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The Admiral
04/07/17 12:37:57 AM
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http://www.scarymommy.com/trigger-warnings-are-necessary/

Nine years ago, my best friend came to stay with me for the weekend. As soon as she pulled into my driveway, I hopped in her car and we were off. She lives over five hours away, and our time together is sacred.

This particular evening we went to go see a psychic, then hit Walmart for supplies so we could craft all weekend. About two minutes after we walked through the sliding doors, I saw two teenage boys running in the opposite direction. They were weaving in and out of the candy displays which were placed at the end of the aisles and kept checking back over their shoulders.

My friend and I turned to watch them, and I opened my mouth to say, “What the fuck are they doing?” Only I never got the sentence all the way out of my mouth. A Walmart employee appeared out of nowhere, yelling at everyone to run to the nearest exit.

My friend and I didn’t even hesitate. We ran. We were only yards from the doors, but it felt like it took us forever to get there. The sound of a man’s voice blasting in my right ear, screaming he had a gun and he was going to shoot, changed me.

As soon as we entered the parking lot, we were both in complete shock. We had no idea where our car was, and I am pretty sure no one else did either. Car alarms were going off by the hundreds. People were pushing their panic buttons in desperation to find their vehicle and get the hell out of dodge.

Everyone made it out okay — not one person was physically harmed. The man did have a gun, but it was not loaded. He just “wanted to have a little fun that night,” he later told police. (Yeah, he was a real piece of shit.)

To this day, I still can not go into Walmart. And for years after the incident, crowded spaces made me almost hyperventilate, I had difficulty swallowing, especially if I was alone with my children. My anxiety would make me feel panicked, uncomfortable, and constantly on edge.

And so last weekend, when my family and I went to see Les Miserables and I saw the sign on the door warning the audience that there would be simulated gunfire, I was prepared. I appreciated that sign so much. I needed to be able to steel myself ahead of time and also make a game plan for a quick exit, if needed.

I wasn’t the only grateful one. So were other people, some of whom had to get up and leave during that scene, but the beautiful thing was, they were still able to enjoy the play. It was not something I would’ve noticed had I not been in Walmart that Friday night almost a decade ago.

Before this experience, I never fully understood how valuable having trigger warnings could be. I had no idea what it felt like to be paralyzed with fear over something that happened in the past. That mentally you could shut down because you couldn’t cope with the situation. That you would have tunnel vision and a ringing in your ears, unable to process your surroundings any longer. That sheer panic could overtake your body and literally leave you exhausted for days after an episode.


This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.
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Alucard188
04/07/17 12:39:56 AM
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Trigger warnings are just PTSD. That's what they suffer from.
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chill02
04/07/17 12:40:39 AM
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scarymommy

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TheGoldenEel
04/07/17 12:41:20 AM
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The Admiral posted...

This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.

you could have posted an example that didn't make it sound completely reasonable
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GODTIER
04/07/17 12:41:23 AM
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Frantically running for the nearest exit isn't even a good survival strategy for an active shooter.
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Drasilor
04/07/17 12:43:00 AM
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loafy013
04/07/17 12:44:00 AM
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This particular evening we went to go see a psychic

And with this, why would I trust anything else they had to say about life experience.
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Runeboggle
04/07/17 12:44:09 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...

This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.

you could have posted an example that didn't make it sound completely reasonable

This. Seriously, this is reasonable.
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UnfairRepresent
04/07/17 12:45:55 AM
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This is actually pretty reasonable... A sign on the door of a play said "This has simulated gunfire" and because of that some people enjoyed the play more.


There is like.... no reason to be angry about that what so ever
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Gamer99z
04/07/17 12:45:57 AM
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The Admiral posted...
http://www.scarymommy.com/

Seems like a valid and notable source...
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The Admiral
04/07/17 12:46:03 AM
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Runeboggle posted...
TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...

This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.

you could have posted an example that didn't make it sound completely reasonable

This. Seriously, this is reasonable.


I knew some of you would actually think that.
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BoobsAreMurder
04/07/17 12:46:23 AM
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honestly I agree. People need to stop making college into some big thing. Most people just want to take whatever classes and sit in the back and take notes. Rape victims for instance don't need to relive their rape for some 101 sociology class.
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TheGoldenEel
04/07/17 12:47:57 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Runeboggle posted...
TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...

This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.

you could have posted an example that didn't make it sound completely reasonable

This. Seriously, this is reasonable.


I knew some of you would actually think that.

can you explain why it's not, and who things like this hurt?


like, when trigger warnings are used to stifle discussion in an academic context, it's a problem, but how is this notably different from, say, a warning saying strobe lights will be used? or is that ridiculous too iyo?
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KobeSystem
04/07/17 12:48:52 AM
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Yea I was in here grtting ready to shit on some trigglys

Then I read the story >.>
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The Admiral
04/07/17 12:49:32 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...
Runeboggle posted...
TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...

This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.

you could have posted an example that didn't make it sound completely reasonable

This. Seriously, this is reasonable.


I knew some of you would actually think that.

can you explain why it's not, and who things like this hurt?


like, when trigger warnings are used to stifle discussion in an academic context, it's a problem, but how is this notably different from, say, a warning saying strobe lights will be used? or is that ridiculous too iyo?


A strobe light warning isn't because people will be "triggered," it's because people may have seizures.
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TheGoldenEel
04/07/17 12:50:19 AM
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The Admiral posted...

