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lol where did anyone imply pirates pirate games to try it out?
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It's definitely one reason because demos are so goddamn rare anymore
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ModLogic posted...

lol where did anyone imply pirates pirate games to try it out?

You did.

"hmm this looks interesting" *tries to pirate*

Presumably this means you were interested in something and wanted to try before you buy.

Regardless, it's up to the content creator to set out the terms of the use of their content. If you think they're charging too much or not providing good enough service or if there's any reason you don't like the deal they've laid out then don't consume their stuff. Otherweise it's just hypocrtical in every way to enjoy something and then say "but I've decided it's not worth any money".
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lol the doormat line of thought

it cant possibru be a situation where the product is interesting but not something you would pay for.
i might watch fast and furious on tv but ill never pay for a movie ticket. and if they never show fast and furious on tv then oh well i wont watch it.
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DarthAragorn posted...

It's definitely one reason because demos are so goddamn rare anymore

you can "demo" games on stores like Steam or Origin now since they have full refund policies, provided you submit your claim within the time limit
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lol doormat lololol

Keep saying it buddy, keep saying it. I work in a creative industry and have no time for people who want to pay me in exposure or gratitude or steal my intellectual property because they think I'm fine with that "since it's not costing you anything").

(Incidentally the Fast and the Furious analogy you gave shows how poor your understanding of this whole "content creator's prerogative" situation is. When you see a movie on TV it means it's licensed to be shown on TV, meaning the content owner has already given you express permission to view it "for free").

You know what I would do as a creative person that charges money for my work if someone told me they wanted to have my stuff because they find it interesting, but not interesting enough to pay for? I'd tell them to hit the bricks, as politely as possible. Your polite interest has never put food on my table.
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ModLogic posted...

it cant possibru be a situation where the product is interesting but not something you would pay for

If it's interesting, why aren't you paying it.

ModLogic posted...

and if they never show fast and furious on tv then oh well i wont watch it.

Which means you're paying for via the ads shown. And if they decide not to put on tv and areally "fine" not watching it. Why are you justified to steal a game because they decided not to give it away to you for free.
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ModLogic posted...

lol the doormat line of thought

it cant possibru be a situation where the product is interesting but not something you would pay for.
i might watch fast and furious on tv but ill never pay for a movie ticket. and if they never show fast and furious on tv then oh well i wont watch it.

Why not just pirate it?
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lol doormats always want to play armchair lawyer

but still lacks the mental capacity actually comprehend the fact that was laid out.

person X is somewhat interested in item Y
item Y costs $0, person X takes it
Item Y costs >$0, person X walks away

but in the doormats fantasy, if item Y costs >$0 then person X must and will buy it
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I Like Toast posted...

If it's interesting, why aren't you paying it.

this is a question i would like to ask those buffoons who hated anet but then accepted gifted copies of factions and played on. but wouldnt have bought it.
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ModLogic posted...

lol doormats always want to play armchair lawyer

but still lacks the mental capacity actually comprehend the fact that was laid out.

person X is somewhat interested in item Y
item Y costs $0, person X takes it
Item Y costs >$0, person X walks away

but in the doormats fantasy, if item Y costs >$0 then person X must and will buy it

Jesus, we're this far into the topic and you're still going on about the difference between stealing and piracy as if that's the argument. That was never the argument.

Let me lay it out once again: regardless of whether I actually lose or don't lose money is not the point. I make something, I get to decide what it's worth. You as a customer are not entitled to set the price point or the terms of use. You as a customer gets to decide if you will agree to the terms I lay out. There is no moral situation where you get to use my content and go against my express and explicitly stated terms of use.
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actually im not going on about piracy not being stealing

my point is that people ignorantly believe pirates would buy games if piracy wasn't available
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ModLogic posted...

actually im not going on about piracy not being stealing

my point is that people ignorantly believe pirates would buy games if piracy wasn't available

So you actually believe that people would just stop being videogamers if they had no option other than piracy? The same market that spends $2k+ on custom gaming PCs and $500+ on new consoles simply can't afford to and wouldn't shell out $30 for a videogame?

Lol, give me a fucking break.
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pinky0926 posted...

So you actually believe that people would just stop being videogamers if they had no option other than piracy? The same market that spends $2k+ on custom gaming PCs and $500+ on new consoles simply can't afford to and wouldn't shell out $30 for a videogame?

ignorant belief that pirates never buy games
ignorant belief that people pirate cos they cant afford to buy
ignorant belief that pc "gamers" have any sense
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pirating is sleazy no matter the reason.
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ModLogic posted...

pinky0926 posted...

So you actually believe that people would just stop being videogamers if they had no option other than piracy? The same market that spends $2k+ on custom gaming PCs and $500+ on new consoles simply can't afford to and wouldn't shell out $30 for a videogame?

ignorant belief that pirates never buy games
ignorant belief that people pirate cos they cant afford to buy
ignorant belief that pc "gamers" have any sense

Your argument lacks any coherency at all. What are you trying to say? Presumably the person you're talking about is a guy who sometimes pirates but sometimes doesn't, who can afford to buy games but chooses not to, and that is playing console games instead of PC. What kind of point is that? It's as if you think my argument hangs on the premise "all pirates always pirate", which is dumb and never anything close to anything I ever said, or even close to the point of the conversation.
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ModLogic posted...

my point is that people ignorantly believe pirates would buy games if piracy wasn't available

>0% of people would buy the games if piracy wasn't available. <100% of would.

