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Sephiroth1288
05/08/17 3:09:55 PM
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I get that Israel does pretty bad things, but to compare their transgressions to a brutal theocratic state like Palestine, Israel may as well be Switzerland. And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

It's just really bizarre seeing people who call themselves social progressives being in support of a Nation that executes gay people and female adulterers. Why is there such a large camp within the progressive movement so want them to have power?
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chill02
05/08/17 3:10:43 PM
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I'm a pro "let them sort out that mess themselves because they're all monsters now"
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Smashingpmkns
05/08/17 3:11:19 PM
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Thought this said pro Palpatine
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QuantumScript
05/08/17 3:12:02 PM
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Is palestine even a real state?
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Duncanwii
05/08/17 3:12:09 PM
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I say put a giant dome over Israel and Palestine and let them fight it out into a giant deathmatch and hope Israel doesn't cheat and use Nuclear Weapons.
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Paper_Okami
05/08/17 3:12:35 PM
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chill02 posted...
I'm a pro "let them sort out that mess themselves because they're all monsters now"


This, I used to be pro-Palestine, but now i'm more this.
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Hinakuluiau
05/08/17 3:13:37 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

The 2 State solution will never work.

What we need is a 4 State solution.


- East Palestine = The West Bank

- West Palestine = Gaza Strip

- Israel will have to respect the Green Line

- Jeruselum will have to become a independent City State like Vatican City / Singapore

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Egypt selling off the Sinai Peninsula to Israel

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Syria selling off the Golan Heights to Israel

- Make sales conditional upon Israel never occupying territory within West / East Palestine, other nations, or anything out of their territory ever

- Then for West Palestine (Gaza Strip) to get proper relief, the citizenry over there must vote out Hamas from power and put in a political force that isn't a terrorist organization, including not allowing ANY former Hamas member into power.
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treewojima
05/08/17 3:15:11 PM
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we should just raze all the religious structures in that area, that way people won't be fighting over squatting rights
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QuantumScript
05/08/17 3:15:22 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

The 2 State solution will never work.

What we need is a 4 State solution.


- East Palestine = The West Bank

- West Palestine = Gaza Strip

- Israel will have to respect the Green Line

- Jeruselum will have to become a independent City State like Vatican City / Singapore

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Egypt selling off the Sinai Peninsula to Israel

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Syria selling off the Golan Heights to Israel

- Make sales conditional upon Israel never occupying territory within West / East Palestine, other nations, or anything out of their territory ever

- Then for West Palestine (Gaza Strip) to get proper relief, the citizenry over there must vote out Hamas from power and put in a political force that isn't a terrorist organization, including not allowing ANY former Hamas member into power.


or palestine and islam can cease as concepts and the area will become much more peaceful and secular like it should be.
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Sephiroth1288
05/08/17 3:17:23 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Thought this said pro Palpatine

Hey, say what you want about that the guy, but he keeps the galaxy in order!
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ChromaticAngel
05/08/17 3:17:34 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

The 2 State solution will never work.

What we need is a 4 State solution.


- East Palestine = The West Bank

- West Palestine = Gaza Strip

- Israel will have to respect the Green Line

- Jeruselum will have to become a independent City State like Vatican City / Singapore

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Egypt selling off the Sinai Peninsula to Israel

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Syria selling off the Golan Heights to Israel

- Make sales conditional upon Israel never occupying territory within West / East Palestine, other nations, or anything out of their territory ever

- Then for West Palestine (Gaza Strip) to get proper relief, the citizenry over there must vote out Hamas from power and put in a political force that isn't a terrorist organization, including not allowing ANY former Hamas member into power.

Please stop with this nonsense solutions that require cooperation from the Palestinians. They will not accept any solution in which Israel is allowed to continue existing. They will not cooperate with it. I get that you like hippy loving kiss and make up politics but it won't fucking work in the real world.
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Sephiroth1288
05/08/17 3:20:10 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

The 2 State solution will never work.

What we need is a 4 State solution.


