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xyphilia
04/15/17 3:47:39 AM
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Here's the difference between Sony/Nintendo and Microsoft:

Sony and Nintendo have done a bunch of horrible anti gamer things in the last few decades.

But Microsoft hasn't done a single good thing.
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DrizztLink
04/15/17 3:48:53 AM
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They made games I like, so there's that.
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Zack_Attackv1
04/15/17 3:50:38 AM
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lol, first person shooters
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DawkinsNumber4
04/15/17 3:51:49 AM
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xyphilia posted...
Here's the difference between Sony/Nintendo and Microsoft:

Sony and Nintendo have done a bunch of horrible anti gamer things in the last few decades.

But Microsoft hasn't done a single good thing.



Literally set the standard for online console play.
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ModLogic
04/15/17 4:06:34 AM
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literally also released defective hardware that CANNOT be fixed and left many consumers out of pocket
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FroMan
04/15/17 4:25:51 AM
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Microsoft made the best console in 2 out of the 3 past generations.
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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 4:30:10 AM
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Literally set the standard for online console play.

Online console play

70xTt5H
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MixedMartialArt
04/15/17 4:31:23 AM
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Halo 3 says hello and fuck you
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creativeme
04/15/17 4:32:30 AM
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FroMan posted...
Microsoft made the best console in 2 out of the 3 past generations.


strongest =/= best. none of their consoles have been close to best selling either. ps2, wii and ps4 stomped them.

the only argument you can make is 360 vs ps3 and even then i give it to ps3 despite the shitty launch. they redeemed themselves and made me switch over from a 360 to ps3. i started with a ps4 and xbone has nothing that makes me wanna switch to one. i could easily afford it and have every system again but the game i wanna play the most is rare replay. ps4 is killing them on exclusives.
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TendoDRM
04/15/17 4:33:49 AM
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Created the best controller.
They're the only one of the three who know how to make a UI.
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ModLogic
04/15/17 4:36:02 AM
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DawkinsNumber4
04/15/17 2:25:34 PM
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ModLogic posted...
literally also released defective hardware that CANNOT be fixed and left many consumers out of pocket



Just like Sony?
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apocalyptic_4
04/15/17 2:27:08 PM
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Fax_Machine posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Literally set the standard for online console play.

Online console play

70xTt5H


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DawkinsNumber4
04/15/17 2:28:05 PM
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Fax_Machine posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Literally set the standard for online console play.

Online console play

70xTt5H



I am a PC gamer but I beta tested XBOX Live and until then all you had was the shitty online that came with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 online for PS2 that utilized very unorganized online play methods. That being said, Steam literally pretty much copied XBOX Live .
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FL81
04/15/17 2:29:30 PM
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xyphilia posted...
But Microsoft hasn't done a single good thing.

DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Literally set the standard for online console play.

They set the standard for charging money for online multiplayer, they didn't create online console play

his point still stands
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DawkinsNumber4
04/15/17 2:43:58 PM
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FL81 posted...
xyphilia posted...
But Microsoft hasn't done a single good thing.

DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Literally set the standard for online console play.

They set the standard for charging money for online multiplayer, they didn't create online console play

his point still stands



Actually PC set that standard (and not just Microsoft), that being said, Sony switched to the same method, why? It's necessary to sustain a decent service and make a profit.
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DarkChozoGhost
04/15/17 2:45:34 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
They made games

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FroMan
04/15/17 2:46:47 PM
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Even if you are a Sony fanboy, you have to admit that just having Microsoft for competition has been good for the gaming industry as a whole. Lord knows Nintendo can't be expected to give Sony a run for their money.
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chill02
04/15/17 2:49:50 PM
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standardized online multiplayer
using HDD as storage instead of memory cards
partial backwards compatibility with previous consoles
refunds for downloadable games bought in their store
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DarkChozoGhost
04/15/17 3:03:37 PM
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Yeah I talk shit on them but some good has definitely come out of it. The 360 and XOne controller are infinitely better than any playstation controller on the basis that letters are drastically superior for buttons than the shitty shapes. Plus you can use it for PC games easily, and a controller is more fun than keyboard and mouse for 99% of games.

