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Claude_Frollo
04/16/17 4:32:50 PM
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Do you have any sort of preference towards either side?



Well?
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Erik_P
04/16/17 4:35:34 PM
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The left are progressive, not regressive.

Also, why did you abandon your topic about you harassing your brother?
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Claude_Frollo
04/16/17 4:37:04 PM
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Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.

Also, why did you abandon your topic about you harassing your brother?


I didn't? Nothing seemed worth responding to. But if you really insist on me replying to your post, then fine.
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KroganCharr
04/16/17 4:51:20 PM
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Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.


So progressive is when you wave anarcho-communist flags, rampage through the streets and violently assault anyone you perceive as a Nazi?
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Claude_Frollo
04/16/17 4:53:24 PM
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Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.

Also, why did you abandon your topic about you harassing your brother?


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ce/91/88/ce9188e92884c3aaae14fc9de6e093cc.jpg

Such progressiveness.

KroganCharr posted...
Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.


So progressive is when you wave anarcho-communist flags, rampage through the streets and violently assault anyone you perceive as a Nazi?


If I recall correctly, wasn't it the pseudoprogressives who started getting violent?
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Erik_P
04/16/17 4:55:50 PM
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KroganCharr posted...
Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.


So progressive is when you wave anarcho-communist flags, rampage through the streets and violently assault anyone you perceive as a Nazi?


There were hundreds of rallies yesterday with thousands of protesters. Only one turned violent and it just so happened to involve Trump supporters.

While I haven't seen any reports on who started it, odds are good it was the pro Trump jackasses. There was a pro Trump rally a few weeks ago and that turned violent also.

There certainly wasn't any violence at the Women's March a day after the inauguration.
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Erik_P
04/16/17 4:56:55 PM
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Setting a sign on fire is bad now? I thought it was freedom of speech.
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Claude_Frollo
04/16/17 4:58:05 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Setting a sign on fire is bad now? I thought it was freedom of speech.


They have every right to do it, and I'll never argue against that, the point is that they oppose the freedom of speech, which earns them the labels of regressive leftist, pseudo-progressive, etc.
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Erik_P
04/16/17 5:00:30 PM
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Claude_Frollo posted...
Erik_P posted...
Setting a sign on fire is bad now? I thought it was freedom of speech.


They have every right to do it, and I'll never argue against that, the point is that they oppose the freedom of speech, which earns them the labels of regressive leftist, pseudo-progressive, etc.


Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the conservatives against freedom of speech. For 8 years they shit on Obama, and that was ok, but now that they got their guy in office it's suddenly wrong to say anything negative about the Orange Menace.
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Claude_Frollo
04/16/17 5:01:46 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Claude_Frollo posted...
Erik_P posted...
Setting a sign on fire is bad now? I thought it was freedom of speech.


They have every right to do it, and I'll never argue against that, the point is that they oppose the freedom of speech, which earns them the labels of regressive leftist, pseudo-progressive, etc.


Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the conservatives against freedom of speech. For 8 years they shit on Obama, and that was ok, but now that they got their guy in office it's suddenly wrong to say anything negative about the Orange Menace.


I can't stand people who can never acknowledge any fault on their own side, just deflecting any valid criticisms. Total lack of introspection; just a bunch of partisan hacks.

...Does the "P" stand for partisan?! :o
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Erik_P
04/16/17 5:07:11 PM
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Your idea of valid criticism is setting a sign on fire. Also, you're doing the exact thing you're bitching about; deflecting.
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Claude_Frollo
04/16/17 5:10:22 PM
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You defended the leftist mob as progressives. I posted an image of a protestor burning a sign with "Free Speech" on it, demonstrating that they oppose the freedom of speech, which is a highly regressive position to hold. This shows that no, they are not progressive despite any claims they may make to that title. They're regressive leftists, and that is a valid criticism of both them and your claims.

I haven't, and your false accusation of me doing so is, in and of itself, deflecting.
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Kyuubi4269
04/16/17 5:10:59 PM
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Erik_P posted...
While I haven't seen any reports on who started it, odds are good it was the pro Trump jackasses. There was a pro Trump rally a few weeks ago and that turned violent also.

