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BalanceLost
04/10/17 1:31:09 PM
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The party's "Congress" which meet once a year and vote on the party's politics are about to club the decision to ban religious free schools in Sweden. The Socialdemocrats hold the Prime-ministership since October 2014 and will get support from enough other parties in Parliament to make the ban a reality. The Socialdemocrats have also decided to keep working for Sweden's new immigration laws being at the EU minimum level (like Hungary and Romania)

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/ooJEm/s-kongressen-pa-vag-forbjuda-religiosa-inslag-i-skolan
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Mal_Fet
04/10/17 1:33:14 PM
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Good.
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Vertania
04/10/17 1:38:15 PM
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BalanceLost posted...
The party's "Congress" which meet once a year and vote on the party's politics are about to club the decision to ban religious free schools in Sweden.

So there will still be private, paid religious schools, right? Then that's definitely fair.

Even if that's not the case, religion doesn't need to be taught in schools anyway. There's churches for that.
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BalanceLost
04/10/17 1:42:21 PM
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Vertania posted...
BalanceLost posted...
The party's "Congress" which meet once a year and vote on the party's politics are about to club the decision to ban religious free schools in Sweden.

So there will still be private, paid religious schools, right? Then that's definitely fair.

Even if that's not the case, religion doesn't need to be taught in schools anyway. There's churches for that.

Free school is perhaps not the correct English term? It's what we call private schools.

Religion as a historical subject which cover "the 5 world religions" will be taught, but having actual religious practices in school will not.
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Antifar
04/10/17 1:44:35 PM
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BalanceLost posted...
Free school is perhaps not the correct English term? It's what we call private schools.

hmm, yeah that's confusing. Here we would think of "free" as in publicly funded
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BalanceLost
04/10/17 1:45:36 PM
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Antifar posted...
BalanceLost posted...
Free school is perhaps not the correct English term? It's what we call private schools.

hmm, yeah that's confusing. Here we would think of "free" as in publicly funded

That makes sense. In Swedish it means "free" as in not owned by the State so to speak.
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BalanceLost
04/10/17 2:38:37 PM
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Bump
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ChromaticAngel
04/10/17 2:39:34 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Good.


Fuck I agree with Mal_Fet on something.
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s0nicfan
04/10/17 2:39:54 PM
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Good.
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TheVipaGTS
04/10/17 2:40:01 PM
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BalanceLost posted...
Vertania posted...
BalanceLost posted...
The party's "Congress" which meet once a year and vote on the party's politics are about to club the decision to ban religious free schools in Sweden.

So there will still be private, paid religious schools, right? Then that's definitely fair.

Even if that's not the case, religion doesn't need to be taught in schools anyway. There's churches for that.

Free school is perhaps not the correct English term? It's what we call private schools.

Religion as a historical subject which cover "the 5 world religions" will be taught, but having actual religious practices in school will not.

Sounds perfectly fine to me.
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Mike_Stanton
04/10/17 2:42:46 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Good.

I (Butters) agree with Mal Fet? wtf?
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Gojak_v3
04/10/17 2:47:54 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Good.

ChromaticAngel posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Good.


Fuck I agree with Mal_Fet on something.

s0nicfan posted...
Good.

TheVipaGTS posted...
Sounds perfectly fine to me.


lmao at all these trolls that would use the power of the state to shut down private schools. Tell me, assuming standard education benchmarks and practices have to be meet like here in the US, what does it matter?

liberty amirite lol

Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals, the preach about tolerance and caring, but just want you to shut up and do what they tell you. And they try to claim conservatives are the fascist ones.
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s0nicfan
04/10/17 2:49:55 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
lmao at all these trolls that would use the power of the state to shut down private schools. Tell me, assuming standard education benchmarks and practices have to be meet like here in the US, what does it matter?


Nothing is stopping anyone from continuing their religious education at home.
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Gojak_v3
04/10/17 2:51:29 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
lmao at all these trolls that would use the power of the state to shut down private schools. Tell me, assuming standard education benchmarks and practices have to be meet like here in the US, what does it matter?


Nothing is stopping anyone from continuing their religious education at home.


That's not the point. If I want to start a school why shouldn't I be able to? People have to decide on their own free will to send their kid to private school. I'm not forcing anyone. At least I'm glad this kind of bullshit will never see the light of day in the US. It's completely backward.
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ChromaticAngel
04/10/17 2:51:34 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals,


BRB, calling Jesus to get a resurrection after dying from laughter at the thought of Mal_Fet being a liberal.
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Logos
04/10/17 2:52:14 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
lmao at all these trolls that would use the power of the state to shut down private schools. Tell me, assuming standard education benchmarks and practices have to be meet like here in the US, what does it matter?


Nothing is stopping anyone from continuing their religious education at home.


How is that going to happen if kids spend most of their time at school? Parents should have the freedom to send their kids to a private religious institution if they want to, no?
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Gojak_v3
04/10/17 2:52:33 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals,


BRB, calling Jesus to get a resurrection after dying from laughter at the thought of Mal_Fet being a liberal.


