Current Events > FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-obtained-fisa-warrant-to-monitor-former-trump-adviser-carter-page/2017/04/11/620192ea-1e0e-11e7-ad74-3a742a6e93a7_story.html

The FBI obtained a secret court order last summer to monitor the communications of an adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, part of an investigation into possible links between Russia and the campaign, law enforcement and other U.S. officials said.

The FBI and the Justice Department obtained the warrant targeting Carter Page’s communications after convincing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, in this case Russia, according to the officials.

Three years before Page became an adviser to the Trump campaign, he came to the attention of FBI counterintelligence agents, who learned that Russian spy suspects had sought to use Page as a source for information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-wnDYVVZ1o
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Doom_Art posted...

Three years before Page became an adviser to the Trump campaign

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ChromaticAngel posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Three years before Page became an adviser to the Trump campaign

That's when he first came to the attention of the FBI.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Three years before Page became an adviser to the Trump campaign

"Out of off all the members of Trump's team with sketchy ties to Russia, this one's different!"
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I'm sorry, is there really a problem if the current administration is friendly with Russia? What POSSIBLE BAD could come out of stronger, more positive Russo-American ties?
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Crazyman93 posted...

I'm sorry, is there really a problem if the current administration is friendly with Russia? What POSSIBLE BAD could come out of stronger, more positive Russo-American ties?

mostly because its quite illegal for private citizens to negotiate with foreign government agents.
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So they didn't find anything or it would have been revealed before the election. What useless news.
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voldothegr8 posted...

So they didn't find anything or it would have been revealed before the election. What useless news.

How long did the Nixon investigation take?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Three years before Page became an adviser to the Trump campaign

Why does that matter to you? If he truly has those connections wouldn't he be a pretty good guy for Trump to align himself with? someone with experience with Russia?

monkmith posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

I'm sorry, is there really a problem if the current administration is friendly with Russia? What POSSIBLE BAD could come out of stronger, more positive Russo-American ties?

mostly because its quite illegal for private citizens to negotiate with foreign government agents.

Answer the second question please. Oh right, nothing bad could happen because the only people that think it's a bad thing are going "MUH COLD WAR PROPAGANDA!"
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Crazyman93 posted...

monkmith posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

I'm sorry, is there really a problem if the current administration is friendly with Russia? What POSSIBLE BAD could come out of stronger, more positive Russo-American ties?

mostly because its quite illegal for private citizens to negotiate with foreign government agents.

Answer the second question please. Oh right, nothing bad could happen because the only people that think it's a bad thing are going "MUH COLD WAR PROPAGANDA!"

i dont debate with crazy people, only pointing out why its potentially illegal.
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monkmith posted...

i dont debate with crazy people, only pointing out why its potentially illegal.

And if nothing illegal transpired?
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Crazyman93 posted...

monkmith posted...

i dont debate with crazy people, only pointing out why its potentially illegal.

And if nothing illegal transpired?

well that will come out, was that ever up for debate?
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Crazyman93 posted...

I'm sorry, is there really a problem if the current administration is friendly with Russia? What POSSIBLE BAD could come out of stronger, more positive Russo-American ties?

Theatricality and deflection
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TheVipaGTS posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Three years before Page became an adviser to the Trump campaign

Why does that matter to you? If he truly has those connections wouldn't he be a pretty good guy for Trump to align himself with? someone with experience with Russia?

Someone known for collaborating with Russian spies as an information sponge? Yes, that's a problem.
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Crazyman93 posted...

Answer the second question please. Oh right, nothing bad could happen because the only people that think it's a bad thing are going "MUH COLD WAR PROPAGANDA!"

We've tried being friends with Russia multiple times. It's never worked out.

They're not our friend, they're not our ally, and if we try to cozy up to them we're just going to end up with a knife in our back again.



Also, outside of all that, if Russia went to these lengths to recruit and direct people in Trump's campaign/administration and affect the course of the election, I'd seriously question their motives. As should you. The important questions we need answered are "how" and "why".
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Doom_Art posted...

They're not our friend, they're not our ally, and if we try to cozy up to them we're just going to end up with a knife in our back again.

"MUH COLD WAR!"
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Crazyman93 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

They're not our friend, they're not our ally, and if we try to cozy up to them we're just going to end up with a knife in our back again.

"MUH COLD WAR!"

He's not wrong.

Romney tried to warn you
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We're not "not allies" with Russia because of the Cold War. We've imposed sanctions and the like on them in the 21st century for things that they've done in the 21st century.

Stronger Russo-American ties aren't inherently a good thing if they aren't accompanied by policy changes in Russia.
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Anteaterking posted...

We've imposed sanctions and the like on them in the 21st century

because that's all our weak spined president was willing to do and Russia damn well knew it.
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I also like to point out FISA warrants are easy as fuck to get. Cause a judge may not have clearance all they basically need to say is it's in the best interest of national security and there ya go.
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Crazyman93 posted...

because that's all our weak spined president was willing to do

So we should have done more?