Left propaganda.

If you start fights with every group you don't like when they protest, you paint them as belligerent to oblivious bystanders (you).
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Erik_P
04/16/17 5:13:23 PM
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Claude_Frollo posted...
You defended the leftist mob as progressives. I posted an image of a protestor burning a sign with "Free Speech" on it, demonstrating that they oppose the freedom of speech, which is a highly regressive position to hold. This shows that no, they are not progressive despite any claims they may make to that title. They're regressive leftists, and that is a valid criticism of both them and your claims.

I haven't, and your false accusation of me doing so is, in and of itself, deflecting.


Do you know, without a shadow of a doubt, that the person burning that sign owned that sign, and was a progressive? Also, if you know definitively, you need to provide proof.

Anyways, here's an interesting article on what that fight was really about. If you don't wanna read it, it basically details how a bunch of neo Nazis instigated everything.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a54564/the-violent-clashes-in-berkeley-werent-pro-trump-versus-anti-trump/
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AverageBoss
04/16/17 5:14:18 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Claude_Frollo posted...
Erik_P posted...
Setting a sign on fire is bad now? I thought it was freedom of speech.


They have every right to do it, and I'll never argue against that, the point is that they oppose the freedom of speech, which earns them the labels of regressive leftist, pseudo-progressive, etc.


Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the conservatives against freedom of speech. For 8 years they shit on Obama, and that was ok, but now that they got their guy in office it's suddenly wrong to say anything negative about the Orange Menace.


Considering anyone who said anything negative about Obamas policies was immediately labeled a racist, both sides are filled with hypocritical assholes.
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KroganCharr
04/16/17 5:23:04 PM
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Erik_P posted...
There certainly wasn't any violence at the Women's March a day after the inauguration.


Women's March was no Antifa event. Unlike you, I recognize that the left isn't a single, unified force. There are progressives, but there are also regressives. Antifa are in that latter category.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9jXxN-VYAAl-Nq.jpg
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Erik_P
04/16/17 5:25:27 PM
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KroganCharr posted...
Erik_P posted...
There certainly wasn't any violence at the Women's March a day after the inauguration.


Women's March was no Antifa event. Unlike you, I recognize that the left isn't a single, unified force. There are progressives, but there are also regressives. Antifa are in that latter category.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9jXxN-VYAAl-Nq.jpg


Using alt right buzzwords doesn't help your cause. Also, being against fascism isn't a regressive ideal. It's weird that you want a fascist regime.
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Rasmoh
04/16/17 5:29:07 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Also, being against fascism isn't a regressive ideal. It's weird that you want a fascist regime.


Pretty sure that leftists organizing groups to assault those who disagree with them is one of the first pages of the Fascism handbook.
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Erik_P
04/16/17 5:30:33 PM
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Rasmoh posted...
Erik_P posted...
Also, being against fascism isn't a regressive ideal. It's weird that you want a fascist regime.


Pretty sure that leftists organizing groups to assault those who disagree with them is one of the first pages of the Fascism handbook.


Ohhh the alt right Muslim hater joined the conversation. This gonna be good!
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Kyuubi4269
04/16/17 5:35:13 PM
#20:


Erik_P posted...
Rasmoh posted...
Erik_P posted...
Also, being against fascism isn't a regressive ideal. It's weird that you want a fascist regime.


Pretty sure that leftists organizing groups to assault those who disagree with them is one of the first pages of the Fascism handbook.


Ohhh the alt right Muslim hater joined the conversation. This gonna be good!

It was bad the moment you showed up.
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KroganCharr
04/16/17 5:45:23 PM
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Erik_P posted...
KroganCharr posted...
Erik_P posted...
There certainly wasn't any violence at the Women's March a day after the inauguration.


Women's March was no Antifa event. Unlike you, I recognize that the left isn't a single, unified force. There are progressives, but there are also regressives. Antifa are in that latter category.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9jXxN-VYAAl-Nq.jpg


Using alt right buzzwords doesn't help your cause. Also, being against fascism isn't a regressive ideal. It's weird that you want a fascist regime.


