Poll of the Day > First he goes for their healthcare and now he's taking their Food Stamps.

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RebelGameMaster
05/22/17 6:18:45 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/22/politics/trump-food-stamp-snap-impact-trnd/index.html

What a great time to be a Trump supporter.

Are you guys tired of winning yet?
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DirtBasedSoap
05/22/17 6:22:43 PM
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drain the swamp!!!! those were just the lazy entitled losers who don't want to pull themselves by their bootstraps and work for a living!!! #moochers #MAGA


fuck the poor!!!
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cloelea
05/22/17 6:30:27 PM
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the only non fake news article from cnn yay
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RebelGameMaster
05/25/17 4:16:13 PM
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I feel for those folks.
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Zeus
05/25/17 4:23:18 PM
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Let's be fair: If you were on government-provided healthcare and food stamps, you would have been voting for Hillary because she pledged to buy your votes with expansions to both entitlements at the expense of the rest of the country. (And you would have voted for Hillary reluctantly because Bernie -- who promised even more free* stuff -- didn't get the nomination.)

In general, the problem with government entitlements is that people object strongly to them going in any direction except up and it gets more unsustainable the further those government entitlements grow.

(*Free to you, at the cost of the taxpayer.)
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Jen0125
05/25/17 4:24:15 PM
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Zeus posted...
you would have been voting for Hillary because she pledged to buy your votes with expansions to both entitlements at the expense of the rest of the country.


except lots of poor people on welfare/food stamps come from rural southern areas and are republicans

that voted for trump

and are expressing regret
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Zeus
05/25/17 4:28:23 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Zeus posted...
you would have been voting for Hillary because she pledged to buy your votes with expansions to both entitlements at the expense of the rest of the country.


except lots of poor people on welfare/food stamps come from rural southern areas and are republicans

that voted for trump

and are expressing regret


except that poor people on benefits from sourthern rural areas are more likely to vote for the person offering them bigger benefits

so they voted for hillary

and are regretting hillary not getting in

The fact that Southern rural areas are Republican on the whole doesn't mean that welfare recipients don't recognize who butters their bread and vote accordingly. Granted, there are some who could feel guilty about taking so much from our country and voted to reduce the amount that we're spending on them.
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Mead
05/25/17 4:41:10 PM
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I'm actually far more concerned about all the money he is cutting from medical research programs. We are on the cusp of understanding how to better manage and prevent things like cancer, stroke, and alzheimers disease. These cuts jeopardize countless programs that depend on government support.
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Jen0125
05/25/17 4:45:58 PM
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Zeus posted...
Granted, there are some who could feel guilty about taking so much from our country and voted to reduce the amount that we're spending on them.




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Lokarin
05/25/17 4:47:51 PM
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Mathematically, increasing the minimum wage actually saves money because of the reduction of tax burden
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JixHedgehog
05/25/17 4:55:52 PM
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They will have to work just like those who are essentially supporting them to do nothing

I cant tell you how many times I've been at a check out line in a super market behind a woman with 5+ kids who are running around while she pays for her cart full of frozen food with stamps

Bottom line, if you make poor decisions in life, dont expect handouts
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Jen0125
05/25/17 4:57:07 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
They will have to work just like those who are essentially supporting them to do nothing

I cant tell you how many times I've been at a check out line in a super market behind a woman with 5+ kids who are running around while she pays for her cart full of frozen food with stamps

Bottom line, if you make poor decisions in life, dont expect handouts


okay but you understand you're forcing the children to suffer, right? those kids didn't make poor decisions. their parents did. so you want them to starve because their parents make poor choices?
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TheCyborgNinja
05/25/17 4:59:03 PM
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In the long run, all of these changes may be good though. How? Once enough people have nothing to lose they'll initiate a violent rebellion to take down the government. That'll either end with a do-over, as is clearly needed, or an even stronger authoritarian state... Maybe kind of scary.
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Zeus
05/25/17 5:02:11 PM
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Mead posted...
I'm actually far more concerned about all the money he is cutting from medical research programs. We are on the cusp of understanding how to better manage and prevent things like cancer, stroke, and alzheimers disease. These cuts jeopardize countless programs that depend on government support.


