Current Events > How much United Airlines stock should I currently buy?

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How many shares?

Trying to make dem GAINZ since this whole thing will blow over in two weeks!
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airlines as a whole are terrible investments
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Nubcake13 posted...

airlines as a whole are terrible investments

But its only a short term gain I'm trying to make
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The stock bounced back before the end of the day yesterday, it already blew over lmao
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

The stock bounced back before the end of the day yesterday, it already blew over lmao

cuz people don't give a fuck lol. that's great
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0 time to buy was yesterday
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And even if you did buy and sell at the peaks, you would have only made like 4% of your money. This was a non news story that #fakenews blew out of proportion again
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

And even if you did buy and sell at the peaks, you would have only made like 4% of your money. This was a non news story that #fakenews blew out of proportion again

trying to take all eyes off the syria bombing i guess
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https://m.imgur.com/Pq0aYfI?r
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

And even if you did buy and sell at the peaks, you would have only made like 4% of your money. This was a non news story that #fakenews blew out of proportion again

Nothing cements home an argument like using a hashtag in your statement.
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jenningsnash313 posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

And even if you did buy and sell at the peaks, you would have only made like 4% of your money. This was a non news story that #fakenews blew out of proportion again

Nothing cements home an argument like using a hashtag in your statement.

#truthinlife
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .
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It's pretty inconsequential
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

capital gains taxes make it basically no return lmao

meingott posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

capital gains taxes make it basically no return lmao

Lol how much do you think ST Capital gains rates are?
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SK8T3R215 posted...

meingott posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

capital gains taxes make it basically no return lmao

Lol how much do you think ST Capital gains rates are?

depends on whether or not you're trying to make a quick buck or if you're holding on to it long term. depends on your income tax bracket.

meingott posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

capital gains taxes make it basically no return lmao

that doesn't make any sense, do you even understand what you're saying?
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What happened with the airline?

meingott posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

meingott posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

capital gains taxes make it basically no return lmao

Lol how much do you think ST Capital gains rates are?

depends on whether or not you're trying to make a quick buck or if you're holding on to it long term. depends on your income tax bracket.

Exactly which would be like 20% or so for most people here. So you'll get like 3.2% instead of 4%.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

$400 after you risk putting $10,000 in there, and that is before tax, yeah totally worth it lmao
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SK8T3R215 posted...

meingott posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

meingott posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

capital gains taxes make it basically no return lmao

Lol how much do you think ST Capital gains rates are?

depends on whether or not you're trying to make a quick buck or if you're holding on to it long term. depends on your income tax bracket.

Exactly which would be like 20% or so for most people here. So you'll get like 3.2% instead of 4%.

which is barely any return.

meingott posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

meingott posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

meingott posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

you would have only made like 4% of your money.

You say it like 4% in a few days is a bad return . . .

capital gains taxes make it basically no return lmao

Lol how much do you think ST Capital gains rates are?

depends on whether or not you're trying to make a quick buck or if you're holding on to it long term. depends on your income tax bracket.

Exactly which would be like 20% or so for most people here. So you'll get like 3.2% instead of 4%.

which is barely any return.

Which is a good return for one day holdings, and your point was capital gains taxes would make it virtually breakeven which isn't close to being true.
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meingott posted...

which is barely any return.

What? A 4% return for a week holding is a 670% annual return.
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The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

which is barely any return.

What? A 4% return for a week holding is a 670% annual return.

lmao get real. no one here is going to make anywhere close to a consistent 4% return on day trading.
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meingott posted...

The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

which is barely any return.

What? A 4% return for a week holding is a 670% annual return.

lmao get real. no one here is going to make anywhere close to a consistent 4% return on day trading.

Okay? But that's still what a 4% weekly return equivalent is, so your point about it being "barely" anything is completely wrong.
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The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

which is barely any return.

What? A 4% return for a week holding is a 670% annual return.

lmao get real. no one here is going to make anywhere close to a consistent 4% return on day trading.

