, both currently and 10 years ago or however far back you want to go.

I'm not saying Trump has anything to do with it, but if there are far less attacks in the US than Europe than the implication is that it comes from refugees/immigrants.

However, a number of attacks have come from the countries actual citizens. If that's the case, why haven't we seen any cases of radicalized citizens in the U.S. doing anything for ~8 months?
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Smarkil posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Trump has fuck all to do with it. It's really just the sheer geographic separation. Europe gets way more islamic terror attacks than the U.S. does, both currently and 10 years ago or however far back you want to go.

I'm not saying Trump has anything to do with it, but if there are far less attacks in the US than Europe than the implication is that it comes from refugees/immigrants.

However, a number of attacks have come from the countries actual citizens. If that's the case, why haven't we seen any cases of radicalized citizens in the U.S. doing anything for ~8 months?

The Muslim population is a MUCH smaller % in the U.S. than Europe. Again, largely due to geography, it's not a new phenomenon in the last few years due to refugees streaming in. France in particular has had issues with its sizeable Muslim minority for at least a decade (basically, their Muslim community includes a lot of young adults with few job prospects)