That is a somewhat larger concern although, technically speaking, most major countries in the world are also funding those programs and, even with the reduction in our spending, they're still receiving a lot of money.

Jen0125 posted...
Zeus posted...
Granted, there are some who could feel guilty about taking so much from our country and voted to reduce the amount that we're spending on them.


"i'm not republican, i'm a liberal." - zeus 2016


No, I said I was a Democrat. There's a difference. Ideologically, I'm a left-leaning centrist with a strong libertarian streak.

Jen0125 posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
They will have to work just like those who are essentially supporting them to do nothing

I cant tell you how many times I've been at a check out line in a super market behind a woman with 5+ kids who are running around while she pays for her cart full of frozen food with stamps

Bottom line, if you make poor decisions in life, dont expect handouts


okay but you understand you're forcing the children to suffer, right? those kids didn't make poor decisions. their parents did. so you want them to starve because their parents make poor choices?


Leaving the children with irresponsible parents is also causing them to suffer. Are you proposing fixing that problem as well?
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TigerTycoon
05/25/17 5:12:22 PM
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The U.S. already makes more revenue through tax than almost every country, if not the most.

More money is spent in welfare and social security than anything else (over half of the U.S.'s spending), the military being after those.

The U.S. spends more on their military than the next 10 countries combined.

It has a massive over spending problem.

Being indefinitely in debt and using muscle to justify it is not okay.

RebelGameMaster posted...
What a great time to be a Trump supporter.

Are you guys tired of winning yet?

Most people didn't vote for Trump because they agree with his ideals, they did it to give the middle finger to the establishment which clearly wanted Hillary to win.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/25/17 5:15:05 PM
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"Leaving the children with irresponsible parents is also causing them to suffer."

I wholeheartedly agree with this point. I've known a lot of foster kids, and my in-laws are foster parents. I have heard some bad stuff, and the earlier some kids get taken away, the better. In many cases, they should never be allowed to go back, either.
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TES_Nut
05/25/17 5:17:18 PM
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Most people on food benefits are already working.

While we're at it, social security and Medicare are funded by taxes specifically for those programs, cutting benefits doesn't do shit to cut the deficit or the debt.

It's just an excuse for the uber rich to get richer and people like zeus let them get away with it.

People like Erik also let them get away with it by being so insufferable that no one wants to listen.
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Jen0125
05/25/17 5:17:19 PM
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Zeus posted...
Leaving the children with irresponsible parents is also causing them to suffer. Are you proposing fixing that problem as well?


so you'd rather have them starve, then forcibly remove them from their parents because they're starving and pay more taxes to put them into the foster care system? that's the only to way "fix that problem."

then you'll need MORE foster parents and that's MORE taxes than it would have been to just give them money for the fucking food in the first place.

or we could give more tax money to sex education and funding for contraceptives for low income individuals but sex is icky and immoral so we don't want to pay anything for that.
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DorkLink
05/25/17 5:18:45 PM
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Zeus posted...
I'm a left-leaning centrist


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Muffinz0rz
05/25/17 5:21:05 PM
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cloelea posted...
the only non fake news article from cnn yay

You're why Trump got elected
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TheCyborgNinja
05/25/17 5:23:21 PM
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TES_Nut posted...
Most people on food benefits are already working.

While we're at it, social security and Medicare are funded by taxes specifically for those programs, cutting benefits doesn't do shit to cut the deficit or the debt.

It's just an excuse for the uber rich to get richer and people like zeus let them get away with it.

People like Erik also let them get away with it by being so insufferable that no one wants to listen.

