Current Events > SERIOUS question, how do you feel about anarchists?

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BoobsAreMurder 04/11/17 6:53:11 PM #1:	Not like the tea part, people who believe in no state and no capitalism? People like David Graeber? Do you respect them? Despise them? View them as naive? Hope they move the world a little to the left? I want to hear CE's opinion on the modern anarchist movement, and your views on various kinds of anarchists. --- Kamala Harris 2020 <cite>BoobsAreMurder posted [p:877006851] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>Not like the tea part, people who believe in no state and no capitalism? People like David Graeber? Do you respect them? Despise them? View them as naive? Hope they move the world a little to the left? I want to hear CE's opinion on the modern anarchist movement, and your views on various kinds of anarchists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 04/11/17 6:56:42 PM #2:	I've never met one and thought they were intelligent afterwards. --- http://i.imgur.com/O3syCWD.gif http://i.imgur.com/k3YiBdG.gif <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:877007069] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>I've never met one and thought they were intelligent afterwards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 04/11/17 6:57:07 PM #3:	They advocate a better model of government than what we have in place atm. --- http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/06/pr0gramm-n4gjfl.gif http://churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/batman-mario-2-key.gif <cite>Kineth posted [p:877007094] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>They advocate a better model of government than what we have in place atm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chill02 04/11/17 6:58:09 PM #5:	just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider? --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:877007165] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I_hate_bacon 04/11/17 6:58:46 PM #6:	I love em --- http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1z7nodkEV1qb4enoo1_500.gif <cite>I_hate_bacon posted [p:877007199] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>I love em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Edgemaster97 04/11/17 6:59:45 PM #7:	I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time. --- http://i.imgur.com/nVtygiY.gif http://i.imgur.com/OBTh1yR.gif http://i.imgur.com/IqvBLaj.gif http://i.imgur.com/YDMcpBv.gif <cite>Edgemaster97 posted [p:877007269] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoobsAreMurder 04/11/17 7:02:14 PM #8:	chill02 posted... just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider? Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it. --- Kamala Harris 2020 <cite>BoobsAreMurder posted [p:877007455] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider?</quote> Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 04/11/17 7:03:10 PM #9:	entirely depends on what they do. are we talking about the kind that just sit around and talk random nonsense about no-governemt stuff, or the kind that actively sabotage government stuff and activity? --- http://i.imgur.com/cUNC8DI.jpg <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:877007516] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>entirely depends on what they do. are we talking about the kind that just sit around and talk random nonsense about no-governemt stuff, or the kind that actively sabotage government stuff and activity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chill02 04/11/17 7:10:42 PM #11:	BoobsAreMurder posted... chill02 posted... just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider? Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it. >_> that's not what I asked --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:877008007] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>BoobsAreMurder posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider?</quote> Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it.</quote> >_> that's not what I asked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire810 04/11/17 7:11:44 PM #12:	shockthemonkey posted... Edgemaster97 posted... I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time. Why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs --- "This weapon, I am." - Paul Atreides <cite>fire810 posted [p:877008079] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote>I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time.</quote> Why?</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoobsAreMurder 04/11/17 7:13:07 PM #13:	chill02 posted... BoobsAreMurder posted... chill02 posted... just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider? Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it. >_> that's not what I asked There is literally no philosophical form of anarchism where everyone just turns into a raider. --- Kamala Harris 2020 <cite>BoobsAreMurder posted [p:877008156] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BoobsAreMurder posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider?</quote> Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it.</quote> >_> that's not what I asked</quote> There is literally no philosophical form of anarchism where everyone just turns into a raider.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlashOfLight 04/11/17 7:14:08 PM #14:	I believe they are tremendously misguided but otherwise have their heart in the right place. Actually, I should clarify that - some have their hearts in the right place, those who see problems with how governments handle things and how things turn out in relation to the people. However, not the ones who are violent degenerates who get into the cause because they think it's cool, basically as another fad way of rebelling against their parents, social structure, and the government as another form of Black Metal philosophy. --- Proving Mr. Tennyson, proving, that of the two of us, you are by far the more substantial. https://www.scribd.com/document/340746101/Arguments <cite>FlashOfLight posted [p:877008235] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>I believe they are tremendously misguided but otherwise have their heart in the right place. Actually, I should clarify that - some have their hearts in the right place, those who see problems with how governments handle things and how things turn out in relation to the people. However, not the ones who are violent degenerates who get into the cause because they think it's cool, basically as another fad way of rebelling against their parents, social structure, and the government as another form of Black Metal philosophy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 04/11/17 7:15:33 PM #15:	BoobsAreMurder posted... chill02 posted... BoobsAreMurder posted... chill02 posted... just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider? Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it. >_> that's not what I asked There is literally no philosophical form of anarchism where everyone just turns into a raider. So the former? --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:877008328] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>BoobsAreMurder posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BoobsAreMurder posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>just to make sure, are we defining anarchy as total absence of government or as a mad max style post-apocalyptic scenario where everyone just turns into a raider?</quote> Not really. I've read Chomsky on anarchism and he basically defines himself as an anarchist. A lot of smart people are anarchists and just view it as a different political view. There are also a lot of dumb brainwashed kids who are anarchists too so take what you will from it.</quote> >_> that's not what I asked</quote> There is literally no philosophical form of anarchism where everyone just turns into a raider.</quote> So the former?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 04/11/17 7:17:15 PM #16:	I used to think like that. Of course, now I appreciate the infrastructure and specialization afforded to us by having some sort of organized oversight committee. That being said, I still generally place in the center of the bottom left square of the four quadrant political compass. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:877008450] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>I used to think like that. Of course, now I appreciate the infrastructure and specialization afforded to us by having some sort of organized oversight committee. That being said, I still generally place in the center of the bottom left square of the four quadrant political compass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/11/17 7:20:25 PM #17:	They're great --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877008646] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>They're great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sinroth 04/11/17 7:30:28 PM #18:	For the longest time I thought anarchism meant "no political structure" but it is a lot more nuanced and I became more sympathetic to the ideas after a bit of reading. I still think the best form of government would be some kind of anarcho syndicalism but I'm skeptical as to its practicality. --- I live in a big house and it's handy to have a pair of running shoes so that it doesn't take me forever to get from one area of the house to another. <cite>Sinroth posted [p:877009308] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>For the longest time I thought anarchism meant "no political structure" but it is a lot more nuanced and I became more sympathetic to the ideas after a bit of reading. I still think the best form of government would be some kind of anarcho syndicalism but I'm skeptical as to its practicality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 04/11/17 7:48:24 PM #20:	The double anarchy was a pretty sweet SMG in borderlands. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:877010446] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>The double anarchy was a pretty sweet SMG in borderlands.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Edgemaster97 04/11/17 7:49:40 PM #21:	shockthemonkey posted... Edgemaster97 posted... I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time. Why? As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body? --- http://i.imgur.com/nVtygiY.gif http://i.imgur.com/OBTh1yR.gif http://i.imgur.com/IqvBLaj.gif http://i.imgur.com/YDMcpBv.gif <cite>Edgemaster97 posted [p:877010523] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote>I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time.</quote> Why?</quote> As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoobsAreMurder 04/11/17 7:50:41 PM #22:	Edgemaster97 posted... shockthemonkey posted... Edgemaster97 posted... I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time. Why? As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body? in theory, collective action would stop this, at least according to some anarchists. --- Kamala Harris 2020 <cite>BoobsAreMurder posted [p:877010580] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote>I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time.</quote> Why?</quote> As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body?</quote> in theory, collective action would stop this, at least according to some anarchists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 04/11/17 7:51:13 PM #23:	Idiotic teenagers who are shockingly naive about the nature of humanity. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:877010617] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>Idiotic teenagers who are shockingly naive about the nature of humanity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Edgemaster97 04/11/17 7:51:44 PM #24:	BoobsAreMurder posted... Edgemaster97 posted... shockthemonkey posted... Edgemaster97 posted... I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time. Why? As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body? in theory, collective action would stop this, at least according to some anarchists. Then wouldn't that be collectivist democratic rule? --- http://i.imgur.com/nVtygiY.gif http://i.imgur.com/OBTh1yR.gif http://i.imgur.com/IqvBLaj.gif http://i.imgur.com/YDMcpBv.gif <cite>Edgemaster97 posted [p:877010646] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>BoobsAreMurder posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote>I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time.</quote> Why?</quote> As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body?</quote> in theory, collective action would stop this, at least according to some anarchists.</quote> Then wouldn't that be collectivist democratic rule?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoobsAreMurder 04/11/17 7:52:49 PM #25:	Edgemaster97 posted... BoobsAreMurder posted... Edgemaster97 posted... shockthemonkey posted... Edgemaster97 posted... I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time. Why? As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body? in theory, collective action would stop this, at least according to some anarchists. Then wouldn't that be collectivist democratic rule? Who says anarchism can't be collectivist and democratic? --- Kamala Harris 2020 <cite>BoobsAreMurder posted [p:877010710] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BoobsAreMurder posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Edgemaster97 posted...</cite> <quote>I have trouble comprehending how an anarchy can be sustained over a period of time.</quote> Why?</quote> As soon as one person has more resources than another person, how can that person be stopped from using those resources to leverage power, essentially becoming a rudimentary governing body?</quote> in theory, collective action would stop this, at least according to some anarchists.</quote> Then wouldn't that be collectivist democratic rule?