Okay? But that's still what a 4% weekly return equivalent is, so your point about it being "barely" anything is completely wrong.

Spoilers: he has no idea what he's talking about.
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The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

which is barely any return.

What? A 4% return for a week holding is a 670% annual return.

lmao get real. no one here is going to make anywhere close to a consistent 4% return on day trading.

Okay? But that's still what a 4% weekly return equivalent is, so your point about it being "barely" anything is completely wrong.

4% one time, before any taxes, given plenty of risk to lose your money because of day trading, is barely anything.
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meingott posted...

4% one time, before any taxes, given plenty of risk to lose your money because of day trading, is barely anything.

Barely anything... except the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a security that yielded a 670% annual return.
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The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

4% one time, before any taxes, given plenty of risk to lose your money because of day trading, is barely anything.

Barely anything... except the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a security that yielded a 670% annual return.

or the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a casino and got insanely lucky! same thing. dont pretend otherwise.
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meingott posted...

The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

4% one time, before any taxes, given plenty of risk to lose your money because of day trading, is barely anything.

Barely anything... except the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a security that yielded a 670% annual return.

or the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a casino and got insanely lucky! same thing. dont pretend otherwise.

So your argument now is a return that you described as "barely anything" is the same as the return from being "insanely lucky" at a casino?

Probably time to cut your losses on this one.
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The Admiral posted...

Barely anything... except the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a security that yielded a 670% annual return.

how are you getting that number? just curious
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organicbamf posted...

The Admiral posted...

Barely anything... except the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a security that yielded a 670% annual return.

how are you getting that number? just curious

4% weekly return over a 52 week year is 1.04^52-1. Pre-tax, of course.
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so you're not taking 4% to be nominal convertible weekly?
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organicbamf posted...

The Admiral posted...

Barely anything... except the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a security that yielded a 670% annual return.

how are you getting that number? just curious

(1.04^52) - 1 = ~6.69

that number as a percentage is 669%

I'll spot him the 1%
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organicbamf posted...

so you're not taking 4% to be nominal convertible weekly?

No, I'm assuming it's cumulative because that's how the return would work in a stock investment like United. The 4% you get next week is on the 4% higher stock value from this week.
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ah, ok. yeah i dunno how i have a B in my interest theory class atm
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organicbamf posted...

ah, ok. yeah i dunno how i have a B in my interest theory class atm

If you were distributing the return every week and just keep the principal invested, your annual return would still be 208% (4*52). In either mechanism, the "barely anything" remark is nowhere close to reality.
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The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

The Admiral posted...

meingott posted...

4% one time, before any taxes, given plenty of risk to lose your money because of day trading, is barely anything.

Barely anything... except the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a security that yielded a 670% annual return.

or the same return you'd get if you invested for a week in a casino and got insanely lucky! same thing. dont pretend otherwise.

So your argument now is a return that you described as "barely anything" is the same as the return from being "insanely lucky" at a casino?

Probably time to cut your losses on this one.

No, my argument is that it's gambling and that the 4% return is not worth the risk. The only way it's "worth" the risk is if you extrapolate out the ass based on an assumption that is completely impossible. You can't find a security giving you a 600% return, so that entire extrapolation is silly. It doesn't matter if "herp DERP it's like having invested for just a week in a security that gives you over 600% annually!11111"

That 4% is a decent return now that we know that the 4% was possible for that small window of time. But in the moment, these things are always a gamble. That's why day trading is ill advised for the vast majority of people, including the TC. 4% before tax is not worth that kind of volatility and risk. It's nowhere near a big enough return.
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The Admiral posted...

If you were distributing the return every week and just keep the principal invested, your annual return would still be 208% (4*52). In either mechanism, the "barely anything" remark is nowhere close to reality.

that's only if it were to give you a consistent 4% per week. which is insane. we both know it wouldn't. let's face it, the only reason you're arguing this case is because you work in the industry and make money off of the trade fees or some shit.
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if you invested 1000, you'd get $40 before taxes and fees.

if you invested 10,000 you're a fucking fool for gambling that kind of money and you'd have made a good deal less than $400 after taxes and fees, IF it went well.