What alt right buzzwords did I use? And please don't tell me you're saying anyone who doesn't like Antifa is pro fascism. I'm a left libertarian, I want neither a fascist regime nor a communist one. I neither want to deny rights to minorities like the far right nor deny rights to rich people like the far left.
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Erik_P
04/16/17 5:51:36 PM
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Rich people aren't being denied their rights, and nobody is trying to do so.

You're kinda like Zeus. He claims to totally not be a Trump supporter but he's the biggest defender of the man I've ever seen.

Just because you claim you're a leftist that doesn't make you one, especially with the nonsense you're posting and using alt right buzzwords. And don't give me that shit about how you don't know what I'm talking about because you definitely do and are trying to plead ignorance.
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Rasmoh
04/16/17 5:59:19 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Ohhh the alt right Muslim hater joined the conversation. This gonna be good!


Even if any of that were true, you still did literally nothing to refute the point I made.
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Kyuubi4269
04/16/17 6:12:31 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Just because you claim you're a leftist that doesn't make you one

Claiming you're progressive doesn't make you one.
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Erik_P
04/16/17 6:23:30 PM
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Do you know, without a shadow of a doubt, that the person burning that sign owned that sign, and was a progressive? Also, if you know definitively, you need to provide proof.


It's been an hour since I asked you this @Claude_Frollo. I like how you abandoned your own topic because you got called out.

You're acting like a good little conservative. Make accusations with no evidence then run away when asked to prove the claims. And you're only 18!
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Ogurisama
04/16/17 6:32:26 PM
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Nichtcrawler X
04/16/17 6:40:24 PM
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Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.


Both the horizontal and vertical axis are described as progressive vs recessive, confusing I know.
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Claude_Frollo
04/17/17 4:58:26 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Do you know, without a shadow of a doubt, that the person burning that sign owned that sign, and was a progressive? Also, if you know definitively, you need to provide proof.


It's been an hour since I asked you this @Claude_Frollo. I like how you abandoned your own topic because you got called out.

You're acting like a good little conservative. Make accusations with no evidence then run away when asked to prove the claims. And you're only 18!


Okay, well, first off: If you think an hour between posts is a long time, you really need to get off of PotD and get back to your life in the meatspace. An hour is nothing, and it certainly doesn't mean I've "abandoned" my own topic because I got "called out". It's now been a day since my last post in this topic and I still haven't abandoned it.

Second, I'm not conservative, so that's utter nonsense.

Third:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYnNj4hLXD8


You can plainly see that this is the "progressive" side of the riot performing this action and they're clearly advocating against free speech, as are the numerous people around them shouting things like "Fuck free speech!"
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Erik_P
04/17/17 5:34:45 PM
#29:


Your proof is a video that has a title claiming the people doing it are progressives? You should've just done us all a favor and not posted in this topic again.

You certainly abandoned this topic seeing as how you were busy making other topics, all while you very obviously waited until a video supporting your idiotic claim got posted on YouTube.

Also, based on all your posts so far, you just scream "conservative."

And good job completely ignoring my link showing exactly what the riot was about. That also is more proof you're a conservative; they love ignoring sources that contradict their beliefs.

Hopefully you'll pull your head out of your ass as you get older.
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InfestedAdam
04/17/17 5:38:43 PM
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Ogurisama posted...
Can we all agree both sides have good people and bad people

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Smarkil
04/17/17 5:40:53 PM
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How.

How is it possible for any human being to be wrong 100% of the time?

Like, I would think that by sheer chance you would be right at least SOME percentage of the time.

Erik P is a real anomaly.
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Claude_Frollo
04/17/17 5:42:02 PM
#32:


Erik_P posted...
Your proof is a video that has a title claiming the people doing it are progressives?


My proof is a video of the Berkeley riot that clearly depicts the side claiming to be progressive in this instance.

Erik_P posted...
You should've just done us all a favor and not posted in this topic again.


Oh, the hypocrisy hurts!