</quote> Who says anarchism can't be collectivist and democratic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keith_Valentine 04/11/17 7:54:02 PM #26:	In a state of anarchy, someone will rise up, above the rest, and seize power over the weak. While also drawing others to his side. There will always be some form of ruler, it's the nature of Man and animals. And humans out of civilization are animals, and that's how they act. Many of them will seek to take from you <cite>Keith_Valentine posted [p:877010779] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>In a state of anarchy, someone will rise up, above the rest, and seize power over the weak. While also drawing others to his side. There will always be some form of ruler, it's the nature of Man and animals. And humans out of civilization are animals, and that's how they act. Many of them will seek to take from you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/11/17 7:55:06 PM #27:	Human nature is not as ugly as you assume --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877010844] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>Human nature is not as ugly as you assume</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keith_Valentine 04/11/17 7:56:55 PM #28:	Antifar posted... Human nature is not as ugly as you assume Yes it is. You are a sheltered suburbanite <cite>Keith_Valentine posted [p:877010948] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Human nature is not as ugly as you assume</quote> Yes it is. You are a sheltered suburbanite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balkov 04/11/17 7:57:16 PM #29:	It must be exhausting. <cite>Balkov posted [p:877010968] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>It must be exhausting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 04/11/17 7:58:07 PM #30:	Antifar posted... Human nature is not as ugly as you assume I'd argue that the entire history of our species proves otherwise. Civilization has been trending towards equality and nonviolence in most of the world, but talking about, for example, how we should have no police force and communities should all police themselves is just asinine and foolish. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:877011016] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Human nature is not as ugly as you assume</quote> I'd argue that the entire history of our species proves otherwise. Civilization has been trending towards equality and nonviolence in most of the world, but talking about, for example, how we should have no police force and communities should all police themselves is just asinine and foolish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sinroth 04/11/17 8:01:13 PM #32:	Keith_Valentine posted... Antifar posted... Human nature is not as ugly as you assume Yes it is. You are a sheltered suburbanite Heh.... Nothing personnel, kid....... --- I live in a big house and it's handy to have a pair of running shoes so that it doesn't take me forever to get from one area of the house to another. <cite>Sinroth posted [p:877011201] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>Keith_Valentine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Human nature is not as ugly as you assume</quote> Yes it is. You are a sheltered suburbanite</quote> Heh.... Nothing personnel, kid.......</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 04/11/17 8:02:41 PM #33:	i ask them if they'd willingly live in whatever african nation is having a civil war at the time. --- People die when they are killed. Among horse, Red Hare. Among men, Lu Bu. <cite>monkmith posted [p:877011299] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>i ask them if they'd willingly live in whatever african nation is having a civil war at the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sinroth 04/11/17 8:07:14 PM #35:	monkmith posted... i ask them if they'd willingly live in whatever african nation is having a civil war at the time. Why not Catalonia or any other number of communes that existed until some external force violently suppressed it? --- I live in a big house and it's handy to have a pair of running shoes so that it doesn't take me forever to get from one area of the house to another. <cite>Sinroth posted [p:877011602] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>i ask them if they'd willingly live in whatever african nation is having a civil war at the time.</quote> Why not Catalonia or any other number of communes that existed until some external force violently suppressed it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bevan306 04/11/17 8:09:34 PM #36:	depends. Bit of a difference between your rebellious teen and noam fucking chomsky --- http://rateyourmusic.com/~bevan http://i.imgur.com/5Ta28.jpg <cite>bevan306 posted [p:877011766] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>depends. Bit of a difference between your rebellious teen and noam fucking chomsky</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/11/17 8:10:44 PM #37:	Sinroth posted... monkmith posted... i ask them if they'd willingly live in whatever african nation is having a civil war at the time. Why not Catalonia or any other number of communes that existed until some external force violently suppressed it? I like the cut of your jib --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877011846] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>i ask them if they'd willingly live in whatever african nation is having a civil war at the time.</quote> Why not Catalonia or any other number of communes that existed until some external force violently suppressed it?</quote> I like the cut of your jib</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiesMortis 04/11/17 8:12:46 PM #38:	Anarcho-syndicalism is great. I just read a manifesto on it, damn good ideas. --- Maledicte \| http://www.last.fm/user/chaosinferno "So sleep, sister sleep, and dream, me broken at your feet." <cite>DiesMortis posted [p:877011977] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>Anarcho-syndicalism is great. I just read a manifesto on it, damn good ideas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blusalina 04/11/17 9:08:51 PM #39:	Probably the most insane group of people I've ever heard of. Fortunately for the entire world, they're the 0.01%. Just imagine a lawless country and how everything would go downhill from there. --- We gotta give life love and make it fun! There are dreams that'll never be done. <cite>Blusalina posted [p:877015788] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote>Probably the most insane group of people I've ever heard of. Fortunately for the entire world, they're the 0.01%. Just imagine a lawless country and how everything would go downhill from there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 04/11/17 9:12:40 PM #40:	DiesMortis posted... Anarcho-syndicalism is great. I just read a manifesto on it, damn good ideas. Sounds interesting --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:877016063] in SERIOUS qu... [t:75226417]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiesMortis posted...</cite> <quote>Anarcho-syndicalism is great. I just read a manifesto on it, damn good ideas.</quote> Sounds interesting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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