Current Events > There is literally no reason NOT to believe in God.

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If you don't believe in God and He does exist, He will smite you for all eternity in the afterlife.

If you do believe in God and He does exist, then you're good because you had faith.

If you do believe in God and He doesn't exist, then who cares, you'll be dead anyway.

Checkmate atheists.
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Which religion though? You've got about 1 in a couple 1000 shot of picking the correct one if you go with this logic.
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I think some guy already had this reasoning.
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*snore*
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A true mathematician believes in god
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You're right. We should all rejoice in Odin, the All-Father's, light.
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au_gold posted...

If you don't believe in God and He does exist, He will smite you for all eternity in the afterlife.

I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the pope himself has said this isn't true.
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There is literally no reason TO believe the existence of a god.

There is no hypothesis that can be improved by factoring the existence of a god into your evidence.
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that's called pascal's wager and it's moronic

marthsheretoo posted...

There is literally no reason TO believe the existence of a god.

There is no hypothesis that can be improved by factoring the existence of a god into your evidence.

In fact nearly every hypothesis is weakened by factoring the existence of a god into the evidence.
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au_gold posted...

If you do believe in God and He doesn't exist, then who cares, you'll be dead anyway.

But there's a lot of work that goes into it. I don't want to waste several hours of every Sunday and conform to other religious stuff.

And what about the secret option where only believers get smited?
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I see your Pascal's wager, and raise you an Epicurus quote:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Check. Your move.
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Mernardi posted...

Which religion though? You've got about 1 in a couple 1000 shot of picking the correct one if you go with this logic.

Based on the Bible, God doesn't see religion so much as He sees people. As long as you're doing what's right in His eyes, you're in the clear.

marthsheretoo posted...

There is literally no reason TO believe the existence of a god.

There is no hypothesis that can be improved by factoring the existence of a god into your evidence.

You do realize God can exist separate from science, right? You could argue that God gave humans the capability to understand science, so factoring His existence into hypotheses would be nonsensical.

buddhamonster posted...

I see your Pascal's wager, and raise you an Epicurus quote:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Check. Your move.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe."

2 Peter 3:3-13 - "Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells."

tl;dr - Satan is currently the god on this earth. God is waiting to see who His true followers are.

Your move, sir.
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If I believe in God and he doesn't exist, I'll have flushed my life down the toilet in fear of victimless crimes.
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What is your evidence for the existence of a deity?
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Something something pascals wager.
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Literally the exact opposite of the title is true

Mernardi posted...

Which religion though? You've got about 1 in a couple 1000 shot of picking the correct one if you go with this logic.

Actually it's more like, 1 in 4300. And that's not even considering dead religions. Pretty shitty odds.
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so what about the humans who lived before the bible? are they doomed forever because God chose not to send Jesus down?
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To be an Atheist is to view 100% of religion the way everyone else views 99% of religion, yet people act like it is such a shocking difference
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the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water

well we know this is wrong
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Then by that logic there is literally no reason not to believe in Bigfoot
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Electrokinesis posted...

au_gold posted...

If you don't believe in God and He does exist, He will smite you for all eternity in the afterlife.

I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the pope himself has said this isn't true.

>Listening to anything that heretic says

anyway, I'm a deist: I believe in a god, but not the God of the bible. There are a lot of issues with your reasoning

-There are thousands of religions and no way of knowing that one is more correct than the other since all run on faith-based logic and not empirical evidence.

-The belief-set on the afterlife is inconsistent. Some religious figures have stated that good people in general are accepted into heaven. If hell isn-t the case for non-believers, then Pascal's Wager can be reversed: "Why believe in God?" etc.

-People should care about Religion since it's used to manipulate society's laws to the extent where it sometimes leads laws that authoritarian in nature to be passed. This is related to a belief in God: If your religion tells you to chastise Atheists and has a set of morals or codes in its scriptures that allow people to be discriminated against, then that has a negative effect on society because it goes against the values that treat humans as equal.
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1. You can't have faith by deciding it yourself. If you just brainwash yourself, its not faith, because you will have lots of doubts in your mind, whether you admit it or don't. Forcing yourself into church without actual faith is same as not going.

2. What about people who live in places where there is no Christianity? What if you are handicapped so you don't even understand what religion is or most words at all? Those people had zero chance and its not their fault, do they now deserve eternal punishment for something that was in no way in their control?
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au_gold posted...

If you don't believe in God and He does exist, He will smite you for all eternity in the afterlife.

If you do believe in God and He does exist, then you're good because you had faith.

If you do believe in God and He doesn't exist, then who cares, you'll be dead anyway.

Checkmate atheists.

God can't be a woman!? DISGUSTING!!!
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buddhamonster posted...

I see your Pascal's wager, and raise you an Epicurus quote:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Check. Your move.

life is a game
god is the creator
he knows everything about the game and can pull up stats

we're just players
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KnightofShikari posted...

so what about the humans who lived before the bible? are they doomed forever because God chose not to send Jesus down?

Men on earth before Jesus were saved in much the same way we are today.

Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is the first prophecy of the first coming of the Messiah, "her seed" being Christ, and "thy seed" being sin. "thou shalt bruise his heel" refers to the crucifixion of Jesus, and "it shall bruise thy head" refers to Satan's inevitable demise. An injury to the heel will heal in time, but an injury to the head is fatal.

