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Gunvalkyrie2
04/10/17 12:18:37 AM
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Prayer changes things...




Choose.
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Gunvalkyrie2
04/10/17 12:52:43 AM
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Church shootings WHILE they are praying?
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lilORANG
04/10/17 12:54:59 AM
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I prayed once that my ex-girlfriend's leg wouldn't get amputated during a risky procedure. Everything turned out fine. God is good!
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TheDarkCircle
04/10/17 12:55:49 AM
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Prayer changes nothing if you sit in your four walls waiting for something good to happen. With what you CAN control, if one prays and that gives them the impetus to get motivated to try to accomplish something, then it works.

I'm describing a placebo effect I guess, but yeah it works if it helps one get motivated/focused.
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Vol2tex
04/10/17 12:56:14 AM
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There's no way to know if prayer actually resulted in a positive outcome or not, but I guess it is comforting to pray and things end up working out.
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Gunvalkyrie2
04/10/17 12:58:32 AM
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Vol2tex posted...
There's no way to know if prayer actually resulted in a positive outcome or not, but I guess it is comforting to pray and things end up working out.

But wouldn't things end up working out without prayer?
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TheDarkCircle
04/10/17 12:59:27 AM
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Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
Vol2tex posted...
There's no way to know if prayer actually resulted in a positive outcome or not, but I guess it is comforting to pray and things end up working out.

But wouldn't things end up working out without prayer?


oh boy...
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DoctorPiranha3
04/10/17 1:01:32 AM
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Prayer these days is horribly, horribly misguided. Prayer in the ancient days was intended for us to be still and silent, to set time out in the day to be one with the silence of God. It was much the same way how Buddhist Monks meditate; it's a way of allowing the mind to let go, and to bring some inner peace and calmness.

Over time, prayer became this horribly selfish, egocentric event where we ask god to give us things, to bend reality to our own will. This is fucking stupid and any intellectually honest person knows that's a load of horseshit.
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TheVipaGTS
04/10/17 1:03:06 AM
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On a personal level a prayer can give someone the power, mentally, to enact change or accomplish something. if they choose to attribute their successes and accomplishments to god because of their prayers so be it....

....but ultimately, its just a mental thing imo....placebo.....and i'm not saying that to be a jerk and be like "HA RELIGIOUS PEOPLE R DUMB".....just my opinion....i support people who pray for strength and guidance as long as they use that strength to actually do something....if your child is sick and you simply pray for him without taking action and seeing a doctor you're fuckin idiot....When someone posts something on FB Like "im going through a tough time!"...most of the comments will be "YOU'RE IN MY PRAYERS!" and on the surface that makes the person feel better....but there are people who post stuff like that, pray, and think that's all that needs to be done...if your friend needs help let them know you're praying for them, prayer for strength if you need it....but do something....help them....
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Gunvalkyrie2
04/10/17 1:03:19 AM
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DoctorPiranha3 posted...
Prayer these days is horribly, horribly misguided. Prayer in the ancient days was intended for us to be still and silent, to set time out in the day to be one with the silence of God. It was much the same way how Buddhist Monks meditate; it's a way of allowing the mind to let go, and to bring some inner peace and calmness.

Over time, prayer became this horribly selfish, egocentric event where we ask god to give us things, to bend reality to our own will. This is fucking stupid and any intellectually honest person knows that's a load of horseshit.


It's fantasy either way.
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Vol2tex
04/10/17 1:03:29 AM
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Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
Vol2tex posted...
There's no way to know if prayer actually resulted in a positive outcome or not, but I guess it is comforting to pray and things end up working out.

But wouldn't things end up working out without prayer?


I am saying that the actual act of praying has a comforting/reassuring impact so that the person is less stressed before the outcome occurs.

For example, if I am worried about something at work and prayed, I would feel less nervous going to work the next day.
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Gunvalkyrie2
04/10/17 1:05:11 AM
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I see.
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Vol2tex
04/10/17 1:05:37 AM
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DoctorPiranha3 posted...
Prayer these days is horribly, horribly misguided. Prayer in the ancient days was intended for us to be still and silent, to set time out in the day to be one with the silence of God. It was much the same way how Buddhist Monks meditate; it's a way of allowing the mind to let go, and to bring some inner peace and calmness.

Over time, prayer became this horribly selfish, egocentric event where we ask god to give us things, to bend reality to our own will. This is fucking stupid and any intellectually honest person knows that's a load of horseshit.


Yes, it is the calmness that the act itself brings.
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DoctorPiranha3
04/10/17 1:06:28 AM
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Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
Prayer these days is horribly, horribly misguided. Prayer in the ancient days was intended for us to be still and silent, to set time out in the day to be one with the silence of God. It was much the same way how Buddhist Monks meditate; it's a way of allowing the mind to let go, and to bring some inner peace and calmness.

Over time, prayer became this horribly selfish, egocentric event where we ask god to give us things, to bend reality to our own will. This is fucking stupid and any intellectually honest person knows that's a load of horseshit.


It's fantasy either way.

