Current Events > Dept of Housing & Urban Planning made ~$520 billion in mistakes under Obama

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Logos 04/10/17 10:40:49 PM #1:	http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/10/watchdog-calls-out-hud-for-500b-plus-in-accounting-errors.html --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876952810] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/10/watchdog-calls-out-hud-for-500b-plus-in-accounting-errors.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 10:48:30 PM #2:	@Antifar @hockeybub89 Maybe if we give them more money and more power, they'll get their shit together? --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876953340] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>@Antifar @hockeybub89 Maybe if we give them more money and more power, they'll get their shit together?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/10/17 10:48:45 PM #3:	Interesting. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:876953364] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>Interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gojak_v3 04/10/17 10:49:05 PM #5:	What's half a trillion for progress? --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:876953384] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>What's half a trillion for progress?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 10:49:25 PM #6:	M_Live posted... Logos posted... http://www.foxnews Are you saying they're making it up? --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876953412] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.foxnews</quote></quote> Are you saying they're making it up?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jenningsnash313 04/10/17 10:49:35 PM #7:	Lol Fox News. --- For all your gaming pleasures: http://www.youtube.com/user/thismikeplaysgames Currently Playing: Majora's Mask, Final Fantasy XIII, Shadow of Mordor <cite>jenningsnash313 posted [p:876953427] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>Lol Fox News.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/10/17 10:50:18 PM #8:	Guys the source is legit. This is the site that Fox News referenced: https://www.hudoig.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017-FO-0005.pdf --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:876953484] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>Guys the source is legit. This is the site that Fox News referenced: https://www.hudoig.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017-FO-0005.pdf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 10:51:17 PM #10:	Iodine posted... Guys the source is legit. This is the site that Fox News referenced: https://www.hudoig.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017-FO-0005.pdf You should've waited longer to see which other CEmen are complete clowns. I bet VipaGTS and CruelBuffalo would've come in here laughing at Fox News without actually reading it. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876953537] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iodine posted...</cite> <quote>Guys the source is legit. This is the site that Fox News referenced: https://www.hudoig.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017-FO-0005.pdf</quote> You should've waited longer to see which other CEmen are complete clowns. I bet VipaGTS and CruelBuffalo would've come in here laughing at Fox News without actually reading it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 04/10/17 10:51:33 PM #11:	https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:876953560] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/10/17 10:51:42 PM #12:	https://www.hudoig.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017-FO-0005.pdf Here is the report so all you trolls can't try to deflect, "lol fox news" --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:876953574] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>https://www.hudoig.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2017-FO-0005.pdf Here is the report so all you trolls can't try to deflect, "lol fox news"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/10/17 10:54:44 PM #13:	emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ Woa this is really interesting. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:876953765] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/</quote> Woa this is really interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 04/10/17 10:56:15 PM #15:	emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ From what I gathered, $520 billion is the added total of the absolute value of all mistakes. Meaning that it be as large as losing out of $520 billion to gaining $520 billion. Or even that all the mistakes cancelled each other out for a total of $0 lost. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:876953858] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/</quote> From what I gathered, $520 billion is the added total of the absolute value of all mistakes. Meaning that it be as large as losing out of $520 billion to gaining $520 billion. Or even that all the mistakes cancelled each other out for a total of $0 lost.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 04/10/17 10:59:10 PM #16:	From that same reddit link, " It's a little vague. If you do a search through the document for the value "$516.4 billion" it appears only a few times and interestingly with this context reported correctly by FHA. In total, the absolute values of corrections to HUDÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s notes and principle financial statements were approximately $516.4 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively. So what does that mean, "absolute value?" It means no matter if it is a positive or negative number you treat both as a positive number. \|-5\| = 5 Example: if you mis-categorized something as $5 in popsicles and it should have been $5 in lollipops then you have to subtract $5 from one and add $5 to the other. The absolute value of the corrections there is now $10. OMG! Double the outrage! (ignoring that the resultant change with these corrections is $0) So do they detail what the adjustments are? No. Do they say they are confident of the numbers? No and the statement was that that there was too much information to delve into it in time. But here's the telling part. There are 122 pages of attachments and when you get into them you find this quote Ã¢â‚¬Overall, the combined adjustments to the consolidated financial statements resulted in a net adjustment of $3 million, but no changes in HUDÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s financial position or impact to our programs.