Current Events > So, CE, why can you NOT drive a standard?

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its a rite of passage to call yourself an adult, automatics are for little kids


it should be a law that your driving test has to be in a standard transmission.
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I can but automatic is much nicer
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Never owned an automatic. That will change but I still prefer manual.
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powerman1426 posted...

I can but automatic is much nicer

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I drive a manual bicycle
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Manual drivers are worse than PC elitists
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Why would I want to learn something that's obsolete?
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I can, but it's harder to text
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powerman1426 posted...

I can but automatic is much nicer

No, it is not. an automatic is what you get when you don't know how to drive

there is literally no benefit of an automatic
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It's 2017. Automatic is the standard. Manual hasn't been common in decades.
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byron posted...

AlBundy33 posted...

automatics are for little kids

Caring about pointless shit is for little kids.

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I used to feel this way but honestly, technology has advanced so much that 95% of the arguments in favour of standard transmission are obsolete. They're no longer more fuel efficient, safer, give you more control or are more accessible - unless you are doing something wild like 4x4 driving over hilly sand dunes in the desert or something.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's 2017. Automatic is the standard. Manual hasn't been common in decades.

Cause people are extremely lazy, and don't care about literally throwing money in the garbage, where automatic cars belong
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What's the upside? Fuel efficiency gap narrowed a while ago from what I know.

Basically I'm not an elitist so I take the easier and wiser option.
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My first car (had it for about ten years) had a manual transmission.
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AlBundy33 posted...

powerman1426 posted...

I can but automatic is much nicer

No, it is not. an automatic is what you get when you don't know how to drive

there is literally no benefit of an automatic

Sure there are:

- less effort
- probably *more* fuel efficient now
- easier and more accessible
- smoother ride

That's plenty of reason.
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AlBundy33 posted...

powerman1426 posted...

I can but automatic is much nicer

No, it is not. an automatic is what you get when you don't know how to drive

there is literally no benefit of an automatic

Umm how about having a free hand and not having to waste attention on a secondary driving responsibility? Lol

Also shifts smoother.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's 2017. Automatic is the standard. Manual hasn't been common in decades.

Maybe in the USA...
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Fart_Tzar posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's 2017. Automatic is the standard. Manual hasn't been common in decades.

Maybe in the USA...

Does anywhere else really matter?
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AlBundy33 posted...

powerman1426 posted...

I can but automatic is much nicer

No, it is not. an automatic is what you get when you don't know how to drive

there is literally no benefit of an automatic

They get better mileage than manuals now and it's easier to use. That's two benefits right there.
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Fart_Tzar posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's 2017. Automatic is the standard. Manual hasn't been common in decades.

Maybe in the USA...

Yeah, the country that actually drives.
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I'd say about 40% of the people in my town have a manual transmission. I switched, but I put in my time.
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MrDrMan posted...

What's the upside? Fuel efficiency gap narrowed a while ago from what I know.

Basically I'm not an elitist so I take the easier and wiser option.

Cheaper to buy
Cheaper to maintain(no Transmission fluid, if an automatic transmission breaks, it is thousands of dollars to fix, and it wont ever run right again)
Better gas mileage
Faster than automatics(standards are direct drive, automatics use ATF to drive them, there is always fluid slippage, so they don't work as efficiently )
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

Fart_Tzar posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's 2017. Automatic is the standard. Manual hasn't been common in decades.

Maybe in the USA...

Yeah, the country that actually drives.

So, every other country in the world does not allow motor vehicles on their streets?
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AlBundy33 posted...

its a rite of passage to call yourself an adult, automatics are for little kids


it should be a law that your driving test has to be in a standard transmission.

Lol at driving a standard. It is called technology improvement and if you think that somehow affects how you grow up then you might as well drive a carriage pulled by horses as driving a standard is cheating according to you logic.
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I can't drive anything. Don't have a license and I'm not interested in getting one
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samurai bandit posted...

Lol at driving a standard. It is called technology improvement and if you think that somehow affects how you grow up then you might as well drive a carriage pulled by horses as driving a standard is cheating according to you logic.

TC is being obtuse but there are some genuine benefits with driving a standard. Cheaper servicing costs (or the ability to DIY if you're that way inclined), more control (useful in certain environments), more fun (a legitimate reason why a lot of people like to drive), generally more direct engine-to-driver feel, rather than the typical lag or obvious bottlenecked feel that a lot of auto transmissions have.
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Can't use my left leg.
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pinky0926 posted...

samurai bandit posted...

Lol at driving a standard. It is called technology improvement and if you think that somehow affects how you grow up then you might as well drive a carriage pulled by horses as driving a standard is cheating according to you logic.

TC is being obtuse but there are some genuine benefits with driving a standard. Cheaper servicing costs (or the ability to DIY if you're that way inclined), more control (useful in certain environments), more fun (a legitimate reason why a lot of people like to drive), generally more direct engine-to-driver feel, rather than the typical lag or obvious bottlenecked feel that a lot of auto transmissions have.