Erik_P posted...
You certainly abandoned this topic seeing as how you were busy making other topics, all while you very obviously waited until a video supporting your idiotic claim got posted on YouTube.


The date given for the posting of the video is before this topic ever came into existence, so nice try.


Erik_P posted...
Also, based on all your posts so far, you just scream "conservative."


On all my posts so far, or just all my posts in this topic? Because if it's the former, you're full of shit, and if it's the latter, well, just because somebody says something you don't like doesn't mean they're conservative.

Erik_P posted...
And good job completely ignoring my link showing exactly what the riot was about. That also is more proof you're a conservative; they love ignoring sources that contradict their beliefs.


Uh, I've seen you ignore links that other users post and wave it off by saying something along the lines of "that's not a legitimate source".

Erik_P posted...
Hopefully you'll pull your head out of your ass as you get older.


Yeah, at least I still have a lot of time left to do so. It's probably too late for you.
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Claude_Frollo
04/17/17 5:46:16 PM
#33:


Smarkil posted...
How.

How is it possible for any human being to be wrong 100% of the time?

Like, I would think that by sheer chance you would be right at least SOME percentage of the time.

Erik P is a real anomaly.


I love how he said "you should have done us all a favor" as if the others posting in this topic are on his side. Nobody wants to side with Erik_P.
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Erik_P
04/17/17 5:58:30 PM
#34:


Smarkil posted...
How.

How is it possible for any human being to be wrong 100% of the time?

Like, I would think that by sheer chance you would be right at least SOME percentage of the time.

Erik P is a real anomaly.


Accuses me of being wrong, yet doesn't say what I'm wrong about or explain how I'm wrong. Ok little buddy.
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Lokarin
04/17/17 5:59:49 PM
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This is all Antifa Skaresians fault
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Smarkil
04/17/17 6:13:24 PM
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Erik_P posted...

Accuses me of being wrong, yet doesn't say what I'm wrong about or explain how I'm wrong. Ok little buddy.


You've never listened to anyone when they've pointed out exactly why you're wrong. So why would I bother?
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Zareth
04/17/17 6:18:05 PM
#37:


Damn Erik, you're making fucking Carlisle look like a reasonable person here.
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InfernalFive
04/17/17 6:34:10 PM
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What is it with this board and actively feeding obvious trolls? Must be boredom, I guess...
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Claude_Frollo
04/17/17 6:42:54 PM
#39:


Zareth posted...
Damn Erik, you're making fucking Carlisle look like a reasonable person here.


What beef do you have with me?
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Zeus
04/17/17 6:56:08 PM
#40:


Actually, the so-called leftists were the literal fascists in that case. They were protesting and trying to prevent free speech, which is a cornerstone of any free nation.

Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.


No in general and absurdly no in this instance. Antifa is trying to take the nation back to 1940s Italy or Germany.

Smarkil posted...
How.

How is it possible for any human being to be wrong 100% of the time?

Like, I would think that by sheer chance you would be right at least SOME percentage of the time.

Erik P is a real anomaly.


Erik epitomizes Poe's Law.
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Claude_Frollo
04/17/17 6:57:01 PM
#41:


Zeus posted...

Erik epitomizes Poe's Law.


To be fair, so do you on occasion, Mr. "War of Northern Aggression" and "Prohibition was a good thing".
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dainkinkaide
04/17/17 7:16:28 PM
#42:


Claude_Frollo posted...
Erik_P posted...
Setting a sign on fire is bad now? I thought it was freedom of speech.


They have every right to do it, and I'll never argue against that, the point is that they oppose the freedom of speech, which earns them the labels of regressive leftist, pseudo-progressive, etc.

They don't oppose free speech; they oppose the misguided use of "free speech" as an unassailable bulwark from behind which Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and assholes in general can hurl their shitty opinions and abuse at others.
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Erik_P
04/17/17 7:20:15 PM
#43:


No in general and absurdly no in this instance. Antifa is trying to take the nation back to 1940s Italy or Germany.


It's so funny how you use alt right buzzwords all wrong. It's like you hear the newest phrase on r/the_Donald, and without actually knowing what it means, use it in inappropriate instances.