Ã¢â‚¬ " --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:876954043] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>From that same reddit link, " It's a little vague. If you do a search through the document for the value "$516.4 billion" it appears only a few times and interestingly with this context reported correctly by FHA. In total, the absolute values of corrections to HUDÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s notes and principle financial statements were approximately $516.4 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively. So what does that mean, "absolute value?" It means no matter if it is a positive or negative number you treat both as a positive number. \|-5\| = 5 Example: if you mis-categorized something as $5 in popsicles and it should have been $5 in lollipops then you have to subtract $5 from one and add $5 to the other. The absolute value of the corrections there is now $10. OMG! Double the outrage! (ignoring that the resultant change with these corrections is $0) So do they detail what the adjustments are? No. Do they say they are confident of the numbers? No and the statement was that that there was too much information to delve into it in time. But here's the telling part. There are 122 pages of attachments and when you get into them you find this quote Ã¢â‚¬Overall, the combined adjustments to the consolidated financial statements resulted in a net adjustment of $3 million, but no changes in HUDÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s financial position or impact to our programs.Ã¢â‚¬ "</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:00:15 PM #17:	@emblem_boy are you really looking to repost reddit comments? someone could just copy and paste the response to that. that doesn't change the fact that this is a massive issue. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876954112] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>@emblem_boy are you really looking to repost reddit comments? someone could just copy and paste the response to that. that doesn't change the fact that this is a massive issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 04/10/17 11:01:22 PM #18:	Logos posted... @emblem_boy are you really looking to repost reddit comments? someone could just copy and paste the response to that. that doesn't change the fact that this is a massive issue. It is an issue, I'm not disagreeing with that. Just pointing out other information --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:876954179] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote>@emblem_boy are you really looking to repost reddit comments? someone could just copy and paste the response to that. that doesn't change the fact that this is a massive issue.</quote> It is an issue, I'm not disagreeing with that. Just pointing out other information</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/10/17 11:02:25 PM #19:	Logos posted... @emblem_boy are you really looking to repost reddit comments? someone could just copy and paste the response to that. that doesn't change the fact that this is a massive issue. Well this part: “Overall, the combined adjustments to the consolidated financial statements resulted in a net adjustment of $3 million, but no changes in HUD’s financial position or impact to our programs.” Is straight from the .gov site that was linked to earlier. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:876954244] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote>@emblem_boy are you really looking to repost reddit comments? someone could just copy and paste the response to that. that doesn't change the fact that this is a massive issue.</quote> Well this part: “Overall, the combined adjustments to the consolidated financial statements resulted in a net adjustment of $3 million, but no changes in HUD’s financial position or impact to our programs.” Is straight from the .gov site that was linked to earlier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Complete_Idi0t 04/10/17 11:03:03 PM #20:	Good thing no mistakes will be made under the watchful eye of Ben Carson <cite>Complete_Idi0t posted [p:876954276] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>Good thing no mistakes will be made under the watchful eye of Ben Carson</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:07:01 PM #21:	emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876954526] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/</quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 04/10/17 11:08:15 PM #22:	The total amounts of errors corrected in HUD’s notes and consolidated financial statements were $516.4 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively. There were several other unresolved audit matters, which restricted our ability to obtain sufficient, appropriate evidence to express an opinion. These unresolved audit matters relate to (1) the Office of General Counsel’s refusal to sign the management representation letter, (2) HUD’s improper use of cumulative and first-in, first-out budgetary accounting methods of disbursing community planning and development program funds, (3) the $4.2 billion in nonpooled loan assets from Ginnie Mae’s stand-alone financial statements that we could not audit due to inadequate support, (4) the improper accounting for certain HUD assets and liabilities, and (5) material differences between HUD’s subledger and general ledger accounts. This audit report contains 11 material weaknesses, 7 significant deficiencies, and 5 instances of noncompliance with applicable laws and regulations. That's pretty bad for an audit. --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:876954580] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>The total amounts of errors corrected in HUD’s notes and consolidated financial statements were $516.4 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively. There were several other