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Solar_Crimson
04/12/17 7:07:28 PM
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For almost the entire game.


I'm looking at you, Stella Glow, forcing me to use Ewan in a late game battle, Ewan being so ignored that he is still at level 10 when the enemies are now in the low 30's (30 may not seem high, but apparently the final boss is at level 45, so...).
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pinky0926
04/12/17 7:08:35 PM
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When an JRPG makes the most annoying, least likeable character the most powerful and useful member of the party. errytime.
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hyperpsycho
04/12/17 7:13:32 PM
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When they force you to split up the party

JUST
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darkphoenix181
04/12/17 7:13:58 PM
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FF7

and FF8
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Squall28
04/12/17 7:14:28 PM
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I love when they split the party tbh.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
04/12/17 7:19:09 PM
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KOTOR 2. Only used Jedi in my party, suddenly there is a boss battle and I am forced to use Atton w/ no supporting party members, against 2 of the toughest mobs in the game.

And then when I have to use a party of scrubs I never used to raid an entire sith temple.
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BiweeklyAaron
04/12/17 7:19:38 PM
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Good RPG's force you into characters/split the party regularly so that no one falls too far behind.
Great RPG's have the characters or mechanics balanced in such a way that the player wants to rotate them regularly.
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lilORANG
04/12/17 7:32:16 PM
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When you have to use Cait Sith lol. Nobody ever used Cait Sith.
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WaffIeElite
04/12/17 7:34:10 PM
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Came in here to shit on Sten (BoF2).
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Kineth
04/12/17 7:34:14 PM
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I learned my lesson on that a long time ago and just rotate out party members to make sure that people are, at least, within 5-10 levels of each other.
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Solar_Crimson
04/12/17 7:34:41 PM
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BiweeklyAaron posted...
Good RPG's force you into characters/split the party regularly so that no one falls too far behind.
Great RPG's have the characters or mechanics balanced in such a way that the player wants to rotate them regularly.

The problem with Stella Glow is that once you get the Witches up and running, you have no real reason to use anyone else but Alto (the MC) and the Witches. It doesn't help that out of 14 (maybe 15?) characters, you can typically only use 6-7 in a battle (or even 8 in rare cases; it depends on who is required), and Alto is required in every storyline battle.

So, you wind up in those occasional situations where the game forces you to use potentially underleveled characters, such as the battle I'm at now, as well as an earlier one before the big plot twist where you have to use several potentially-underleveled characters.
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Monday
04/12/17 7:36:54 PM
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hyperpsycho posted...
When they force you to split up the party

JUST


FF9 did this so many times and it annoyed the hell out of me.
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Esrac
04/12/17 7:43:59 PM
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I, too, found Ewan to be useless.

Then again, my party basically consisted of the Witches I had available, Alto, Archibald and/or Nonoka.

Other than Alto and the Witches, everyone was just extra.
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thisisboris2
04/12/17 7:53:27 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
KOTOR 2. Only used Jedi in my party, suddenly there is a boss battle and I am forced to use Atton w/ no supporting party members, against 2 of the toughest mobs in the game.

And then when I have to use a party of scrubs I never used to raid an entire sith temple.


lol i remember this

i used so many damn shields on atton, and then for the temple i remember my party getting wiped so many times
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pres_madagascar
04/12/17 7:56:10 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
KOTOR 2. Only used Jedi in my party, suddenly there is a boss battle and I am forced to use Atton w/ no supporting party members, against 2 of the toughest mobs in the game.

And then when I have to use a party of scrubs I never used to raid an entire sith temple.

This is why restored content mod made that better. Atton being a Jedi by that point makes that part much easier.
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jenningsnash313
04/12/17 7:57:11 PM
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Kineth posted...
I learned my lesson on that a long time ago and just rotate out party members to make sure that people are, at least, within 5-10 levels of each other.

This. Even if I hate a character and know they're useless, I keep them updated just in case something like this happens.
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Alkaloid
04/12/17 7:58:43 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
Came in here to shit on Sten (BoF2).

I love BoF2. But that part sucked SO BAD.
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legendarylemur
04/12/17 8:06:03 PM
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Wut, Ewan is forced literally like 1 chapter isn't he? He sucks, but that chapter is beatable on hard mode without even making him move.

I had him get the treasure chests on the castle and beat the rest. Ewan also gets Mordi's trap skill, so that's pretty helpful
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hyperpsycho
04/12/17 8:06:27 PM
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Monday posted...
hyperpsycho posted...
When they force you to split up the party

JUST


FF9 did this so many times and it annoyed the hell out of me.

