Current Events > Republicans want to let employers give time off instead of overtime pay

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Antifar
05/04/17 12:35:02 PM
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/02/news/economy/overtime-pay-bill-passes-house/
Do you get paid for overtime work? The House of Representatives just passed a bill you may want to know about.

The measure, backed by Republicans, would let employers give workers paid time off instead of time-and-a-half pay the next time they put in extra hours. The vote tally was largely along party lines, with no Democrats voting in favor of the bill. Six Republicans also voted against it.
G.O.P. leadership has touted the legislation, called the Working Families Flexibility Act, as an attempt to codify flexibility for employees.

"I don't think there's anything more powerful than giving them more control over their time so that they can make the best decisions for themselves and their families," Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington said Tuesday morning in a press conference held by Republican leaders in the House.

The Trump administration also came out in support of the measure on Tuesday. The White House said in a news release that the president's advisers would recommend Trump sign the bill into law if it was presented to him in its current form.

But Democrats stand in strong opposition. Their chief concern is that employers have the final say on when comp time can be used, which means bosses can defer compensating employees for overtime work.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts -- a Democrat who has made workers' protections her flagship cause and sits on the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions -- called the bill a "disgrace" on Twitter.

Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, who is the top Democrat on the Senate HELP committee, said the bill doesn't put workers first.

"This is nothing but a recycled bad bill that would allow big corporations to make an end-run around giving workers the pay they've earned," Murray said in a statement.

Congressional Republicans have pitched similar measures a number of times over the past two decades but have been unable to get the rule on the books. An analogous bill passed the House in 2013 but died in the Senate.

Republicans, who hold 52 seats in the upper chamber, will need eight Democrats to vote in favor of the legislation to avoid a filibuster.

The House bill is sponsored by Rep. Martha Roby of Alabama. Sen. Mike Lee of Utah has introduced a similar bill in the Senate, but it's still in committee.

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Gojak_v3
05/04/17 12:36:39 PM
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This was discussed yesterday. The article is wrong (aka fake news) and this is a good thing they did.
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CruelBuffalo
05/04/17 12:38:48 PM
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This has been talked about in other topics.

Why exactly do businesses want this? Some people are afraid to take PTO and some businesses only give you PTO when it's inconvenient, is this why? What happens when a business goes out of business with outstanding PTO? Do the workers get nothing?
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tremain07
05/04/17 12:45:43 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Why exactly do businesses want this?

It means they don't have to pay their employees overtimes pay, and by offering paid time off they also don't have to give the employee the ability to use that paid time off whenever they want, they could even have time limits on that paid time off so the employee won't have much time to use it. That way it's "fair" while being not fair and saving the business money, It's amazing change for businesses and especially corporations, they could gain millions from this.
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Balrog0
05/04/17 12:46:15 PM
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That's how they do it at the university I worked at
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Bloodychess
05/04/17 12:48:03 PM
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75307158

Go here if you want accurate details as to what this bill means.

CNN is garbage
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SK8T3R215
05/04/17 12:50:38 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
What happens when a business goes out of business with outstanding PTO? Do the workers get nothing?


No you get compensated for unused PTO.
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Samurontai
05/04/17 12:53:40 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75307158

Go here if you want accurate details as to what this bill means.

CNN is garbage


Ironic coming from a conservative lol
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Bloodychess
05/04/17 1:19:46 PM
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Samurontai posted...
Bloodychess posted...
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75307158

Go here if you want accurate details as to what this bill means.

CNN is garbage


Ironic coming from a conservative lol


Voted 3rd Party in the Presidential election and for a Democrat in the congressional election last year. Despite whatever posting tendencies you notice, I can dish it out to both sides.

@Samurontai are you usually wrong with your labels?
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SwatterXX
05/04/17 1:38:29 PM
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In a related note on Overtime pay...weren't salaried employees supposed to be getting overtime pay if you got paid below a certain amount??? I know it was put on hold because government gonna government, but wondering if anything will come of that.
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Antifar
05/04/17 3:27:15 PM
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SwatterXX posted...
In a related note on Overtime pay...weren't salaried employees supposed to be getting overtime pay if you got paid below a certain amount??? I know it was put on hold because government gonna government, but wondering if anything will come of that.

Oh, that got axed
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SwatterXX
05/04/17 4:17:35 PM
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Antifar posted...
SwatterXX posted...
In a related note on Overtime pay...weren't salaried employees supposed to be getting overtime pay if you got paid below a certain amount??? I know it was put on hold because government gonna government, but wondering if anything will come of that.

Oh, that got axed


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lilORANG
05/04/17 4:19:39 PM
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These seems potentially abusable, and certainly inconvenient to some workers, but it's not as downright evil as a lot of the stuff Republicans have been trying to do. If it works out for the best, woo whoo, if not, we know who to blame.
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Samurontai
05/05/17 8:05:18 AM
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Bloodychess posted...
Samurontai posted...
Bloodychess posted...
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75307158

Go here if you want accurate details as to what this bill means.