Internal storage was probably going to be a thing regardless, but they did have the first console to do it.
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chill02
04/15/17 3:04:50 PM
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oh yeah, the controller is the tits
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weapon_d00d816
04/15/17 3:05:09 PM
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ModLogic posted...
TendoDRM posted...
Created the best controller.

lmfao

Fax_Machine posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
Literally set the standard for online console play.

Online console play

70xTt5H

You guys are the weird ones, just fyi
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ModLogic
04/15/17 3:59:32 PM
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...
ModLogic posted...
literally also released defective hardware that CANNOT be fixed and left many consumers out of pocket



Just like Sony?

oh was sonys failure rate at 54%
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DawkinsNumber4
04/15/17 4:09:03 PM
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ModLogic posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
ModLogic posted...
literally also released defective hardware that CANNOT be fixed and left many consumers out of pocket



Just like Sony?

oh was sonys failure rate at 54%



If you are talking about the RROD and the YLOD etc. that all stems from the same problem and is also common in modern laptops as well. It is cheap metal (specifically solder) being used and when it heats and cools it eventually cracks and loses connection. This was why the fix was often to put it in a heating blanket and such (I use the oven method where you preheat to 385 and put the mobo in the oven for 8 minutes) because it would melt the solder and it would recollapse on itself and recreate the connection. This is not unique to Microsoft nor is it unique to Sony. If you are talking about something else then please elaborate.


Also that 54% number comes solely from GameInformer without any detailed graph to verify a proper methodology was used without ignoring relevant controls.
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ModLogic
04/15/17 4:26:50 PM
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rrod and ylod. shouldn't even be lumped together. its a fact 360 failure rates were so significant they had to redesign the pos multiple times. but that doesnt fix the problem for people who already bought a defective unit, since they only "fix" it under warranty and not replace it with a non defective unit.
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FroMan
04/15/17 6:02:59 PM
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People need to get over their grudges with the 360. Were half the units made in the first two years defective? Sure, but they fixed the problem and everything was fine after that. 2 rough years shouldn't overshadow 8 years of kicking ass.
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ModLogic
04/15/17 6:05:24 PM
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FroMan posted...
Sure, but they fixed the problem

so the people who bought defective units magically had theirs replaced with jaspers by a console fairy in the middle of the night?
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FroMan
04/15/17 6:09:31 PM
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ModLogic posted...
FroMan posted...
Sure, but they fixed the problem

so the people who bought defective units magically had theirs replaced with jaspers by a console fairy in the middle of the night?


I'm just saying, the amount of people who bought 360's and never saw a red ring of death FAR outweighs those who did.
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chill02
04/15/17 6:38:55 PM
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I got my console replaced 4 times, but I never paid for repairs
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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 9:13:31 PM
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...
I am a PC gamer but I beta tested XBOX Live and until then all you had was the shitty online that came with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 online for PS2 that utilized very unorganized online play methods

This is factually incorrect. You could play many Xbox multiplayer games before XboxLive on both GameSpy arcade and XboxConnect
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Spidey5
04/15/17 9:15:17 PM
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DarthAragorn
04/15/17 9:17:51 PM
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Fax_Machine posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
I am a PC gamer but I beta tested XBOX Live and until then all you had was the shitty online that came with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 online for PS2 that utilized very unorganized online play methods

This is factually incorrect. You could play many Xbox multiplayer games before XboxLive on both GameSpy arcade and XboxConnect

You could, but it sure wasn't as good as Xbox Live was.
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YourDrunkFather
04/15/17 9:20:56 PM
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ModLogic posted...
DawkinsNumber4 posted...
ModLogic posted...
literally also released defective hardware that CANNOT be fixed and left many consumers out of pocket



Just like Sony?

oh was sonys failure rate at 54%


It was high enough for a class action lawsuit to be brought against them
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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 9:22:07 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
You could, but it sure wasn't as good as Xbox Live was.

That;s not the argument being presented.
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Slip-N-Slide
04/15/17 9:22:52 PM
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...
xyphilia posted...
Here's the difference between Sony/Nintendo and Microsoft:

Sony and Nintendo have done a bunch of horrible anti gamer things in the last few decades.

But Microsoft hasn't done a single good thing.



Literally set the standard for online console play.

Lol yeah and making you pay to be able to do it...
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Antifar
04/15/17 9:22:59 PM
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Forza is good
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Fart_Tzar
04/15/17 9:27:49 PM
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