I don't understand how your argument leads to the conclusion "Russia should be our friend".
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Anteaterking posted...

So we should have done more?

He shouldn't have wrote checks he couldn't cash. And better relations with Russia is a good thing. Our enemies are lunatics that think blowing themselves up gets them to heaven, not other countries.
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Before:

Carter Page speaks out about campaign infighting.

Trump team: Carter Page was never prominent to the campaign, he never came near Trump!

After:

FBI monitored Carter Page

Trumpanzees: See! Trump was spied on by Obama Hussein!!

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Crazyman93 posted...

Anteaterking posted...

So we should have done more?

He shouldn't have wrote checks he couldn't cash. And better relations with Russia is a good thing. Our enemies are lunatics that think blowing themselves up gets them to heaven, not other countries.

That's a lazy way of looking at the world.

i'm gonna quote Romney again:

Mitt Romney called Russia “without question our number one geopolitical foe”

Romney’s comments came in the context of President Barack Obama’s “hot mic” moment with Russian President Dimitri Medvedev Monday after a meeting in Seoul. Obama was heard telling Medvedev he would have “more flexibility” on missile defense after the presidential election.

“This is without question our number one geopolitical foe, they fight for every cause for the world’s worst actors. The idea that he has more flexibility in mind for Russia is very, very troubling indeed,” Romney said.

Wolf Blitzer asked if he thought Russia was a bigger foe than Iran, China or North Korea.

“I’m saying in terms of a geopolitical opponent, the nation which lines up with the world’s worst actors,” said Romney. “Of course the greatest threat that the world faces is a nuclear Iran and a nuclear North Korea is already troubling enough.”

“But when these terrible actors pursue their course in the world and we go to the United Nations looking for ways to stop them; when [Syrian President Bashir al-] Assad for instance is murdering his own people we go to the United Nations and who is it that always stands up with the world’s worst actors, it’s always Russia, typically with China alongside,” he continued. “And so in terms of a geopolitical foe, a nation that’s on the Security Council ... and is of course is a massive nuclear power, Russia is the geopolitical foe.”

Romney has consistently criticized Obama over his policy of “resetting” relations with Russia after the two countries’ relations reached a nadir in August 2008, at the end of the Bush administration and after the Russia-Georgia War..

And low and behold. All these years later and Assad used chemical weapons on innocent people (Violating the US agreeent with Russia) and now we're firing missiles at them
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Gojak_v3 posted...

I also like to point out FISA warrants are easy as fuck to get.

That's actually quite untrue.

Particularly post-Watergate.

Especially during an election

Like what
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Crazyman93 posted...

I'm sorry, is there really a problem if the current administration is friendly with Russia? What POSSIBLE BAD could come out of stronger, more positive Russo-American ties?

Russia is a bad country and we have absolutely nothing to gain strategically from being allies with them.

Doom_Art posted...

Gojak_v3 posted...

I also like to point out FISA warrants are easy as fuck to get.

That's actually quite untrue.

Particularly post-Watergate.

Especially during an election

Like what

Facts don't matter in Trump's America.
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Iodine posted...

Facts don't matter in Trump's America.

That lie I've actually encountered quite a bit. FISA warrants are a bitch to get, especially on a member of a political campaign during a fucking election year. Like jeez.

That repeated lie, combined with how every day all the Trumpers are "well this is case closed on Russia!" makes me rather worried for them.

It's like they think that because they say or imagine it, that means it'll come true.
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Doom_Art posted...

Iodine posted...

Facts don't matter in Trump's America.

That lie I've actually encountered quite a bit. FISA warrants are a bitch to get, especially on a member of a political campaign during a fucking election year. Like jeez.

That repeated lie, combined with how every day all the Trumpers are "well this is case closed on Russia!" makes me rather worried for them.

It's like they think that because they say or imagine it, that means it'll come true.

It makes you worried for THEM? It makes me worried for everyone. These people are dragging the rest of us back fifty years.

Doom_Art posted...

Iodine posted...

Facts don't matter in Trump's America.

That lie I've actually encountered quite a bit. FISA warrants are a b**** to get, especially on a member of a political campaign during a f***ing election year. Like jeez.

That repeated lie, combined with how every day all the Trumpers are "well this is case closed on Russia!" makes me rather worried for them.

It's like they think that because they say or imagine it, that means it'll come true.

All I've ever read about the matter is that the FISA courts are essentially just a rubber stamp and they deny very few warrant requests.
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Hexenherz posted...

It makes you worried for THEM?

Yes. That sort of delusional behavior is unhealthy.

3rd_Best_Master posted...

All I've ever read about the matter is that the FISA courts are essentially just a rubber stamp and they deny very few warrant requests.

Eh, the bar is fairly high most of the time. You can't just waltz up and ask for a warrant. There's several layers of review and approval you gotta go through.
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