This faith in God and the promise that he would send a redeemer is what saved them, and our faith in God and belief that he has sent a redeemer is what saves us. When the children of Israel were in the Wilderness, God gave Moses the guidelines of a sinless life. The purpose of the Law of Moses was to show them that they couldn't live a perfect life, and to lead them to the realization that they needed a savior. The Passover was symbolic of Christ's sacrifice, the Israelites were to kill a lamb without spot or blemish and apply the blood to their doorposts. It had to be spotless to symbolize Christ's purity, and the blood was to represent the blood Christ shed, which is metaphorically applied to us when we are saved.

all hail Cthulhu
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How can you not believe in God, when God is a noun? There are no other nouns above him, he is the highest noun.

au_gold posted...

You do realize God can exist separate from science, right? You could argue that God gave humans the capability to understand science, so factoring His existence into hypotheses would be nonsensical.

I don't think you understand my point.

If factoring God into hypotheses does not make them any more accurate, then the question of whether he exists or not is moot, because the answer to that question tells you nothing about the universe.

Therefore, there is no reason to believe in him.
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I have a nice solution to the entire problem i can up with one day while I was bored doing housework, it's a series of steps in mental logic and acceptance of some commonly held beliefs about life, the universe, and everything.

1. The universe is infinite.
2. If you accept that the universe is infinite, then there are infinite possibilities.
3. If you accept that the universe is infinite and that there are infinite possibilities., that means through odds of probability that everything possible happens.
4. If everything possible happens, then it must happen everywhere at all times.
5. If everything is happening everywhere at all times, then there must be something that determines what things actually do happen at any given time.
6. If there's something determining what actually does happen against what doesnt, then there's some kind of control over the universe.
7. If there's something controlling the universe, it must have some kind of level of intelligence or design or plan to ensure that the things that do happen, happen in a logical sequence that doesnt result in the end of the universe, or loss of control over things happening.

So yeah, whether it's some unknown scientific law, or some kind of actual god can't be determined, because whatever controls how the universe works, is outside of our ability to perceive or measure it. Now it might not be that way forever, and someday that controlling force might be discovered, and sometime after that it might be understood. I personally believe that since whatever is controlling things has some kind of intelligence, formula, or pattern to how it's doing things, it won't want to be discovered, and therefore wont be. After all, if that force is keeping the unbridled chaos of infinite possibility in check, then the possibility of it never being found is one it could simply choose to make happen.

tl;dr

Something is controlling how the universe works, but it's more like a manager deciding what does happen against what doesnt, than some kind of omnipotent god.
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didnt read anything but op

yaaaawn pascals wager????
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buddhamonster posted...

I see your Pascal's wager, and raise you an Epicurus quote:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Check. Your move.

thats why he's supposedly god

we arent able to comprehend his MO cuz we are mere mortals
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"I will give you absolutely no evidence of my existence, but you better believe in me or else."
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au_gold posted...

If you don't believe in God and He does exist, He will smite you for all eternity in the afterlife.

That is not necessarily the case, depending on which god you choose to believe in. However, if it's the harsh, ultra-orthodox God you implied in your post, then even believing in him probably doesn't bode well for you; I'm pretty much damned no matter what. Especially if I lied about my belief in him (which, IIRC, is pretty big sin).

au_gold posted...

If you do believe in God and He does exist, then you're good because you had faith.

Except, as I mentioned above, it depends on the God and if it's the Christian God that is definitely not enough to get to heaven.

au_gold posted...

If you do believe in God and He doesn't exist, then who cares, you'll be dead anyway.

Except then you spent all the time considering if what you feel is right or wrong is actually right or wrong.

I mean, you can lie and pretend you believe in God if you don't, but if you do that, you are screwed anyway. If you try and decieve yourself, you stress yourself out and then are damned for lying anyway. It's better to just believe what you believe, try to be a good person, and if you have to answer for your life in the end, just don't have anything to be ashamed of.

l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

To be an Atheist is to view 100% of religion the way everyone else views 99% of religion, yet people act like it is such a shocking difference

Great quote
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I dont believe in 3000 gods. You dont believe in 2999.
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I remember Pascal's Wager from college philosophy class! Boy am I smart! Of course I am! I voted for Hillary didn't I?

By the way, my favorite is Ockham's Razor, "the simplest solution is usually the best!". Always got a kick outta that one! Boy I feel like Socrates! I'm going to Starbucks and getting me a latte (served to me by a barista with a masters degree in philosophy)!
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Psycho_Poodle posted...

I remember Pascal's Wager from college philosophy class! Boy am I smart! Of course I am! I voted for Hillary didn't I?

By the way, my favorite is Ockham's Razor, "the simplest solution is usually the best!". Always got a kick outta that one! Boy I feel like Socrates! I'm going to Starbucks and getting me a latte (served to me by a barista with a masters degree in philosophy)!

you should apply this sass and criticism to your own opinion and posting style

And what if we pick the wrong religion? Every week we're just making God madder and madder.
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Cartwheel_Kick posted...

Psycho_Poodle posted...

I remember Pascal's Wager from college philosophy class! Boy am I smart! Of course I am! I voted for Hillary didn't I?

By the way, my favorite is Ockham's Razor, "the simplest solution is usually the best!". Always got a kick outta that one! Boy I feel like Socrates! I'm going to Starbucks and getting me a latte (served to me by a barista with a masters degree in philosophy)!

you should apply this sass and criticism to your own opinion and posting style

Found the post-grad Starbucks employee.
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"There is literally no reason to believe in God"

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Heres one valid reason that stands above all others for not believing in god:

Common sense
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I believe in some sort of afterlife, but don't believe in there being some divine maker.
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