- East Palestine = The West Bank

- West Palestine = Gaza Strip

- Israel will have to respect the Green Line

- Jeruselum will have to become a independent City State like Vatican City / Singapore

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Egypt selling off the Sinai Peninsula to Israel

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Syria selling off the Golan Heights to Israel

- Make sales conditional upon Israel never occupying territory within West / East Palestine, other nations, or anything out of their territory ever

- Then for West Palestine (Gaza Strip) to get proper relief, the citizenry over there must vote out Hamas from power and put in a political force that isn't a terrorist organization, including not allowing ANY former Hamas member into power.

This is a well thought-out solution that absolutely nobody on either side would be happy with.
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teepan95
05/08/17 3:24:08 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Hinakuluiau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

The 2 State solution will never work.

What we need is a 4 State solution.


- East Palestine = The West Bank

- West Palestine = Gaza Strip

- Israel will have to respect the Green Line

- Jeruselum will have to become a independent City State like Vatican City / Singapore

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Egypt selling off the Sinai Peninsula to Israel

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Syria selling off the Golan Heights to Israel

- Make sales conditional upon Israel never occupying territory within West / East Palestine, other nations, or anything out of their territory ever

- Then for West Palestine (Gaza Strip) to get proper relief, the citizenry over there must vote out Hamas from power and put in a political force that isn't a terrorist organization, including not allowing ANY former Hamas member into power.

Please stop with this nonsense solutions that require cooperation from the Palestinians. They will not accept any solution in which Israel is allowed to continue existing. They will not cooperate with it. I get that you like hippy loving kiss and make up politics but it won't fucking work in the real world.

Hamas have removed the 'destruction of Israel' from their stated goals and are pretty much wanting to work towards a two state solution.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/hamas-palestinian-rebranding-compromise-israel-gaza-strip-terrorist-organisation-mahmoud-abbas-a7713976.html

It's a small step, but it's in the right direction imo
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Hinakuluiau
05/08/17 3:25:48 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Please stop with this nonsense solutions that require cooperation from the Palestinians. They will not accept any solution in which Israel is allowed to continue existing. They will not cooperate with it. I get that you like hippy loving kiss and make up politics but it won't fucking work in the real world.

That would be because they are fed a lot of propaganda. If we can fix that issue, then we can fix the larger issue.

As mentioned, they have also changed their stated goals.
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QuantumScript
05/08/17 3:25:56 PM
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teepan95 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Hinakuluiau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

The 2 State solution will never work.

What we need is a 4 State solution.


- East Palestine = The West Bank

- West Palestine = Gaza Strip

- Israel will have to respect the Green Line

- Jeruselum will have to become a independent City State like Vatican City / Singapore

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Egypt selling off the Sinai Peninsula to Israel

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Syria selling off the Golan Heights to Israel

- Make sales conditional upon Israel never occupying territory within West / East Palestine, other nations, or anything out of their territory ever

- Then for West Palestine (Gaza Strip) to get proper relief, the citizenry over there must vote out Hamas from power and put in a political force that isn't a terrorist organization, including not allowing ANY former Hamas member into power.

Please stop with this nonsense solutions that require cooperation from the Palestinians. They will not accept any solution in which Israel is allowed to continue existing. They will not cooperate with it. I get that you like hippy loving kiss and make up politics but it won't fucking work in the real world.

Hamas have removed the 'destruction of Israel' from their stated goals and are pretty much wanting to work towards a two state solution.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/hamas-palestinian-rebranding-compromise-israel-gaza-strip-terrorist-organisation-mahmoud-abbas-a7713976.html

It's a small step, but it's in the right direction imo


fuck hamas and fuck what hamas wants. a terrorist organizatiin "removing" Israel's destruction from their lost of goals doesnt appease me one iota
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KarmaMuffin
05/08/17 3:26:05 PM
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Israel is essentially a snobby rich guy who realized he owned a block in "the hood". Then, he kicks everyone out, builds a luxury mansion, constantly complains and pitches a fit when a grocery store or gas station wants to open in the area, has enough influence to get the cops show up and overreact every time some kids play in his back yard, all the while collecting welfare because he lives in a "blighted" area.