90% of the far-left's problem.
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Veedrock-
05/25/17 8:14:17 PM
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Food stamps are not the only source of food for struggling families. Children can get subsidized lunches at school and the program extends into summer in a lot of areas (can't find a coverage map admittedly). Food banks and other charitable operations are an option among other things. No they're not going to get a plethora of junk food and candy or those $40 steaks they would splurge stamps on, but they're not going hungry either.

Food stamps enable irresponsibility. The money saved on food isn't always going to other necessities or savings, it's going to indulgences like cigarettes, booze, and lottery tickets. If people lost their subsidies, they'd have to choose because food and indulgence. It's interesting that liberals are all pro-choice in regards to everything but when somebody makes a wrong choice, they're a victim and need bailed out by taxpayers.

Another issue is that stamps aren't always stretched out to last a month either. Families tend to splurge after they get the deposit, especially on junk or luxury items, then they struggle for the rest of the month. If they're going hungry during the last week of the month, is the system really working? I don't think so, but it's a situation that can be ignored because "we tried."

Having SNAP be federally funded but run by the states is a broken system. It's not state money so they don't really care, they just give it out. The state needs to be harsher in screening candidates and monitoring them after the fact, rather than simply checking a few boxes for validity. If SNAP gets removed, the ideal response would be for the state or even local governments to step in to replace it, so they're responsible for the costs and as such try to manage those costs effectively.

You know who really stands to lose from the removal of food stamps? Big food corporations that market their garbage to low income families so funds funnel their way, and the big vice companies that benefit from low income families saving money on food to spend on their bullshit, since they're actually far more likely to buy things like cigarettes and lottery tickets.
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Zeus
05/27/17 4:26:04 PM
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TES_Nut posted...
Most people on food benefits are already working.

While we're at it, social security and Medicare are funded by taxes specifically for those programs, cutting benefits doesn't do shit to cut the deficit or the debt.

It's just an excuse for the uber rich to get richer and people like zeus let them get away with it.

People like Erik also let them get away with it by being so insufferable that no one wants to listen.


I know that it's hard for you to read, but this is specifically going after able-bodied people who don't work. And, because you don't seem to know this (and I'm not sure how), but food stamps aren't part of medicare or social security. And I'm not sure why you thought they were.

And despite all of your ignorant class warfare claims, it's not a matter of the millionaires and billionaires, it's the fact that the money comes out of MY pocket as well. I'm stuck working extra to support people who CHOOSE not to work at all.

Jen0125 posted...
Zeus posted...
Leaving the children with irresponsible parents is also causing them to suffer. Are you proposing fixing that problem as well?


so you'd rather have them starve, then forcibly remove them from their parents because they're starving and pay more taxes to put them into the foster care system? that's the only to way "fix that problem."

then you'll need MORE foster parents and that's MORE taxes than it would have been to just give them money for the fucking food in the first place.

or we could give more tax money to sex education and funding for contraceptives for low income individuals but sex is icky and immoral so we don't want to pay anything for that.


We need an overhauled foster system but, in general, getting them away from their parents ensures that they don't become the next generation of welfare recipients. If you're raised by people gaming the system, that's what becomes normal to you and you're effectively raised to game teh system. I'd rather spend more fixing one generation to avoid having far more like them next generation.

More importantly, MOST OF THAT MONEY NEVER MAKES IT TO THE KIDS! The parents who have kids for welfare benefits tend to use most of the kids' benefits for their own uses so, in many cases, the only guaranteed meals that kids get are at school.

Veedrock- posted...
Food stamps are not the only source of food for struggling families. Children can get subsidized lunches at school and the program extends into summer in a lot of areas (can't find a coverage map admittedly). Food banks and other charitable operations are an option among other things. No they're not going to get a plethora of junk food and candy or those $40 steaks they would splurge stamps on, but they're not going hungry either.


Which honestly has never made any sense since SNAP should cover free lunches but instead the kids are getting free lunches and the parents are getting free money. Then again, the only time you're guaranteed to see food actually reach the kid is with school lunches.
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