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Questionmarktarius 04/10/17 2:29:00 PM #51:	Balrog0 posted... Right to work laws disallow unions from negotiating contracts with employers that require non-union employees to pay union dues, more or less. And again, if the union is so awesome, it shouldn't have any trouble at all getting the free-riders to join in. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876920744] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Right to work laws disallow unions from negotiating contracts with employers that require non-union employees to pay union dues, more or less.</quote> And again, if the union is so awesome, it shouldn't have any trouble at all getting the free-riders to join in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrDrMan 04/10/17 2:31:48 PM #53:	Bok_Choi posted... Kineth posted... Bok_Choi posted... You guys don't know how expensive it is living in Seattle though... the wage rising means people can finally afford shit lmfao That's supposed to be the point of raising wages. Right. IDK what my point was No you're right. It's all relative. For example you can live pretty decently off 15/hr here in KC. If you work 40 hours a week that's 2400/month. The average 1 bedroom here is like 500-600. Basically on that you could afford a pretty baller ass car and apartment easy. I wish everyone a decent life but it shouldn't be that easy. 15 is too much. --- Pimpin aint easy Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:876920911] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote>You guys don't know how expensive it is living in Seattle though... the wage rising means people can finally afford shit lmfao</quote> That's supposed to be the point of raising wages.</quote> Right. IDK what my point was</quote> No you're right. It's all relative. For example you can live pretty decently off 15/hr here in KC. If you work 40 hours a week that's 2400/month. The average 1 bedroom here is like 500-600. Basically on that you could afford a pretty baller ass car and apartment easy. I wish everyone a decent life but it shouldn't be that easy. 15 is too much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/10/17 2:33:20 PM #54:	Questionmarktarius posted... And again, if the union is so awesome, it shouldn't have any trouble at all getting the free-riders to join in. This phrasing makes me think you don't understand what the problem with free riders is... The whole issue is that they can benefit without sacrificing, giving them no personal incentive to buy-in. But on top of that, you're misassigning blame -- if unions suck, then companies shouldn't be able to get their arms twisted by unions because employees will be happy without them anyway. So you wouldn't sign the agency shop contract, and you'd lose your unionized workers and be subjected maybe to a strike or something. That's a free market contract negotiation. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:876921029] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>And again, if the union is so awesome, it shouldn't have any trouble at all getting the free-riders to join in.</quote> This phrasing makes me think you don't understand what the problem with free riders is... The whole issue is that they can benefit without sacrificing, giving them no personal incentive to buy-in. But on top of that, you're misassigning blame -- if unions suck, then companies shouldn't be able to get their arms twisted by unions because employees will be happy without them anyway. So you wouldn't sign the agency shop contract, and you'd lose your unionized workers and be subjected maybe to a strike or something. That's a free market contract negotiation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/10/17 2:34:57 PM #55:	MrDrMan posted... For example you can live pretty decently off 15/hr here in KC. The only true beneficiaries of a $15 minimum wage in KC are going to be North KC, KCK, and Independence. Maybe also Gladstone, Grandview, and Lee's Summit. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876921136] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrDrMan posted...</cite> <quote>For example you can live pretty decently off 15/hr here in KC.</quote> The only true beneficiaries of a $15 minimum wage in KC are going to be North KC, KCK, and Independence. Maybe also Gladstone, Grandview, and Lee's Summit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/10/17 2:49:54 PM #56:	byron posted... Gojak_v3 posted... Antifar posted... Gojak_v3 posted... I'll say it again for the millionth time. If raising the price of labor is good, then make it $50 an hour, or $100 an hour. But of course you will see none of these usual suspects argue for that. "If drinking water is good, drink 10 gallons a day" Very poor comparison. Your initial point was idiotic. Except it's not. And as I predicted you can't argue for it. What a shock. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:876922003] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>I'll say it again for the millionth time. If raising the price of labor is good, then make it $50 an hour, or $100 an hour. But of course you will see none of these usual suspects argue for that.</quote> "If drinking water is good, drink 10 gallons a day"</quote> Very poor comparison.</quote> Your initial point was idiotic.</quote> Except it's not. And as I predicted you can't argue for it. What a shock.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bluezero 04/10/17 3:10:46 PM #58:	TheVipaGTS posted... btw it also worked in Minnesota... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/mark-dayton-minnesota-economy_b_6737786.html MN doesn't have a $15 minimum wage. Source: Minnesotan. --- http://i.imgur.com/VleHYd3.png http://steamsigmaker.de/std/_bluezero_.png <cite>bluezero posted [p:876923353] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>btw it also worked in Minnesota... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/mark-dayton-minnesota-economy_b_6737786.html</quote> MN doesn't have a $15 minimum wage. Source: Minnesotan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrDrMan 04/10/17 5:53:41 PM #60:	Questionmarktarius posted... MrDrMan posted... For example you can live pretty decently off 15/hr here in KC. The only true beneficiaries of a $15 minimum wage in KC are going to be North KC, KCK, and Independence. Maybe also Gladstone, Grandview, and Lee's Summit. Balrog0 posted... This phrasing makes me think you don't understand what the problem with free riders is... The whole issue is that they can benefit without sacrificing, giving them no personal incentive to buy-in. But on top of that, you're misassigning blame -- if unions suck, then companies shouldn't be able to get their arms twisted by unions because employees will be happy without them anyway. Retail Clerks v. Lion Dry Goods, Inc. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/369/17/case.html The Union is only obligated to negotiate and intervene on behalf of its members, and is fully within its rights to tell free-riders to get stuffed. Lmao so basically all the relevant parts of KC? If you're including Shawnee/Olathe/Overland Park that's basically the KC metro area They just need to make it proportionate to region cost of living. --- Pimpin aint easy Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:876933944] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrDrMan posted...</cite> <quote>For example you can live pretty decently off 15/hr here in KC.</quote> The only true beneficiaries of a $15 minimum wage in KC are going to be North KC, KCK, and Independence. Maybe also Gladstone, Grandview, and Lee's Summit. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>This phrasing makes me think you don't understand what the problem with free riders is... The whole issue is that they can benefit without sacrificing, giving them no personal incentive to buy-in. But on top of that, you're misassigning blame -- if unions suck, then companies shouldn't be able to get their arms twisted by unions because employees will be happy without them anyway.</quote> Retail Clerks v. Lion Dry Goods, Inc. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/369/17/case.html The Union is only obligated to negotiate and intervene on behalf of its members, and is fully within its rights to tell free-riders to get stuffed.</quote> Lmao so basically all the relevant parts of KC? If you're including Shawnee/Olathe/Overland Park that's basically the KC metro area They just need to make it proportionate to region cost of living.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/10/17 5:56:47 PM #61:	MrDrMan posted... Lmao so basically all the relevant parts of KC? If you're including Shawnee/Olathe/Overland Park that's basically the KC metro area Sure, why not? Businesses mass-uprooting to the not-KC KC area would be hilarious as hell. May even be happening now. Liberty is being built up a lot lately. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876934192] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrDrMan posted...</cite> <quote>Lmao so basically all the relevant parts of KC? If you're including Shawnee/Olathe/Overland Park that's basically the KC metro area</quote> Sure, why not? Businesses mass-uprooting to the not-KC KC area would be hilarious as hell. May even be happening now. Liberty is being built up a lot lately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 04/10/17 6:05:35 PM #62:	Gojak_v3 posted... byron posted... Gojak_v3 posted... Antifar posted... Gojak_v3 posted... I'll say it again for the millionth time. If raising the price of labor is good, then make it $50 an hour, or $100 an hour. But of course you will see none of these usual suspects argue for that. "If drinking water is good, drink 10 gallons a day" Very poor comparison. Your initial point was idiotic. Except it's not. And as I predicted you can't argue for it. What a shock. Can you explain the reasoning behind your argument and why it's sound logic and why the rebuttal is not? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:876934812] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote> I'll say it again for the millionth time. If raising the price of labor is good, then make it $50 an hour, or $100 an hour. But of course you will see none of these usual suspects argue for that. </quote> "If drinking water is good, drink 10 gallons a day" </quote> Very poor comparison. </quote> Your initial point was idiotic.</quote> Except it's not. And as I predicted you can't argue for it. What a shock.</quote> Can you explain the reasoning behind your argument and why it's sound logic and why the rebuttal is not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 04/10/17 11:01:06 PM #63:	Kineth posted... It's laughable watching people talk economics on this board. --- http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2011/06/pr0gramm-n4gjfl.gif http://churchm.ag/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/batman-mario-2-key.gif <cite>Kineth posted [p:876954162] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>It's laughable watching people talk economics on this board.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 04/10/17 11:01:45 PM #64:	fenderbender321 posted... Wages are so high in Seattle that most people wouldn't make less than minimum wage even if there wasn't a minimum wage. Also, let's keep in mind that the $15 an hour minimum wage in Seattle only applies to businesses with more than 500 people. And businesses that large generally don't start their workers at minimum wage anyway, except MAYBE retail, but that's only one small percentage of businesses with that many employees. For the vast majority of businesses in Seattle, minimum wage is $10 an hour, which is close to where the market value of minimum wage would be anyway. But really, this should just serve to calm the nerves of the anti minimum wage crowd. What they're doing with minimum wage in Seattle really isn't all that dramatic. Minimum wage in WA is 11 --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:876954208] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Wages are so high in Seattle that most people wouldn't make less than minimum wage even if there wasn't a minimum wage. Also, let's keep in mind that the $15 an hour minimum wage in Seattle only applies to businesses with more than 500 people. And businesses that large generally don't start their workers at minimum wage anyway, except MAYBE retail, but that's only one small percentage of businesses with that many employees. For the vast majority of businesses in Seattle, minimum wage is $10 an hour, which is close to where the market value of minimum wage would be anyway. But really, this should just serve to calm the nerves of the anti minimum wage crowd. What they're doing with minimum wage in Seattle really isn't all that dramatic.</quote> Minimum wage in WA is 11</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 04/10/17 11:08:38 PM #65:	Gojak_v3 posted... byron posted... Gojak_v3 posted... Antifar posted... Gojak_v3 posted... I'll say it again for the millionth time. If raising the price of labor is good, then make it $50 an hour, or $100 an hour. But of course you will see none of these usual suspects argue for that. "If drinking water is good, drink 10 gallons a day" Very poor comparison. Your initial point was idiotic. Except it's not. And as I predicted you can't argue for it. What a shock. The water example is exactly the same asinine comment you made. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:876954596] in Let's chec... [t:75215298]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>I'll say it again for the millionth time. If raising the price of labor is good, then make it $50 an hour, or $100 an hour. But of course you will see none of these usual suspects argue for that.</quote> "If drinking water is good, drink 10 gallons a day"</quote> Very poor comparison.</quote> Your initial point was idiotic.</quote> Except it's not. And as I predicted you can't argue for it. What a shock.</quote> The water example is exactly the same asinine comment you made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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