Google isn't that hard to use.
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Smarkil
04/17/17 8:22:04 PM
#44:


Erik_P posted...
It's so funny how you use alt right buzzwords all wrong. It's like you hear the newest phrase on r/the_Donald, and without actually knowing what it means, use it in inappropriate instances.

Google isn't that hard to use.


I'm not sure what you keep referring to as an 'alt right buzzword'.

I can only assume you mean "Antifa" except that it's literally what they've named themselves. So you'd have to be pretty stupid to think that.
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TheCyborgNinja
04/17/17 8:27:02 PM
#45:


Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.

False. The far-left are simply their own brand of fascists that try to force everyone to conform a certain agenda. That Harrison Bergeron short story where there's a dystopia that handicaps people until everyone is equal is the sort of thing that would happen under their rule over time. The political spectrum isn't a line, it's a curve, and eventually both sides connect.
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Erik_P
04/17/17 8:32:24 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.

False. The far-left are simply their own brand of fascists that try to force everyone to conform a certain agenda. That Harrison Bergeron short story where there's a dystopia that handicaps people until everyone is equal is the sort of thing that would happen under their rule over time. The political spectrum isn't a line, it's a curve, and eventually both sides connect.


The alt right was the name neo Nazis used to rebrand themselves so that people wouldn't immediately dismiss them as racist.

The far left is just what a bunch of conservatives branded the entire left as to make themselves feel better about the fact that neo Nazis have taken over part of their party. The far left doesn't exist.
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Mead
04/17/17 8:38:37 PM
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Antifa is the dumbest movement going on nowadays. They think they are fighting fascism by physically attacking and destroying property of those who disagree with them. Fuck everything about them.
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TheCyborgNinja
04/17/17 8:39:47 PM
#48:


Erik_P posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.

False. The far-left are simply their own brand of fascists that try to force everyone to conform a certain agenda. That Harrison Bergeron short story where there's a dystopia that handicaps people until everyone is equal is the sort of thing that would happen under their rule over time. The political spectrum isn't a line, it's a curve, and eventually both sides connect.


The alt right was the name neo Nazis used to rebrand themselves so that people wouldn't immediately dismiss them as racist.

The far left is just what a bunch of conservatives branded the entire left as to make themselves feel better about the fact that neo Nazis have taken over part of their party. The far left doesn't exist.

No, there are extremes on both sides. To think one radical group is closed-minded but not the other makes this unworthy of further discussion. There's proof to the contrary that isn't simply one guy's opinion.
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Kyuubi4269
04/17/17 8:44:43 PM
#49:


dainkinkaide posted...
They don't oppose free speech; they oppose the misguided use of "free speech" as an unassailable bulwark from behind which Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and assholes in general can hurl their shitty opinions and abuse at others.

"Shitty opinions" are the entire point of free speech, you can't deprive somebody of their right to express their opinion because your or your culture's sensibilities don't mesh with them.

Imagine where we'd be if we completely blocked the "shitty opinion" that uneducated women be allowed to engage in or vote on political matters they know not of.
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Claude_Frollo
04/17/17 8:47:42 PM
#50:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
Erik_P posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Erik_P posted...
The left are progressive, not regressive.

False. The far-left are simply their own brand of fascists that try to force everyone to conform a certain agenda. That Harrison Bergeron short story where there's a dystopia that handicaps people until everyone is equal is the sort of thing that would happen under their rule over time. The political spectrum isn't a line, it's a curve, and eventually both sides connect.


The alt right was the name neo Nazis used to rebrand themselves so that people wouldn't immediately dismiss them as racist.

The far left is just what a bunch of conservatives branded the entire left as to make themselves feel better about the fact that neo Nazis have taken over part of their party. The far left doesn't exist.

No, there are extremes on both sides. To think one radical group is closed-minded but not the other makes this unworthy of further discussion. There's proof to the contrary that isn't simply one guy's opinion.


Like, I said, Erik is a partisan hack unable to perform introspection and acknowledge fault on his side.

He's Erik_Partisan.
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