"B-b-b-b-but it's like investing in a security that pumps 600% annually out the ass!1111111"
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presumably admiral is making the broader point that buying stocks that are down due to shitty recent news is a good idea

and he is correct in that point.
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Darkman124 posted...

presumably admiral is making the broader point that buying stocks that are down due to shitty recent news is a good idea

and he is correct in that point.

UAL is higher now than it was a week ago. buying stocks when they're low is great. but rushing into an airline stock because of less than a day of damage is stupid and incorrect, regardless of how big the return is when you extrapolate it out the ass.
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meingott posted...

The Admiral posted...

If you were distributing the return every week and just keep the principal invested, your annual return would still be 208% (4*52). In either mechanism, the "barely anything" remark is nowhere close to reality.

that's only if it were to give you a consistent 4% per week. which is insane. we both know it wouldn't. let's face it, the only reason you're arguing this case is because you work in the industry and make money off of the trade fees or some shit.

No, I'm arguing because you don't understand basic finance. If you tell a hedge fund trader that he'll make a 4% return on his equity trades next week, he'll be ecstatic.

I'm not commenting specifically on UAL at all (I actually don't think it's a good buy), simply on the fallacious way you are viewing returns. A 4% weekly return from anything is amazing, and you should take it anytime you can get it with acceptable risk.
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So this is what your modern playstation ebay flipper does. Scours the news all day for a chance at a 400 dollar flip, when you could have made 3 times that doing something legitimately for income.

This pool hall market player bit isn't how real money is made in the market. All of those options are unavailable to you. The only reason you're allowed to make your 3.2% profit is in the event that they need a fall guy to dump their losses onto.

That would be you, wal street hero.
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The Admiral posted...

No, I'm arguing because you don't understand basic finance. If you tell a hedge fund trader that he'll make a 4% return on his equity trades next week, he'll be ecstatic.

I'm not commenting specifically on UAL at all (I actually don't think it's a good buy), simply on the fallacious way you are viewing returns. A 4% weekly return from anything is amazing, and you should take it anytime you can get it with acceptable risk.

it's not acceptable risk. the hedge fund trader would be ecstatic if it was a guaranteed 4% return. this type of trading you're talking about has a huge risk with it. that's why you don't see hedge funds rushing to buy UAL.
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benjjjamin posted...

So this is what your modern playstation ebay flipper does. Scours the news all day for a chance at a 400 dollar flip, when you could have made 3 times that doing something legitimately for income.

This pool hall market player bit isn't how real money is made in the market. All of those options are unavailable to you. The only reason you're allowed to make your 3.2% profit is in the event that they need a fall guy to dump their losses onto.

That would be you, wal street hero.

exactly.
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meingott, you're leaving out a lot of your hypotheses and backpedaling.

When you say a 4% weekly return "isn't a good return", what you actually mean is "Dumping a lot of money based on a news story for just the potential of a 4% return in a week is overall not worth the risk".


But earlier you claimed "After capital gains tax, it's not very much". Which implies that if it were 4% it would be fine, but cutting it down to 3.2% makes it unreasonable. If you thought 4% wasn't worth it, who gives a **** about the capital gains tax?
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Anteaterking posted...

meingott, you're leaving out a lot of your hypotheses and backpedaling.

When you say a 4% weekly return "isn't a good return", what you actually mean is "Dumping a lot of money based on a news story for just the potential of a 4% return in a week is overall not worth the risk".


But earlier you claimed "After capital gains tax, it's not very much". Which implies that if it were 4% it would be fine, but cutting it down to 3.2% makes it unreasonable. If you thought 4% wasn't worth it, who gives a **** about the capital gains tax?

4% guaranteed weekly is amazing. TC's attempt at day trading because of a measly 4% one-time deal is not.
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