I was thinking of FF5. That game's job system was so much fun but holy shit there was so much stupid gimmicky bullshit like Fork Tower where you have to split your party up into two groups: one can only use magic and the other can only use physical attacks. It wasn't that hard save for the boss at the end of the magic group but it was really annoying.
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Solar_Crimson
04/12/17 8:07:22 PM
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legendarylemur posted...
Wut, Ewan is forced literally like 1 chapter isn't he? He sucks, but that chapter is beatable on hard mode without even making him move.

I had him get the treasure chests on the castle and beat the rest. Ewan also gets Mordi's trap skill, so that's pretty helpful

Two, actually (at least, from what I've seen so far). One of the battles before the big twist in Chapter 7, and Port Noir in Chapter 10.
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legendarylemur
04/12/17 8:07:47 PM
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Esrac posted...
I, too, found Ewan to be useless.

Then again, my party basically consisted of the Witches I had available, Alto, Archibald and/or Nonoka.

Other than Alto and the Witches, everyone was just extra.

Rusty is by far the best character in the game. He's insanely tanky and has the same attack power as most of the powerful characters despite being ranged somehow... he can also steal, do status, can do a pseudo follow up, has insane AOE, like they gave this guy everything but magical attack
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legendarylemur
04/12/17 8:08:32 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Wut, Ewan is forced literally like 1 chapter isn't he? He sucks, but that chapter is beatable on hard mode without even making him move.

I had him get the treasure chests on the castle and beat the rest. Ewan also gets Mordi's trap skill, so that's pretty helpful

Two, actually (at least, from what I've seen so far). One of the battles before the big twist in Chapter 7, and Port Noir in Chapter 10.

I'm thinking Ch 7 is the castle battle? I don't remember ever using him in Ch 10 tho lmao
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Solar_Crimson
04/12/17 8:10:11 PM
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legendarylemur posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Wut, Ewan is forced literally like 1 chapter isn't he? He sucks, but that chapter is beatable on hard mode without even making him move.

I had him get the treasure chests on the castle and beat the rest. Ewan also gets Mordi's trap skill, so that's pretty helpful

Two, actually (at least, from what I've seen so far). One of the battles before the big twist in Chapter 7, and Port Noir in Chapter 10.

I'm thinking Ch 7 is the castle battle? I don't remember ever using him in Ch 10 tho lmao

Yeah, the castle battle is in Chapter 7.

Chapter 10 has the part where you're looking for all of the scores and have to go to each of the Witches' hometowns. Ewan is forced in the Port Noir battle.
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MechaKirby
04/12/17 8:15:30 PM
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Splitting Parties is especially annoying when team members are carrying items/gear you want others to have ( Like weapons with master-able skills)
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legendarylemur
04/12/17 8:49:11 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
legendarylemur posted...
Wut, Ewan is forced literally like 1 chapter isn't he? He sucks, but that chapter is beatable on hard mode without even making him move.

I had him get the treasure chests on the castle and beat the rest. Ewan also gets Mordi's trap skill, so that's pretty helpful

Two, actually (at least, from what I've seen so far). One of the battles before the big twist in Chapter 7, and Port Noir in Chapter 10.

I'm thinking Ch 7 is the castle battle? I don't remember ever using him in Ch 10 tho lmao

Yeah, the castle battle is in Chapter 7.

Chapter 10 has the part where you're looking for all of the scores and have to go to each of the Witches' hometowns. Ewan is forced in the Port Noir battle.

Ohhhh yeah you know what, I do remember that one. It felt hazy to me cuz Popo was like super overleveled for me. I unlocked her goddess form or whatever that was called, and her 2nd song just wrecked stages. So much exp
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AngelsNAirwav3s
04/13/17 2:52:08 PM
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pres_madagascar posted...
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
KOTOR 2. Only used Jedi in my party, suddenly there is a boss battle and I am forced to use Atton w/ no supporting party members, against 2 of the toughest mobs in the game.

And then when I have to use a party of scrubs I never used to raid an entire sith temple.

This is why restored content mod made that better. Atton being a Jedi by that point makes that part much easier.


I am pretty sure Atton could still be a jedi at that point if you had enough affection points with him, but if you complete Nar Shadaa in one go then this fight is pretty soon after Atton becomes one, so he is still pretty useless.