CNN is garbage


Ironic coming from a conservative lol


Voted 3rd Party in the Presidential election and for a Democrat in the congressional election last year. Despite whatever posting tendencies you notice, I can dish it out to both sides.

@Samurontai are you usually wrong with your labels?


You can be a conservative while doing eithe rof those things, and judging by your shitty posting history that tends to almost always leave a heavy bias that leans towards the conservative side, I'm confident when I say that you're bullshitting right now and are just as conservative as I originally thought you were

And nope @Bloodychess, I'm usually eighth about my labels, just as I am this time as well <:^)

Also, if you tag me one more time I'll mark your shit posting self for harassment
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Darkman124
05/05/17 8:08:18 AM
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Antifar posted...
SwatterXX posted...
In a related note on Overtime pay...weren't salaried employees supposed to be getting overtime pay if you got paid below a certain amount??? I know it was put on hold because government gonna government, but wondering if anything will come of that.

Oh, that got axed


specifically, it was blocked by a federal judge, not overturned by the GOP congress

i think it is good to actually post a link to the bill full text since it's so simple. CNN coverage on it has not been very good--it leaves out important details like the bill being opt-in, 100% OT = 150% PTO as the rule, and requiring employers to be willing to exchange PTO for the employee's hourly wage within 30 days of a written request

normally i am all about the GOP getting fucked in the ass when they try to do things but i actually think this bill was decent
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Bloodychess
05/05/17 9:38:02 AM
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Samurontai posted...
Bloodychess posted...
Samurontai posted...
Bloodychess posted...
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75307158

Go here if you want accurate details as to what this bill means.

CNN is garbage


Ironic coming from a conservative lol


Voted 3rd Party in the Presidential election and for a Democrat in the congressional election last year. Despite whatever posting tendencies you notice, I can dish it out to both sides.

@Samurontai are you usually wrong with your labels?


You can be a conservative while doing eithe rof those things, and judging by your shitty posting history that tends to almost always leave a heavy bias that leans towards the conservative side, I'm confident when I say that you're bullshitting right now and are just as conservative as I originally thought you were

And nope @Bloodychess, I'm usually eighth about my labels, just as I am this time as well <:^)

Also, if you tag me one more time I'll mark your shit posting self for harassment


( @Samurontai The reason reason I even bother to tag you is because you strike me as an alt, so Lord knows when you'll actually sign in next time.)

I can confidently say I'm not and you're clearly being an aggressor here, if you want to hide behind the mods then you're just furthering my point about being wrong. Moderation or no moderation, you're wrong. You getting angry about my denial doesn't help anything, the mods won't change you being wrong either.
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Samurontai
05/05/17 12:30:07 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
Samurontai posted...
Bloodychess posted...
Samurontai posted...
Bloodychess posted...
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75307158

Go here if you want accurate details as to what this bill means.

CNN is garbage


Ironic coming from a conservative lol


Voted 3rd Party in the Presidential election and for a Democrat in the congressional election last year. Despite whatever posting tendencies you notice, I can dish it out to both sides.

@Samurontai are you usually wrong with your labels?


You can be a conservative while doing eithe rof those things, and judging by your shitty posting history that tends to almost always leave a heavy bias that leans towards the conservative side, I'm confident when I say that you're bullshitting right now and are just as conservative as I originally thought you were

And nope @Bloodychess, I'm usually eighth about my labels, just as I am this time as well <:^)

Also, if you tag me one more time I'll mark your shit posting self for harassment


( @Samurontai The reason reason I even bother to tag you is because you strike me as an alt, so Lord knows when you'll actually sign in next time.)

I can confidently say I'm not and you're clearly being an aggressor here, if you want to hide behind the mods then you're just furthering my point about being wrong. Moderation or no moderation, you're wrong. You getting angry about my denial doesn't help anything, the mods won't change you being wrong either.


No the reason why you bother to tag me is because you have some weird ass attachment issues and are in apparent need of my attention

Do you want me to recommend you to a specialist? I know people that could help you buddy. It'll be fine

And nope, not an alt
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ProfDE
05/05/17 4:00:06 PM
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I'd rather not get the time off since I don't really get to decide when I really want the time off. As it is, I never end up using all my PTO for the year. I'm already sitting at over 100 hours of PTO.
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Bloodychess
05/06/17 12:06:39 AM
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Samurontai posted...
not an alt

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P4wn4g3
05/07/17 2:49:17 AM
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I'm apt to agree with Darkman on this. Of course I have no doubt the GOP will find a way to fuck it up entirely. But maybe this is supposed to be their one charity bill that they can point to over the next 50 years while they destroy everything else.
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