The real issue is Zionists not Israelis. It’s really the Zionists causing the problems on the Israel side, but they're the ones in power.
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CableZL
05/08/17 3:27:58 PM
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I'm not for either side. A religious war going on for hundreds of years is dumb AF.
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ChromaticAngel
05/08/17 3:29:40 PM
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teepan95 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Hinakuluiau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
And since the only two realistic options as far as the land goes are to either let Israel keep it or give it to a brutal Islamic regime, the choice SHOULD be obvious.

The 2 State solution will never work.

What we need is a 4 State solution.


- East Palestine = The West Bank

- West Palestine = Gaza Strip

- Israel will have to respect the Green Line

- Jeruselum will have to become a independent City State like Vatican City / Singapore

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Egypt selling off the Sinai Peninsula to Israel

- Help with a large Real Estate sale of Syria selling off the Golan Heights to Israel

- Make sales conditional upon Israel never occupying territory within West / East Palestine, other nations, or anything out of their territory ever

- Then for West Palestine (Gaza Strip) to get proper relief, the citizenry over there must vote out Hamas from power and put in a political force that isn't a terrorist organization, including not allowing ANY former Hamas member into power.

Please stop with this nonsense solutions that require cooperation from the Palestinians. They will not accept any solution in which Israel is allowed to continue existing. They will not cooperate with it. I get that you like hippy loving kiss and make up politics but it won't fucking work in the real world.

Hamas have removed the 'destruction of Israel' from their stated goals and are pretty much wanting to work towards a two state solution.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/hamas-palestinian-rebranding-compromise-israel-gaza-strip-terrorist-organisation-mahmoud-abbas-a7713976.html

It's a small step, but it's in the right direction imo


Yeah this is like saying the KKK is chill now because they no longer have "restore slavery" as a goal.
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Zikten
05/08/17 3:30:24 PM
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I'm against both sides. we need to wipe clean the 2 governments and start fresh
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Doom_Art
05/08/17 3:33:34 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
I get that Israel does pretty bad things

How true, thank you.

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ManSpread
05/08/17 3:36:02 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm against both sides

lol

no you arent
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chill02
05/08/17 3:36:21 PM
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just irradiate Jerusalem and see who still wants it
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Zikten
05/08/17 3:36:54 PM
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ManSpread posted...
lol

no you arent

oh? your psychic and can see my deepest thoughts that even I am not aware of? that's pretty cool, I guess
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ZombiePelican
05/08/17 3:38:12 PM
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Of couse I am. Once you hear first hand accounts of the atrocities committed by Israel you'd have to be crazy to support them or think of them as good people in any way
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Questionmarktarius
05/08/17 3:41:22 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
What we need is a 4 State solution.

The Zero-state solution seems best, for the long term:

Israel pretty much stays Israel.
Golan Heights becomes Syria again.
Gaza becomes Egypt.
West Bank becomes Jordan.
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DragonGirlYuki
05/08/17 3:42:44 PM
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Not pro Palestine. Have no sympathy if they tried to start something with a terrorist attack and then get beaten back 10x as hard.
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Zikten
05/08/17 3:43:42 PM
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DragonGirlYuki posted...
Not pro Palestine. Have no sympathy if they tried to start something with a terrorist attack and then get beaten back 10x as hard.

no sympathy for the civilians? blame the government, not the people. do you cheer when a 12 year old girl is walking to school and gets shot by an Israeli sniper?
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DragonGirlYuki
05/08/17 3:45:21 PM
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But what about the 12 year old Isreali girl killed by a suicide bomber?
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ChromaticAngel
05/08/17 3:46:12 PM
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Zikten posted...
DragonGirlYuki posted...
Not pro Palestine. Have no sympathy if they tried to start something with a terrorist attack and then get beaten back 10x as hard.

no sympathy for the civilians? blame the government, not the people. do you cheer when a 12 year old girl is walking to school and gets shot by an Israeli sniper?


Look. Everyone wants the fighting to just stop, but it's precisely because both countries want to be the last one to have killed a 12 year old girl that it never will stop. The only solution is to just pick a side, and it's obviously Israel.
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Zikten
05/08/17 3:48:00 PM
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DragonGirlYuki posted...
But what about the 12 year old Isreali girl killed by a suicide bomber?

that's bad but it's not the fault of the civilians of palestine.
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Maze_
05/08/17 3:49:06 PM
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I think very few people are "pro-palestine" they are just pro 2 or more state solutions.