unresolved audit matters, which restricted our ability to obtain sufficient, appropriate evidence to express an opinion. These unresolved audit matters relate to (1) the Office of General Counsel’s refusal to sign the management representation letter, (2) HUD’s improper use of cumulative and first-in, first-out budgetary accounting methods of disbursing community planning and development program funds, (3) the $4.2 billion in nonpooled loan assets from Ginnie Mae’s stand-alone financial statements that we could not audit due to inadequate support, (4) the improper accounting for certain HUD assets and liabilities, and (5) material differences between HUD’s subledger and general ledger accounts. This audit report contains 11 material weaknesses, 7 significant deficiencies, and 5 instances of noncompliance with applicable laws and regulations. That's pretty bad for an audit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:08:20 PM #23:	3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876954585] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/</quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president?</quote> The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 04/10/17 11:08:45 PM #24:	Logos posted... Maybe if we give them more money and more power, they'll get their shit together? I mean, that's how liberals tried to fix health care. And how they handle gun control. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:876954605] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe if we give them more money and more power, they'll get their shit together?</quote> I mean, that's how liberals tried to fix health care. And how they handle gun control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:08:49 PM #25:	SK8T3R215 posted... The total amounts of errors corrected in HUD’s notes and consolidated financial statements were $516.4 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively. There were several other unresolved audit matters, which restricted our ability to obtain sufficient, appropriate evidence to express an opinion. These unresolved audit matters relate to (1) the Office of General Counsel’s refusal to sign the management representation letter, (2) HUD’s improper use of cumulative and first-in, first-out budgetary accounting methods of disbursing community planning and development program funds, (3) the $4.2 billion in nonpooled loan assets from Ginnie Mae’s stand-alone financial statements that we could not audit due to inadequate support, (4) the improper accounting for certain HUD assets and liabilities, and (5) material differences between HUD’s subledger and general ledger accounts. This audit report contains 11 material weaknesses, 7 significant deficiencies, and 5 instances of noncompliance with applicable laws and regulations. That's pretty bad for an audit. Let's give them more money! Increase taxes to solve the problem! --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876954610] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>The total amounts of errors corrected in HUD’s notes and consolidated financial statements were $516.4 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively. There were several other unresolved audit matters, which restricted our ability to obtain sufficient, appropriate evidence to express an opinion. These unresolved audit matters relate to (1) the Office of General Counsel’s refusal to sign the management representation letter, (2) HUD’s improper use of cumulative and first-in, first-out budgetary accounting methods of disbursing community planning and development program funds, (3) the $4.2 billion in nonpooled loan assets from Ginnie Mae’s stand-alone financial statements that we could not audit due to inadequate support, (4) the improper accounting for certain HUD assets and liabilities, and (5) material differences between HUD’s subledger and general ledger accounts. This audit report contains 11 material weaknesses, 7 significant deficiencies, and 5 instances of noncompliance with applicable laws and regulations. That's pretty bad for an audit.</quote> Let's give them more money! Increase taxes to solve the problem!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:10:46 PM #26:	Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876954730] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ </quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president?</quote> The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending.</quote> What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 04/10/17 11:10:52 PM #27:	Logos posted... the solution to every problem I don't think people actually think this. They pick and choose where they think government is useful. Nobody liked the bank bailouts. Left or right. --- http://i.imgtc.com/qieELu9.jpg <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:876954739] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote> the solution to every problem</quote> I don't think people actually think this. They pick and choose where they think government is useful. Nobody liked the bank bailouts. Left or right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:11:07 PM #28:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening? Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876954755] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ </quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president?</quote> The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending.</quote> What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening?</quote> Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:11:54 PM #29:	foreveraIone posted... Logos posted... the solution to every problem I don't think people actually think this. They pick and choose where they think government is useful. Nobody liked the bank bailouts. Left or right. The irony of the entire thing is that it's the banks that own the government and that profit from treating people like tax cattle. And the left plays right into it by expanding government reach and vying for more taxation for all kinds of useless programs. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876954801] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote> the solution to every problem</quote> I don't think people actually think this. They pick and choose where they think government is useful. Nobody liked the bank bailouts. Left or right.