Placebo is not fantasy, it's a real thing. That's why people even do this shit, because if nothing transpired in the mind, they wouldn't fucking do it.
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Terra-enforcer
04/10/17 1:34:44 AM
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Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
Vol2tex posted...
There's no way to know if prayer actually resulted in a positive outcome or not, but I guess it is comforting to pray and things end up working out.

But wouldn't things end up working out without prayer?

How do you know?

Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
Prayer these days is horribly, horribly misguided. Prayer in the ancient days was intended for us to be still and silent, to set time out in the day to be one with the silence of God. It was much the same way how Buddhist Monks meditate; it's a way of allowing the mind to let go, and to bring some inner peace and calmness.

Over time, prayer became this horribly selfish, egocentric event where we ask god to give us things, to bend reality to our own will. This is fucking stupid and any intellectually honest person knows that's a load of horseshit.


It's fantasy either way.

Ah, so this really is just an edgy atheist bait thread. Should have known. Not sure what you get out of making topics like this if you don't care about what anyone has to say.
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Gunvalkyrie2
04/10/17 1:39:27 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
Vol2tex posted...
There's no way to know if prayer actually resulted in a positive outcome or not, but I guess it is comforting to pray and things end up working out.

But wouldn't things end up working out without prayer?

How do you know?

Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
Prayer these days is horribly, horribly misguided. Prayer in the ancient days was intended for us to be still and silent, to set time out in the day to be one with the silence of God. It was much the same way how Buddhist Monks meditate; it's a way of allowing the mind to let go, and to bring some inner peace and calmness.

Over time, prayer became this horribly selfish, egocentric event where we ask god to give us things, to bend reality to our own will. This is fucking stupid and any intellectually honest person knows that's a load of horseshit.


It's fantasy either way.

Ah, so this really is just an edgy atheist bait thread. Should have known. Not sure what you get out of making topics like this if you don't care about what anyone has to say.


Reality.
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Dash_Harber
04/10/17 1:46:57 AM
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I don't think prayer changes anything at all because I don't believe there is anything to pray to. However, I think the placebo effect is in full effect and praying can give people hope and encouragement, so it doesn't really matter who or what people are praying to, just the fact that they feel that something out there is looking out for them can really change things around.

It makes me sad that many of my fellow atheists instantly dismiss anything with any sort of religious association as 'stupid sky magic' or something, when the cultural, psychological and societal effects of those practices and institutions can give such a deep insight into the world around us.
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scar the 1
04/10/17 1:49:43 AM
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Vol2tex posted...
There's no way to know if prayer actually resulted in a positive outcome or not

Sure there is, just set up some plain ol' experiments.
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Terra-enforcer
04/10/17 1:49:58 AM
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Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
Reality

You trolling is a reality indeed it seems. I'll just tag and move on for now.
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Gunvalkyrie2
04/10/17 9:20:43 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Gunvalkyrie2 posted...
Reality

You trolling is a reality indeed it seems. I'll just tag and move on for now.


It's trolling to not believe in the make-believe!?
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DevsBro
04/10/17 9:22:51 AM
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No matter how you answered, you are correct.
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Vertania
04/10/17 9:25:55 AM
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It can actually make things worse. People can just say "I'll pray for you" and walk away with a good conscience from someone who actually needs their help.
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apolloooo
04/10/17 9:39:04 AM
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well it can at least reinforce the mental state the person praying. it's like placebo. if you are in a race and believe god is with you when you are running, you got that stat boost from your belief that can affect your physical performance.

suggestion is a strong thing and i bleive that is the extend of praying. suggestion.
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I4NRulez
04/10/17 9:45:20 AM
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Damn, heaven forbid some people use prayer just for some hope in a situation they cant control.
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33
04/10/17 9:50:20 AM
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The human body has no objective sense organ. It cannot differentiate from what the brain thinks is happening and what is actually happening, and thus, what you think is happening can have the same effect on your body as it actually happening, at least to an extent.

This is how the placebo effect works, but it's also why if you honest-to-goodness believed that you were Bugs Bunny, a lie detector would not contradict you. It's also why being convinced that everybody hates you can make you depressed even if they don't.

So, if you deadass believe that saying words into the air can heal you, you might expect it so much that you start to feel what you think is healing. That's why faith is so vital to religion.
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Twin3Turbo
04/10/17 9:59:44 AM
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Vertania posted...
It can actually make things worse. People can just say "I'll pray for you" and walk away with a good conscience from someone who actually needs their help.

TheVipaGTS posted...
When someone posts something on FB Like "im going through a tough time!"...most of the comments will be "YOU'RE IN MY PRAYERS!" and on the surface that makes the person feel better....but there are people who post stuff like that, pray, and think that's all that needs to be done...if your friend needs help let them know you're praying for them, prayer for strength if you need it....but do something....help them....


Yeah i hate this.

Actual action >>>>>>prayer

If it takes prayer to cause the action....then so be it even though I think it's not necessary. Whatever it takes I guess.
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pinky0926
04/10/17 10:01:24 AM
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_Near_
04/10/17 10:02:42 AM
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People can certainly derive benefit from the act itself.

But if you're talking about the idea of divine intervention - no, it doesn't do that.
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