Absolutely no one has said or even remotely implied that 100% would.

ModLogic posted...

this is a question i would like to ask those buffoons who hated anet but then accepted gifted copies of factions and played on. but wouldnt have bought it.

So a game came out, I wasn't interested, I didn't buy it, I didn't steal it, and I didn't ask for it as a gift and you're confused? No wonder you're a barely functional human being.

now i'm off to Persona, a game I found interesting and paid for. You have fun with your daily struggles of basic logic and reading comprehension.
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pinky0926 posted...

frankly if piracy wasn't an option you can bet people would be buying a lot more.

bzzt false
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I Like Toast posted...

So a game came out, I wasn't interested, I didn't buy it, I didn't steal it

and yet some 13 year old kid was goaded into buying you a copy of the game that you had no issues with playing through
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ModLogic posted...

pinky0926 posted...

frankly if piracy wasn't an option you can bet people would be buying a lot more.

bzzt false

If people want something they'll pursue it, it's simple supply/demand. Right now you have a supply option called pirating. if that pirating wasn't available the market would pursue the only other avenues of consuming it.

Your argument essentially relies on the idea that if piracy wasn't around then everyone who predominately plays games by pirating would just stop playing games.

Since I assume you're a pirate, what would you do, honestly?
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ive yet to buy a ps4 guess why?
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ModLogic posted...

ive yet to buy a ps4 guess why?

Because you didn't want to/too expensive/busy with other things? None of this contradicts my argument.
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im waiting for something to happen

and if it never happens i just wont buy one

LIKE MANY PEOPLE

but this reality cannot be fathomed by doormats
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ModLogic posted...

im waiting for something to happen

and if it never happens i just wont buy one

LIKE MANY PEOPLE

None of this has any relevance to anything. Your personal circumstances or desires have nothing at all with your entitlement to set the terms of use for content.
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Yeah lol
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pinky0926 posted...

ModLogic posted...

im waiting for something to happen

and if it never happens i just wont buy one

LIKE MANY PEOPLE

None of this has any relevance to anything. Your personal circumstances or desires have nothing at all with your entitlement to set the terms of use for content.

lol yea my personal as if its only a few that operate this way
doormat denial
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What's with this doormat meme, do you have any actual points to make
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its not a meme, its accurate terminology to use for the likes of you
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ModLogic posted...

its not a meme, its accurate terminology to use for the likes of you

I love how you actually think piracy makes you a badass, lmao
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pinky0926 posted...

do you have any actual points to make

it's tehdud, so, no
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chill02 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

do you have any actual points to make

it's tehdud, so, no

oh. /facepalm
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I wouldn't support the company if the game doesn't interest me.


If you have to pirate the game just for the sake pirating....then say it isn't worth the money despite not having any interest in it...that is crazy considering you didn't even pay for it.


If anyone's argument stems from not having enough money...you can wait until a price drop or wait for them to include all of the DLC with the disc/digital copy and save up the money to purchase it.
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Andrew21044 posted...

If anyone's argument stems from not having enough money...you can wait until a price drop or wait for them to include all of the DLC with the disc/digital copy and save up the money to purchase it.

Regardless, not having the money to purchase something doesn't mean you're entitled to have it anyway.

So in summary yes, clearly a lot of gamers are entitled if they think that way.
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pinky0926 posted...

Regardless, not having the money to purchase something doesn't mean you're entitled to have it anyway.

Says who? You?
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I agree with Pinky. Usually the most pirated games/movies/etc. are the ones that are also the most popular. It's not a matter of "I need to try out this game first because the company is kind of sketchy and I can't trust the reviews", it's "I want to play the most popular games without paying money".

As far as the "i wasn't gonna buy it anyway" argument is concerned, when I worked at Walmart there were some games that had been overpurchased. We basically had way more copies of some games than the community that actually shopped at our Walmart would ever reasonably sell. They would just sit on the shelves, slowly decreasing in price over the years, until some inventory person decided to get rid of them.

If I had taken one of those when no one was looking a year before that, I wouldn't be preventing a sale, since they weren't going to get sold. But it was still be theft. It's not hurting anyone's bottom line, but it's still theft.
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pinky0926 posted...

Regardless, not having the money to purchase something doesn't mean you're entitled to have it anyway.

save up the money to purchase it.

wait until the DLC is included with the game.

That mentality can easily be avoided if you save up the money in order to have the game.

Put aside some more money if you're interested in the DLC or if you're a completionist/perfectionist. No need to pirate.
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pinky0926 posted...

not having the money to purchase something doesn't mean you're entitled to have it anyway.

pinky0926 posted...

ModLogic posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

I assume you feel the same way about people who use adblockers?

and people who steal textbooks. and people who steal manga and anime.

lol yea right. video game fanboys are a special breed of special.

I said pirates, not video game pirates. I actually have a consistent opinion across this over any media that is readily available at competitive pricing.

so basically this doormat steals things that is out of his accepted price range.
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