</quote> The irony of the entire thing is that it's the banks that own the government and that profit from treating people like tax cattle. And the left plays right into it by expanding government reach and vying for more taxation for all kinds of useless programs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:12:10 PM #30:	Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening? Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all. Do you find that this is a hard question for you to answer? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876954819] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ </quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? </quote> The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. </quote> What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening?</quote> Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all.</quote> Do you find that this is a hard question for you to answer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/10/17 11:12:33 PM #31:	foreveraIone posted... Logos posted... the solution to every problem I don't think people actually think this. They pick and choose where they think government is useful. Nobody liked the bank bailouts. Left or right. You'd be surprised. A lot of these people have absolute blind trust in the government based on what they believe in, what they want, etc. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:876954844] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote> the solution to every problem</quote> I don't think people actually think this. They pick and choose where they think government is useful. Nobody liked the bank bailouts. Left or right.</quote> You'd be surprised. A lot of these people have absolute blind trust in the government based on what they believe in, what they want, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:12:46 PM #32:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening? Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all. Do you find that this is a hard question for you to answer? Government is incompetent. They need to be starved for cash until they prove they know what they're doing with it. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876954864] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ </quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? </quote> The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. </quote> What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening?</quote> Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all.</quote> Do you find that this is a hard question for you to answer?</quote> Government is incompetent. They need to be starved for cash until they prove they know what they're doing with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 04/10/17 11:14:05 PM #33:	3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? He's basically an AnCap with how every topic of his turns into how the government is bad and we should get rid of it. I wouldn't take anything he writes as being a genuine argument. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:876954948] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/</quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president?</quote> He's basically an AnCap with how every topic of his turns into how the government is bad and we should get rid of it. I wouldn't take anything he writes as being a genuine argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:15:04 PM #34:	Tmaster148 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? He's basically an AnCap with how every topic of his turns into how the government is bad and we should get rid of it. I wouldn't take anything he writes as being a genuine argument. "herp DERP anCap HODOR" that's literally all you have to say, dude. every time. here's tremendous evidence of government being incompetent, in addition to a ton of other examples, and you literally have no response but some generic "hodor ANCAP hahahaha" bullshit. :/ --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876955019] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/</quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president?</quote> He's basically an AnCap with how every topic of his turns into how the government is bad and we should get rid of it. I wouldn't take anything he writes as being a genuine argument.</quote> "herp DERP anCap HODOR" that's literally all you have to say, dude. every time. here's tremendous evidence of government being incompetent, in addition to a ton of other examples, and you literally have no response but some generic "hodor ANCAP hahahaha" bullshit. :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 04/10/17 11:15:08 PM #35:	Logos posted... The irony of the entire thing is that it's the banks that own the government and that profit from treating people like tax cattle. And the left plays right into it by expanding government reach and vying for more taxation for all kinds of useless programs. Its really more of a pick and choose deal. How many people on the left do you think want to cut the military budget vs. people on the right right now? Most leftists don't think we need a 600 billion dollar military budget. They'd rather see that money go to college or healthcare. Leftists hate GWB and his trillion dollar war. --- http://i.imgtc.com/qieELu9.jpg <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:876955023] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote>The irony of the entire thing is that it's the banks that own the government and that profit from treating people like tax cattle. And the left plays right into it by expanding government reach and vying for more taxation for all kinds of useless programs. </quote> Its really more of a pick and choose deal. How many people on the left do you think want to cut the military budget vs. people on the right right now? Most leftists don't think we need a 600 billion dollar military budget. They'd rather see that money go to college or healthcare. Leftists hate GWB and his trillion dollar war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:17:12 PM #36:	Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... emblem boy posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening? Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all. Do you find that this is a hard question for you to answer? Government is incompetent. They need to be starved for cash until they prove they know what they're doing with it. So how would them having less have prevented this from happening? Is it only government agencies that are subject to budgetary discrepancies? Do you believe that private companies don't have an issue posting financial statements that aren't filled with inaccuracies? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876955171] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralpolitics/comments/63rzt2/_/ </quote> What happens to TCs topic now? Does he actually discuss the findings in the article, or is this just a pitiful shot at Obama/certain CE posters? Why does Proudclad hold CEmen to the same level of accountability as a former president? </quote> The point was that it's funny how people think giving the government more money is a good idea / the solution to every problem. The government is utterly incompetent at managing money. It's a train wreck. I'm reminded of when the Bush administration had a similar situation where the Pentagon had a 1 Trillion dollar accounting mess due to military spending. </quote> What does this have to do with giving them more taxes? Would them having less somehow have prevented this from happening? </quote> Shhhh, just raise taxes and give them more. That's all. </quote> Do you find that this is a hard question for you to answer?</quote> Government is incompetent. They need to be starved for cash until they prove they know what they're doing with it.</quote> So how would them having less have prevented this from happening? Is it only government agencies that are subject to budgetary discrepancies? Do you believe that private companies don't have an issue posting financial statements that aren't filled with inaccuracies?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:18:46 PM #37:	3rd_Best_Master posted... So how would them having less have prevented this from happening? Is it only government agencies that are subject to budgetary discrepancies? Do you believe that private companies don't have an issue posting financial statements that aren't filled with inaccuracies? If you have less money, there's less money to waste. Until you prove you're a good steward with other people's money, you shouldn't have access to a blank check. Private corporations have more incentive to have good books. The shareholders and the IRS will shaft them otherwise. They're not perfect either, and I don't side with any monopolies or companies that engage in shady shit. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876955257] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>So how would them having less have prevented this from happening? Is it only government agencies that are subject to budgetary discrepancies? Do you believe that private companies don't have an issue posting financial statements that aren't filled with inaccuracies? </quote> If you have less money, there's less money to waste. Until you prove you're a good steward with other people's money, you shouldn't have access to a blank check. Private corporations have more incentive to have good books. The shareholders and the IRS will shaft them otherwise. They're not perfect either, and I don't side with any monopolies or companies that engage in shady shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:21:22 PM #38:	So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876955411] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/10/17 11:22:29 PM #39:	3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Private companies isn't my money. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:876955471] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> Private companies isn't my money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:23:08 PM #40:	3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Do private companies run into this shit as often as the government does? At this kind of magnitude in just a single fucking department, year after year after year? And I didn't make an argument for private anything. I'm merely pointing out that the government doesn't know what the fuck it's doing. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876955517] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> Do private companies run into this shit as often as the government does? At this kind of magnitude in just a single fucking department, year after year after year? And I didn't make an argument for private anything. I'm merely pointing out that the government doesn't know what the fuck it's doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:25:00 PM #41:	Gojak_v3 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Private companies isn't my money. Taxes are no longer your money either. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876955615] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> Private companies isn't my money.</quote> Taxes are no longer your money either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:25:27 PM #42:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Gojak_v3 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Private companies isn't my money. Taxes are no longer your money either. They are if you keep your money in tax sheltered and/or off shore accounts. :) --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876955644] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> Private companies isn't my money.</quote> Taxes are no longer your money either.</quote> They are if you keep your money in tax sheltered and/or off shore accounts. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:26:16 PM #43:	Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Do private companies run into this s* as often as the government does? At this kind of magnitude in just a single fing department, year after year after year? And I didn't make an argument for private anything. I'm merely pointing out that the government doesn't know what the f it's doing. What rate do government agencies post shoddy numbers? What rate do private companies post shoddy numbers? Have you actually bothered looking? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876955689] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> Do private companies run into this s* as often as the government does? At this kind of magnitude in just a single f*ing department, year after year after year? And I didn't make an argument for private anything. I'm merely pointing out that the government doesn't know what the f* it's doing.</quote> What rate do government agencies post shoddy numbers? What rate do private companies post shoddy numbers? Have you actually bothered looking?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/10/17 11:26:21 PM #44:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Gojak_v3 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Private companies isn't my money. Taxes are no longer your money either. Wow, lol. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:876955696] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> Private companies isn't my money.</quote> Taxes are no longer your money either.</quote> Wow, lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:27:16 PM #45:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Do private companies run into this s* as often as the government does? At this kind of magnitude in just a single fing department, year after year after year? And I didn't make an argument for private anything. I'm merely pointing out that the government doesn't know what the f** it's doing. What rate do government agencies post shoddy numbers? What rate do private companies post shoddy numbers? Have you actually bothered looking? If private corporations were seeing half a trillion dollars worth of this shit in a single department, I guarantee you the media would be shitposting about it. Don't be obtuse - I don't need to do in depth research into the corporate world in order to prove that the government has no clue what it's doing. You're moving the goalposts. Why? Why are you so hesitant to admit the truth? --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876955759] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations?</quote> Do private companies run into this s* as often as the government does? At this kind of magnitude in just a single fing department, year after year after year? And I didn't make an argument for private anything. I'm merely pointing out that the government doesn't know what the f** it's doing.</quote> What rate do government agencies post shoddy numbers? What rate do private companies post shoddy numbers? Have you actually bothered looking?</quote> If private corporations were seeing half a trillion dollars worth of this shit in a single department, I guarantee you the media would be shitposting about it. Don't be obtuse - I don't need to do in depth research into the corporate world in order to prove that the government has no clue what it's doing. You're moving the goalposts. Why? Why are you so hesitant to admit the truth?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:27:54 PM #46:	Gojak_v3 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Gojak_v3 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Private companies isn't my money. Taxes are no longer your money either. Wow, lol. Walk up to Trump and demand your money back then. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876955796] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? </quote> Private companies isn't my money. </quote> Taxes are no longer your money either.</quote> Wow, lol.</quote> Walk up to Trump and demand your money back then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:28:17 PM #47:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Gojak_v3 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Gojak_v3 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? Private companies isn't my money. Taxes are no longer your money either. Wow, lol. Walk up to Trump and demand your money back then. Tax sheltered and/or off shore accounts :) --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876955819] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> So if private companies are also subject to the same issue at times then how is this supposed to be a convincing argument in favor of private corporations? </quote> Private companies isn't my money. </quote> Taxes are no longer your money either.</quote> Wow, lol.</quote> Walk up to Trump and demand your money back then.</quote> Tax sheltered and/or off shore accounts :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/10/17 11:28:27 PM #48:	That's completely not the point and you know it. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:876955826] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote>That's completely not the point and you know it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:29:45 PM #49:	Gojak_v3 posted... That's completely not the point and you know it. Doesn't matter, I'm Gojaking. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876955903] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>That's completely not the point and you know it.</quote> Doesn't matter, I'm Gojaking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Logos 04/10/17 11:30:20 PM #50:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Gojak_v3 posted... That's completely not the point and you know it. Doesn't matter, I'm Gojaking. You're 3rd_Best_Mastering. --- My biggest flaw is how logical and reasonable I am. - hockeybub89 <cite>Logos posted [p:876955933] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>That's completely not the point and you know it.</quote> Doesn't matter, I'm Gojaking.</quote> You're 3rd_Best_Mastering.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 11:31:24 PM #51:	Logos posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Gojak_v3 posted... That's completely not the point and you know it. Doesn't matter, I'm Gojaking. You're 3rd_Best_Mastering. I'm about to start proudcladding in a second. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876956014] in Dept of Ho... [t:75223209]...</cite> <quote><cite>Logos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote> That's completely not the point and you know it. </quote> Doesn't matter, I'm Gojaking.</quote> You're 3rd_Best_Mastering.</quote> I'm about to start proudcladding in a second.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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