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whitewimmin
05/25/17 7:14:15 AM
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http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488
The British government operated an "open door" policy that allowed Libyan exiles and British-Libyan citizens to join the 2011 uprising that toppled Muammar Gaddafi even though some had been subject to counter-terrorism control orders, Middle East Eye can reveal.

Several former rebel fighters now back in the UK told MEE that they had been able to travel to Libya with "no questions asked" as authorities continued to investigate the background of a British-Libyan suicide bomber who killed 22 people in Monday's attack in Manchester.

Home Secretary Amber Rudd has said that Abedi was known to security services, while a local community worker told the BBC that several people had reported him to the police via an anti-terrorism hotline.

Sources spoken to by MEE suggest that the government facilitated the travel of Libyan exiles and British-Libyan residents and citizens keen to fight against Gaddafi including some who it deemed to pose a potential security threat.

One British citizen with a Libyan background who was placed on a control order – effectively house arrest – because of fears that he would join militant groups in Iraq said he was "shocked" that he was able to travel to Libya to fight in 2011 shortly after his control order was lifted.

"I was allowed to go, no questions asked," said the source, who wished to remain anonymous.

He said he had met several other British-Libyans from east London who also had control orders lifted in 2011 as the war against Gaddafi intensified, with the UK, France and the US carrying out air strikes and deploying special forces soldiers in support of the rebels.

"They didn't have passports, they were looking for fakes or a way to smuggle themselves across," said the source.

But within days of their control orders being lifted, British authorities returned their passports, he said.

"These were old school LIFG guys, they [the British authorities] knew what they were doing," he said, referring to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an anti-Gaddafi Islamist militant group formed in 1990 by Libyan veterans of the fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan which was considered a terrorist organisation with links to al-Qaeda by the UK government.

Belal Younis, another British citizen who went to Libya, described how he was stopped under 'Schedule 7' counter-terrorism powers on his return to the UK after a visit to the country in early 2011. Schedule 7 allows police and immigration officials to detain and question any person passing through border controls at ports and airports to determine whether they are involved in terrorism.

He said he was subsequently questioned by an intelligence officer from MI5, the UK's domestic security agency, "Are you willing to go into battle?"

"While I took time to find an answer he turned and told me the British government have no problem with people fighting against Gaddafi," he told MEE.

As he was travelling back to Libya in May he was approached by two counter-terrorism police officers in the departure lounge who told him that if he was going to fight he would be committing a crime.

But after providing them with the name and phone number of the MI5 officer he had spoken to previously, and following a quick phone call to him, he was waved through.

As he waited to board the plane, he said MI5 had called him to tell him that he had "sorted it out".

"The government didn't put any obstacles in the way of people going to Libya," he told MEE.

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whitewimmin
05/25/17 8:30:41 AM
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Antifar
05/25/17 9:11:51 AM
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/manchester-bomb-security-services-repeatedly-missed-opportunities-to-stop-killer-salman-abedi/ar-BBBwfDw
Security services were told repeatedly about the threat posed by the Manchester suicide bomber but failed to act, according to reports.

Terrorist Salman Abedi’s friends called the Government’s anti-terrorism hotline after he told them that “being a suicide bomber was okay”, the Telegraph reported.

Abedi killed 22 people and left dozens seriously injured after detonating an improvised explosive device after an Ariana Grande concert at the Manchester Arena on Monday.

And counter terrorism agencies are facing questions after sources suggested that, over the last five years, Abedi was flagged to the authorities on at least five separate occasions over his extremist views.

Speaking to the Telegraph, Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, revealed Abedi was reported to authorities two years ago because of fears "he was involved in extremism and terrorism”.

He said: “People in the community expressed concerns about the way this man was behaving and reported it in the right way using the right channels.

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fan357
05/25/17 9:13:33 AM
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We have this problem in America. Why doesn't the government act when they have so many red flags?
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Funkydog
05/25/17 9:17:48 AM
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fan357 posted...
We have this problem in America. Why doesn't the government act when they have so many red flags?

From what I remember hearing about it on the radio, they are often limited in what they can legally do, or simply lack resources to fully watch over everyone properly.

Or just slips through the cracks >.>
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Antifar
05/25/17 9:20:39 AM
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Funkydog posted...
lack resources to fully watch over everyone properly.

I'm gonna push back on this: the UK security state watches over everyone, which is the problem. Mass surveillance just means more hay in which to find a needle.

But this isn't merely a detection issue: this is an issue where they were abetting and encouraging people like this bomber because they thought they'd do their damage in Libya.
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PrinceDBF
05/25/17 9:27:27 AM
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you can't stop the terrorists by checking every leaf, you have to take on the root.
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SGT_Conti
05/25/17 9:34:30 AM
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So this is a case of the west aiding people to overthrow a regime and it biting them in the ass later?
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Antifar
05/25/17 9:35:06 AM
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SGT_Conti posted...
So this is a case of the west aiding people to overthrow a regime and it biting them in the ass later?

I know that sounds unprecedented, but there's certainly an element of that here, yes.
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PrinceDBF
05/25/17 9:35:53 AM
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the fbi knew oswald was a threat before 11/22/63 as well.
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Funkydog
05/25/17 9:40:40 AM
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Antifar posted...
Funkydog posted...
lack resources to fully watch over everyone properly.

I'm gonna push back on this: the UK security state watches over everyone, which is the problem. Mass surveillance just means more hay in which to find a needle.

But this isn't merely a detection issue: this is an issue where they were abetting and encouraging people like this bomber because they thought they'd do their damage in Libya.

Well, yes. That too (both bits) and they want even more ability to watch us as well.
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