Poll of the Day > Saw the new thor trailer, looks like marvel is stealing from DC again

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Muscles
04/15/17 5:34:48 PM
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Got the Justice League cartoon's War World, I kept expecting a cheap rip off of Mongul to show up
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helIy
04/15/17 6:52:05 PM
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it's called Planet hulk you uneducated moleface
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Zikten
04/15/17 6:54:48 PM
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to be fair, there is much in Marvel that is a direct ripoff of DC. Deadpool is sortof a parody of Deathstroke. the Avengers are literally from Marvel saying "we want our own Justice League". Thanos is based on Darkseid, in fact I think he's made by the same person. he made Darkseid, then moved to Marvel and missed writing Darkseid stories so he made Thanos
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Gundammike
04/15/17 11:49:51 PM
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Zikten posted...
to be fair, there is much in Marvel that is a direct ripoff of DC. Deadpool is sortof a parody of Deathstroke. the Avengers are literally from Marvel saying "we want our own Justice League". Thanos is based on Darkseid, in fact I think he's made by the same person. he made Darkseid, then moved to Marvel and missed writing Darkseid stories so he made Thanos


Nope. Jack Kirby made Darkseid, Jim Starlin made Thanos.
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Mead
04/15/17 11:51:29 PM
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Zikten posted...
to be fair, there is much in Marvel that is a direct ripoff of DC.


And vice versa. Aquaman is a shameless copy of Namor

The same creative teams often go back and forth working for both companies
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wwinterj25
04/16/17 12:08:28 AM
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Smarkil
04/16/17 12:59:10 AM
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And yet Marvel movies are actually decent and DC movies are dumb.

Whodathunkit.
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ParanoidObsessive
04/18/17 7:38:10 AM
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Zikten posted...
to be fair, there is much in Marvel that is a direct ripoff of DC.

Also to be fair, there's a lot of DC that is ripping off Marvel, and parts of both that are ripping off other comic companies or other media entirely.

For instance, it's not like most of the illiterate people today would even remotely be aware of this, but Green Lantern is basically a straight-up rip-off of the Lensman series (which DC openly acknowledge when they named one of their Green Lantern characters Arisia, which is the name of one of the planets in Lensman). Batman is basically Zorro, Superman was blatantly based on a pulp story written a few years earlier called Gladiator (and nearly every superhero comic you've ever read exists solely because Superman established the genre), Thor is coming straight out of real world mythology (with a weird Kirby twist), the original version of the Flash is pretty literally just the god Hermes wearing colorful long-johns, Green Arrow is straight-up Errol Flynn Robin Hood with a modern day twist, and so on.

And then there's stranger things like Swamp Thing/Man-Thing, where both companies basically created near-identical characters at almost the exact same time with no real evidence that either company was aware of the other's plans in advance. Or the twisty incestuous spiral you get when you consider that X-Men was probably a rip-off of Doom Patrol, which was in turn sort of a blatant attempt to make a Fantastic Four-ish sort of team, which was itself incredibly similar to the Challengers of the Unknown (which was also created by Jack Kirby), which in turn was sort of a Doc Savage/pulp adventure rip-off itself. Or the 437 different Captain America-esque comic characters that all popped up around the same time because the zeitgeist of the era was perfect for them.

People who whine about either company stealing from each other (or anyone else) are sort of missing the forest for the trees - very little entertainment these days is all that "original" (name a popular story or comic you enjoy, and I can probably name at least five things it's stealing its ideas from). And if the homage/affectionate parody/rip-off is interesting in its own right, who the fuck cares?

Hell, even if we accept the idea that X-Men was 100% copied from the Doom Patrol, I can also safely say there has never been a single moment in the entire history of the universe when I'd actually want to read a Doom Patrol comic or see a Doom Patrol movie rather than an X-Men one. If a "copy" does what it intends to do better than the "original" it's based on, then it's by definition the better product. And cross-pollination of ideas can absolutely lead to better products being created by everyone.


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fettster777
04/18/17 10:11:14 AM
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Not even Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol?
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ParanoidObsessive
04/18/17 10:20:16 AM
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fettster777 posted...
Not even Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol?

I loathe Morrison's work, so no.

In fact, given the choice between Morrison's Doom Patrol and Morrison's X-Men runs, I'd choose a painful root canal over either.

I know a lot of comic fanboys love to suck his dick, and I've even acknowledge he's capable of writing good stories (even if nearly everything he does is pretentious as fuck and mired in either pseudo-philosophical wankery or continuity-blind nostalgia wankery), but most of his work leaves me really cold. And his work on established franchises (X-Men, Batman, etc) tend to be some of his worst work (ie, he works best when writing original characters, or existing characters that literally no one else gives a single shit about).


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PKMNsony
04/18/17 11:47:16 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zikten posted...
to be fair, there is much in Marvel that is a direct ripoff of DC.

Also to be fair, there's a lot of DC that is ripping off Marvel, and parts of both that are ripping off other comic companies or other media entirely.

For instance, it's not like most of the illiterate people today would even remotely be aware of this, but Green Lantern is basically a straight-up rip-off of the Lensman series (which DC openly acknowledge when they named one of their Green Lantern characters Arisia, which is the name of one of the planets in Lensman). Batman is basically Zorro, Superman was blatantly based on a pulp story written a few years earlier called Gladiator (and nearly every superhero comic you've ever read exists solely because Superman established the genre), Thor is coming straight out of real world mythology (with a weird Kirby twist), the original version of the Flash is pretty literally just the god Hermes wearing colorful long-johns, Green Arrow is straight-up Errol Flynn Robin Hood with a modern day twist, and so on.

And then there's stranger things like Swamp Thing/Man-Thing, where both companies basically created near-identical characters at almost the exact same time with no real evidence that either company was aware of the other's plans in advance. Or the twisty incestuous spiral you get when you consider that X-Men was probably a rip-off of Doom Patrol, which was in turn sort of a blatant attempt to make a Fantastic Four-ish sort of team, which was itself incredibly similar to the Challengers of the Unknown (which was also created by Jack Kirby), which in turn was sort of a Doc Savage/pulp adventure rip-off itself. Or the 437 different Captain America-esque comic characters that all popped up around the same time because the zeitgeist of the era was perfect for them.

People who whine about either company stealing from each other (or anyone else) are sort of missing the forest for the trees - very little entertainment these days is all that "original" (name a popular story or comic you enjoy, and I can probably name at least five things it's stealing its ideas from). And if the homage/affectionate parody/rip-off is interesting in its own right, who the fuck cares?

Hell, even if we accept the idea that X-Men was 100% copied from the Doom Patrol, I can also safely say there has never been a single moment in the entire history of the universe when I'd actually want to read a Doom Patrol comic or see a Doom Patrol movie rather than an X-Men one. If a "copy" does what it intends to do better than the "original" it's based on, then it's by definition the better product. And cross-pollination of ideas can absolutely lead to better products being created by everyone.


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Blighboy
04/18/17 12:01:55 PM
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I miss Cynical Zealot he didn't pull this kind of pretentious shit.
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CynicalZealot
04/19/17 1:41:29 AM
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Blighboy posted...
I miss Cynical Zealot he didn't pull this kind of pretentious shit.

Yeah, fuck pretensions!


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