Yes, and the people who care about those things enough for it to influence what kind of car they buy are already going to be driving stick anyway
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thronedfire2 posted...

Yes, and the people who care about those things enough for it to influence what kind of car they buy are already going to be driving stick anyway

Well yes, of course. Ultimately it comes down to what you want out of life. 4x4 driving with an automatic is a miserable experience, a bit like planning a camping trip and staying at a resort hotel after the hike up the mountain - if you do this you've missed the point of the entire thing. Obviously, a hotel is better than a tent, but that's not why people do it.
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I'd like to learn but you can't even find a manual to learn on.
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SaltyWet posted...

I'd like to learn but you can't even find a manual to learn on.

Did you try reading the manual?
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I can drive one, but i prefer luxury cars that shift themselves

I don't even want to do that stuff in video games
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AlBundy33 posted...

MrDrMan posted...

What's the upside? Fuel efficiency gap narrowed a while ago from what I know.

Basically I'm not an elitist so I take the easier and wiser option.

Cheaper to buy
Cheaper to maintain(no Transmission fluid, if an automatic transmission breaks, it is thousands of dollars to fix, and it wont ever run right again)
Better gas mileage
Faster than automatics(standards are direct drive, automatics use ATF to drive them, there is always fluid slippage, so they don't work as efficiently )

That's not true. They're typically MORE expensive.
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TC has absolutely no idea what he's taking about

Turbam posted...

Manual drivers are worse than PC elitists

This here is the entire point of this topic.
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Different cultures? I know some people that havent even heard of an automatic transmission outside of USA.

I would LOVE to learn to drive a manual, but never really had the resources just yet. They sound and make the drive look cooler. But Automatics surpass standards nowadays, they are much more efficient for the job. I do have to agree that manuals may prevent texting and driving.

Automatics only for kids? pfft, elitist
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pinky0926 posted...

SaltyWet posted...

I'd like to learn but you can't even find a manual to learn on.

Did you try reading the manual?

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english is such a confusing language
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I haven't bothered to learn, and I'm aware of perhaps a handful of people who have.
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GigaSPX posted...

Turbam posted...

Manual drivers are worse than PC elitists

This here is the entire point of this topic.

More than likely the TC knows how to drive a manual and knows that many do not or don't have the means, ability or interest in driving one.

Anyway a real man drives what he likes or whats available to him at the moment, not what he assumes other people wanting him to drive.

It's either that or go kicking it.
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MrDrMan posted...

What's the upside? Fuel efficiency gap narrowed a while ago from what I know.

Basically I'm not an elitist so I take the easier and wiser option.

Fuel economy is pretty much no longer a point to argue.

HOWEVER;

Maintenance is cheaper, by a long shot. Manuals have fewer 'wear' parts, and have no 'filters' and lesser fluid for a change (my automatic costs around $60 a change; whereas my manual costs $30 with high end fluid; not counting labour... labour is higher on an automatic change). No need for coolers, and there is no need to ever worry about overheating a manual. No need to worry about a transmission line leaking as there are none on manuals. Manuals are lighter, so they do technically make a very SLIGHT difference in performance and MPG, but not enough to notice.

Typically, if a manual fails, you are still drive the car. An automatic fails means you are stuck where you are. The most common failures on a manual are the clutch and hydraulics (all of which are way cheaper than pretty much anything on an automatic).

Then of course, you have the ability to control torque output as needed. You can mechanically separate the engine and drivetrain with the clutch, and you can downshift if needed.
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I can, and do, drive one.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

AlBundy33 posted...

powerman1426 posted...

I can but automatic is much nicer

No, it is not. an automatic is what you get when you don't know how to drive

there is literally no benefit of an automatic

Umm how about having a free hand and not having to waste attention on a secondary driving responsibility? Lol

Also shifts smoother.

I can shift my manuals WAY smoother than any automatic if I wanted to. Smooth shifts = more wear though.
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I just started driving within the last year or so on a regular basis, I hope to learn when I get more fully comfortable driving
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I owned an auto car for a while. I wished it was a manual every time I drove it.

My current car is manual.
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Lvaneede posted...

I owned an auto car for a while. I wished it was a manual every time I drove it.

My current car is manual.

I have an automatic and a manual... I like both vehicles but I have a real hard time with the automatic one. I am constantly worried about the fluid and temp of it (and the normal slippage between shifts that plague stock automatics). I am actually considering doing a manual transmission swap... but its not that easy on this model. Very few were manual; so I would need to do some fab work.
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You call it a standard like that still means something....

I for one am really greatful for Automatic cars. I have really bad knees and if I had to use a clutch it would cause even worse problems for me.

But by all means make a sweeping statement that appeals to what ever it is your trying to prove.
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