Address the point of stfu. And he clearly comes off as a liberal on this topic if that's his opinion.
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s0nicfan
04/10/17 2:53:59 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
lmao at all these trolls that would use the power of the state to shut down private schools. Tell me, assuming standard education benchmarks and practices have to be meet like here in the US, what does it matter?


Nothing is stopping anyone from continuing their religious education at home.


That's not the point. If I want to start a school why shouldn't I be able to? People have to decide on their own free will to send their kid to private school. I'm not forcing anyone. At least I'm glad this kind of bullshit will never see the light of day in the US. It's completely backward.


ehh... that's a fair point. I'll change my stance. I'm just all for separation of church and state, and whenever religion intersects with primary education it tends to be a little too close than I would prefer. As long as they're maintaining all national standards I guess it's fine.
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ChromaticAngel
04/10/17 2:55:19 PM
#19:


Gojak_v3 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals,


BRB, calling Jesus to get a resurrection after dying from laughter at the thought of Mal_Fet being a liberal.


Address the point of stfu.


Very well.

ATTN: @Gojak_v3

shut the fuck up
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hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:00:06 PM
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Good. Religious indoctrination is a cancer that should be excised from children. Choose to believe in a sky fairy of your own will.
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ManSpread
04/10/17 3:01:46 PM
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lmfao at thinking @Mal_Fet is anything remotely close to a liberal

@Gojak_v3 hes just as big of a right wing nutcase as you are except on this single issue
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BalanceLost
04/10/17 3:03:26 PM
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The Socialdemocrats have never claimed to be "liberals". Politics is more than just "liberals" and "conservatives".
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Drasilor
04/10/17 3:07:37 PM
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Good
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Mal_Fet
04/10/17 3:11:32 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals,


BRB, calling Jesus to get a resurrection after dying from laughter at the thought of Mal_Fet being a liberal.

Look up "classic liberal"

Aka the actual definition of a liberal
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hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:12:26 PM
#25:


Mal_Fet posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals,


BRB, calling Jesus to get a resurrection after dying from laughter at the thought of Mal_Fet being a liberal.

Look up "classic liberal"

Aka the actual definition of a liberal

AKA not Trump fanboy Mal_Fet
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Guardian-Sloth
04/10/17 3:13:21 PM
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>Sweden

How tolerant.
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hockeybub89
04/10/17 3:16:29 PM
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Guardian-Sloth posted...
>Sweden

How tolerant.

People have been yelling at Sweden for being too tolerant of religion.

Now someone needs to think of the poor religions?
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addled
04/10/17 3:19:04 PM
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I'm not a resident of Sweden so my opinion doesn't matter.
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Guardian-Sloth
04/10/17 3:19:34 PM
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People have been yelling at Sweden for being too tolerant of religion.


Please tell me this is a joke.
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Gojak_v3
04/10/17 3:21:35 PM
#30:


hockeybub89 posted...
Guardian-Sloth posted...
>Sweden

How tolerant.

People have been yelling at Sweden for being too tolerant of religion.

Now someone needs to think of the poor religions?


And look, another liberal that wants to use the power of the state to tell you what you can and can't do. How delightfully fascist.
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ManSpread
04/10/17 3:23:07 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Guardian-Sloth posted...
>Sweden

How tolerant.

People have been yelling at Sweden for being too tolerant of religion.

Now someone needs to think of the poor religions?


And look, another liberal that wants to use the power of the state to tell you what you can and can't do. How delightfully fascist.

thoughts on states wanting to ban gay marriage?
thoughts on states with bathroom laws?
thoughts on states wanting to make abortions illegal?

(bear in mind what politically colored states usually push this kind of legislature)
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Kazuma_Yagami
04/10/17 3:24:14 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Good. Religious indoctrination is a cancer that should be excised from children. Choose to believe in a sky fairy of your own will.


*tips fedora and eats Cheetos*
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Gojak_v3
04/10/17 3:25:38 PM
#33:


ManSpread posted...
thoughts on states wanting to ban gay marriage?
thought on states with bathroom laws?

(bear in mind what politically colored states usually push this kind of legislature)


What does this have to do with the topic? This is fascism plain and simple. What do you think pointing out other examples makes this okay?
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ManSpread
04/10/17 3:26:43 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
ManSpread posted...
thoughts on states wanting to ban gay marriage?
thought on states with bathroom laws?

(bear in mind what politically colored states usually push this kind of legislature)


What does this have to do with the topic? This is fascism plain and simple. What do you think pointing out other examples makes this okay?

im curious what you, a hardcore conservative, thinks about conservative states telling you what you can and cant do via power of the state
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TheVipaGTS
04/10/17 3:28:30 PM
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Gojak if a private school was telling kids why they should convert to being Muslims you'd be perfectly fine with it right?
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Guardian-Sloth
04/10/17 3:38:40 PM
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thoughts on states wanting to ban gay marriage?


Shouldn't be up to the state anyway tbh, the only reason it is is because Democrats didn't want blacks to marry whites.

thoughts on states with bathroom laws?