Which the media treats as pro-palestine
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/08/17 3:57:31 PM
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I'm infamously pro-Israel. Fuck Palestine.
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Duncanwii
05/08/17 3:58:16 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Zikten posted...
DragonGirlYuki posted...
Not pro Palestine. Have no sympathy if they tried to start something with a terrorist attack and then get beaten back 10x as hard.

no sympathy for the civilians? blame the government, not the people. do you cheer when a 12 year old girl is walking to school and gets shot by an Israeli sniper?


Look. Everyone wants the fighting to just stop, but it's precisely because both countries want to be the last one to have killed a 12 year old girl that it never will stop. The only solution is to just pick a side, and it's obviously Israel.

"Obviously."
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/08/17 3:59:33 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
"Obviously."


Israel can but hasn't committed genocide against them.
Palestine would against them.

Yes, it's fucking obvious who to side with.
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Duncanwii
05/08/17 4:00:28 PM
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If anyone is to blame for this its the allied forces of WW2 and the Nazis. Who thought putting a massive amount of Jews into one of the most antisemitic area on the planet was a good idea? Just take the refugees into your own countries, it'd be safer in the long run.
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Duncanwii
05/08/17 4:01:43 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Duncanwii posted...
"Obviously."


Israel can but hasn't committed genocide against them.
Palestine would against them.

Yes, it's fucking obvious who to side with.

Israel would Nuke Palestine if it wouldn't make them the most hated nation on Earth. I trust them with Nukes as much as I do Iran or North Korea, and that's saying something.
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Questionmarktarius
05/08/17 4:01:53 PM
#38:


Duncanwii posted...
If anyone is to blame for this its the allied forces of WW2 and the Nazis. Who thought putting a massive amount of Jews into one of the most antisemitic area on the planet was a good idea? Just take the refugees into your own countries, it'd be safer in the long run.

The entire population of Israel could be evacuated to Wyoming, and everyone involved would probably be better off for it.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/08/17 4:02:03 PM
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Well time travel isn't a feasible solution.
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ChromaticAngel
05/08/17 5:03:45 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Duncanwii posted...
"Obviously."


Israel can but hasn't committed genocide against them.
Palestine would against them.

Yes, it's fucking obvious who to side with.

Israel would Nuke Palestine if it wouldn't make them the most hated nation on Earth. I trust them with Nukes as much as I do Iran or North Korea, and that's saying something.


Yes. It's saying that you have no real perspective on who the real threats are and which countries would have our back if we needed it.
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Sephiroth1288
05/09/17 1:32:37 PM
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bump
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Nowhereman24
05/09/17 1:37:30 PM
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Palestine is literally run by a terrorist organization so...
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darkphoenix181
05/09/17 1:43:28 PM
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maybe alot of pro-paltestine people are just anti-isreal and go pro-palestine to stick it to isreal
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Virus731
05/09/17 1:52:12 PM
#45:


I'm pro Palpatine.

The Empire did nothing wrong.
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Duncanwii
05/09/17 3:15:38 PM
#46:


ChromaticAngel posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Duncanwii posted...
"Obviously."


Israel can but hasn't committed genocide against them.
Palestine would against them.

Yes, it's fucking obvious who to side with.

Israel would Nuke Palestine if it wouldn't make them the most hated nation on Earth. I trust them with Nukes as much as I do Iran or North Korea, and that's saying something.


Yes. It's saying that you have no real perspective on who the real threats are and which countries would have our back if we needed it.

Look up the Samson Doctrine. Israel is itching to nuke somebody and just is waiting for an excuse.
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AzurexNightmare
05/09/17 3:16:01 PM
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I read this as pro palpatine
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garan
05/09/17 4:50:44 PM
#48:


QuantumScript posted...
fuck hamas and fuck what hamas wants. a terrorist organizatiin "removing" Israel's destruction from their lost of goals doesnt appease me one iota


Agreed. I am as anti Palestine as possible.
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Nightmare_Luna
05/09/17 4:54:02 PM
#49:


Virus731 posted...
I'm pro Palpatine.

The Empire did nothing wrong.

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