And in my first run through I never even realized till the end of the game that you could turn your companions into jedis lol
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Darkman124
04/13/17 3:02:40 PM
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i dont mind being forced to use other party members if everyone levels up at the same rate

what's dumb is when some party members are weak as shit and others are strong and the game is built around the strong ones
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LightHawKnight
04/13/17 3:05:56 PM
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Man, been so long, I forgot who Ewan was, never used him either.
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Nazanir
04/13/17 3:16:27 PM
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BiweeklyAaron posted...
Good RPG's force you into characters/split the party regularly so that no one falls too far behind.
Great RPG's have the characters or mechanics balanced in such a way that the player wants to rotate them regularly.

Eh, I sort of agree, but it doesn't always work.

I love Baldur's Gate 2 for example. You can have a party of maximum 6 characters, experience is divided amongst them. If you have less characters, they get more experience (also makes it more challenging). Pretty much all characters have their own story, that come with their own questline. So yeah, you will want to rotate characters if you want to experience as much as you can. But sometimes it can make for really weird party compositions. Some work really well, some.... not so much.

But for me, this game handled it pretty much the best.
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philsov
04/13/17 3:22:51 PM
#33:


pinky0926 posted...
When an JRPG makes the most annoying, least likeable character the most powerful and useful member of the party. errytime.


The opposite is worse

The best, most likable character who has been a staple since fight 1 just ups and dies. Hope your bullpen was warm and you enjoyed all those sunk resources.

RIP Aeris
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luigi13579
04/13/17 3:23:48 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
i dont mind being forced to use other party members if everyone levels up at the same rate

That's what I was just about to say. Also, I love when that is the case and a neglected party member has a load of upgrades waiting.
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Solar_Crimson
04/13/17 3:29:35 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
i dont mind being forced to use other party members if everyone levels up at the same rate

what's dumb is when some party members are weak as shit and others are strong and the game is built around the strong ones

Yeah, in Stella Glow, there's no such thing as leaked experience. Characters only gain experience from doing actions in battle; if they are not used, they get no experience at all.

LightHawKnight posted...
Man, been so long, I forgot who Ewan was, never used him either.

The little kid who runs a huge corporation.
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garan
04/13/17 4:39:30 PM
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Squall28 posted...
I love when they split the party tbh.


Same here. My favorite part of FF6 is the 3 party split before meeting back up at Narche.

Also, splitting the party up was probably my favorite thing about FF9-- once the gang all gets together later on, the plot becomes much less interesting.
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kirbymuncher
04/13/17 4:47:16 PM
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I dunno if I've played any games that do this, at least not ones which don't also share exp to non-active party members.

The thing that really bugs me in games that don't share exp is when every new character that joins your party is lower leveled than your current party. It really makes me reluctant to swap my team around at all if I need to actively make my party worse to do it
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ArtVandelay
04/13/17 4:55:15 PM
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BiweeklyAaron posted...
Good RPG's force you into characters/split the party regularly so that no one falls too far behind.
Great RPG's have the characters or mechanics balanced in such a way that the player wants to rotate them regularly.

great RPGs have default expshare tbh
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meestermj
04/13/17 4:57:31 PM
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Golden Sun TLA was guilty of this.
Gives you two teams of 4, except there's no reason to use anyone othet than Isaac, Felix, Garet, and Piers/Mia.

The two Jupiter adepts were worthless stat wise and Jenna was overall outclassed by Garet.

Piers/Mia was a tougher choice because botg were really similar, but I usually went with Piers because he was much cooler.
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username191
04/13/17 5:20:24 PM
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FFX is an example of doing it the right way. Easy to switch in and out characters so everybody levels easily and everybody is needed (except maybe Kimahri, but you didn't need to level him if you didn't want to.)
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Dusk-HD
04/13/17 5:29:24 PM
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When you waste your fucking elixer and it turns out it was an unwinnable fight for plot reasons. Just kill me, you tossers.
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ROBANN_88
04/13/17 5:31:31 PM
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Monday posted...
hyperpsycho posted...
When they force you to split up the party

JUST


FF9 did this so many times and it annoyed the hell out of me.


on replays, i'm always annoyed by how long it takes until you actually can choose your party freely
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Kineth
04/13/17 6:54:15 PM
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Dusk-HD posted...
When you waste your fucking elixer and it turns out it was an unwinnable fight for plot reasons. Just kill me, you tossers.


XD This is one I haven't encountered in a long time, but yeah... those piss me off too.
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