Those laws are there to protect women, see my post in the topic that addresses this law.

thoughts on states wanting to make abortions illegal?


Remind me, why is it considered a double-homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered?
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ManSpread
04/10/17 3:41:34 PM
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Those laws are there to protect women, see my post in the topic that addresses this law.


yet it isnt transgender people that are assaulting women in bathrooms

Remind me, why is it considered a double-homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered?

lack of consent
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NINExATExSEVEN
04/10/17 3:50:30 PM
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I love how Sweden got a reality kick in the face when it comes to multiculturism and are now doing what they should have 10 years ago.

Good for you Sweden.
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Lightsasori
04/10/17 4:00:51 PM
#39:


BalanceLost posted...
ban religious free schools in Sweden.


Good, public schools shouldn't have anything to do with religion.
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hockeybub89
04/10/17 4:02:41 PM
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Guardian-Sloth posted...
Remind me, why is it considered a double-homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered?

Because a third party doesn't have the authority to make a choice for a woman about her fetus' future. I don't believe it is always even considered double homicide if happens during the window when abortion is legal. Depends on the local law.
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Lightsasori
04/10/17 4:03:03 PM
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Guardian-Sloth posted...
Shouldn't be up to the state anyway tbh, the only reason it is is because Democrats didn't want blacks to marry whites.


What? That doesn't make any sense. It was the Conservatives that didn't want interracial marriage, not the Liberals.

Guardian-Sloth posted...
Those laws are there to protect women, see my post in the topic that addresses this law.


Yeah it's going to protect women as much as gun control is going to prevent gun violence.

Guardian-Sloth posted...

Remind me, why is it considered a double-homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered?


I'll agree, it's an inconsistency with the law.
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Mike_Stanton
04/10/17 4:39:17 PM
#42:


Gojak_v3 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Good.

ChromaticAngel posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Good.


Fuck I agree with Mal_Fet on something.

s0nicfan posted...
Good.

TheVipaGTS posted...
Sounds perfectly fine to me.


lmao at all these trolls that would use the power of the state to shut down private schools. Tell me, assuming standard education benchmarks and practices have to be meet like here in the US, what does it matter?

liberty amirite lol

Shit like this is why I continue to hate liberals, the preach about tolerance and caring, but just want you to shut up and do what they tell you. And they try to claim conservatives are the fascist ones.

It's a matter of keeping religion out of classrooms in order to prevent people from pushing their religious agenda on young teenagers. Start a school and don't push your religious stuff on the students and be tolerant of other worldviews. Really simple way to practice tolerance srs...
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Guardian-Sloth
04/10/17 5:08:00 PM
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yet it isnt transgender people that are assaulting women in bathrooms


No, but allowing them to go into whichever bathroom they choose has made it incredibly easy for nontransgender men to get away with it.

lack of consent


Oh, so it's only murder if the mother doesn't consent? Where's the logic there?

Because a third party doesn't have the authority to make a choice for a woman about her fetus' future.


"her fetus' future"

These are children we're talking about.

What? That doesn't make any sense. It was the Conservatives that didn't want interracial marriage, not the Liberals.


Slavery/Segregation era democrats imposed those laws.

Yeah it's going to protect women as much as gun control is going to prevent gun violence.


Unless you want a police officer in every public bathroom I fail to see your point.
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ThePrinceFish
04/10/17 5:13:06 PM
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Wait, people like that they are banning religious private schools? Surprised that the hate boner over religion is stronger than the sentiment of "just don't go to that school"
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Guardian-Sloth
04/10/17 5:14:59 PM
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The only way this would possibly work is if they went for a full on ban on religion. How are they supposed to regulate home schools?
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Lightsasori
04/10/17 5:17:23 PM
#46:


Guardian-Sloth posted...

Slavery/Segregation era democrats imposed those laws.


Sounds like you don't know anything about our political history, or you would know that the Southern Democrats back then are the Republicans now.

Guardian-Sloth posted...
Unless you want a police officer in every public bathroom I fail to see your point.

Yep, you missed my point all entirely. Transgender have been using whatever restroom they felt like using with no issue at all. It was the Conservative politicians that for some odd reason decided it was an issue when it never was to begin with.
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AmonAmarth
04/10/17 5:20:11 PM
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thats dumb.

oh well in 50 years they'll all be learning Koran.
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Guardian-Sloth
04/10/17 5:25:02 PM
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Sounds like you don't know anything about our political history, or you would know that the Southern Democrats back then are the Republicans now.


That's not exactly right, it's true that Dems are more liberal now, but most of the racists have died off.

Yep, you missed my point all entirely. Transgender have been using whatever restroom they felt like using with no issue at all. It was the Conservative politicians that for some odd reason decided it was an issue when it never was to begin with.


This is also incorrect. Target in particular has had multiple alleged assaults/recordings directly resulting from their failed bathroom policy.
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Electrokinesis
04/10/17 5:25:35 PM
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Fine by me.
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JE19426
04/10/17 5:29:16 PM
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Lightsasori posted...
Good, public schools shouldn't have anything to do with religion.


Free schools =/= Public schools.
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