A strobe light warning isn't because people will be "triggered," it's because people may have seizures.

is PTSD (which is what this story is about) not a medical condition iyo?
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UnfairRepresent
04/07/17 12:51:11 AM
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KobeSystem posted...
Yea I was in here grtting ready to shit on some trigglys

Then I read the story >.>

The worst part is the rest of the article is actually pretty silly, arguing that you shouldn't mock or question trigger warnings because people need them to cope and it's wrong to make fun of "Triggered" people.



But TC ignored that part, and only quoted the exampe, then whined about that. And that example was completely inoffensive and reasonable.

He pulled embarrasing himself out of jaws of making fun of an easy target. That's hilariously pathetic.
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The Admiral
04/07/17 12:51:28 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...

A strobe light warning isn't because people will be "triggered," it's because people may have seizures.

is PTSD (which is what this story is about) not a medical condition iyo?


Trigger warnings don't actually help people with real PTSD according to all the research that's been done.
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The Admiral
04/07/17 12:53:31 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
He pulled embarrasing himself out of jaws of making fun of an easy target. That's hilariously pathetic.


So is the way this sentence is written. Maybe spend less time trying to make people think you sound smart and more time making a smart point.
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Darmik
04/07/17 12:59:24 AM
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This isn't even complaining about the lack of one. It's appreciating that one is there. What's the issue?

Besides knowing America the sign probably wasn't solely put there for PTSD lol
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teepan95
04/07/17 12:59:25 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...

This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.

you could have posted an example that didn't make it sound completely reasonable

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UnfairRepresent
04/07/17 12:59:29 AM
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I made several smart points, you ignored them all to cry like a baby because someone made fun of you.

And now I realize you're The Admiral it explains it all.

I already pointed out:

UnfairRepresent posted...
This is actually pretty reasonable... A sign on the door of a play said "This has simulated gunfire" and because of that some people enjoyed the play more.


There is like.... no reason to be angry about that what so ever


And

UnfairRepresent posted...

The worst part is the rest of the article is actually pretty silly, arguing that you shouldn't mock or question trigger warnings because people need them to cope and it's wrong to make fun of "Triggered" people.

But TC ignored that part, and only quoted the exampe, then whined about that. And that example was completely inoffensive and reasonable.



Which are valid points. Ones you've evaded all topic and will continue to evade.

You're literally angry and trying to get everyone else annoyed that someone enjoyed a play more because it had "This contains simulated gunfire" on a door.

And then on top of that ignoring the part of the article that was actually egregious entirely.

It's pretty pathetic how you had a sitting duck and then shot yourself. And I will laugh at you for it

haha
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TheGoldenEel
04/07/17 1:01:11 AM
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The Admiral posted...
TheGoldenEel posted...
The Admiral posted...

A strobe light warning isn't because people will be "triggered," it's because people may have seizures.

is PTSD (which is what this story is about) not a medical condition iyo?


Trigger warnings don't actually help people with real PTSD according to all the research that's been done.

source

i've seen it said that it doesn't help people with PTSD confront the root of their problems by encouraging them to avoid discussion that involves their cause

BUT a play is not the place for them to be confronting it anyway
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The Admiral
04/07/17 10:51:51 AM
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You're literally angry and trying to get everyone else annoyed that someone enjoyed a play more because it had "This contains simulated gunfire" on a door.


I'm going to interrupt your desperate tangent to seem smart here by kindly pointing out that the gunfire warning before plays is not a trigger warning -- it's an actual health warning for people with real medical conditions.
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ChromaticAngel
04/07/17 10:58:15 AM
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Trigger warnings tend to make things worse long-term because they don't help people learn how to cope with their problems. They're useful for people who are in the process of learning how to cope, but relying on them to help you avoid anything negative in life is a bad idea, both socially and for your own personal mental health. If you have triggers where you freak out, you need to see a therapist / psychiatrist and get help. A trigger warning isn't help.
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3rd_Best_Master
04/07/17 11:01:30 AM
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Of course trigger warnings are completely reasonable. For instance, without a trigger warning some Christian fundie might accidentally go and see the new Beauty and the Beast movie and accidentally catch a glimpse of a homosexual.
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Ampelas
04/07/17 11:03:48 AM
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The Admiral posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
He pulled embarrasing himself out of jaws of making fun of an easy target. That's hilariously pathetic.


So is the way this sentence is written. Maybe spend less time trying to make people think you sound smart and more time making a smart point.

Take your own advice.
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hockeybub89
04/07/17 11:05:02 AM
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I've never understood the issue with trigger warnings, which are basically just "Viewer discretion is advised." They affect you in no way and cost basically nothing to include. Is this about "principle"?
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Bio1590
04/07/17 11:07:44 AM
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Do you think he has all these sites bookmarked or does he browse a website that "compiles" all these news stories in order to make people like Admiral rage?
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The Admiral
04/07/17 11:11:23 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Do you think he has all these sites bookmarked or does he browse a website that "compiles" all these news stories in order to make people like Admiral rage?


This is actually explained in the OP, if you weren't too lazy to read beyond the title in your race to post an impotent insult.
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3rd_Best_Master
04/07/17 11:11:23 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Do you think he has all these sites bookmarked or does he browse a website that "compiles" all these news stories in order to make people like Admiral rage?

It is pretty curious how a dude obsessed with calling out fake news is browsing a site called scarymommy.com in order to dig up some talking points.
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GOOMFalse
04/07/17 11:16:06 AM
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why didnt the psychic warn them about the walmart incident? I'd get my momey back
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Melonfarms
04/07/17 11:16:42 AM
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The sign at the play is completely reasonable.
The one thing that doesn't add up to me is how this would help this particular girl. She says there was no actual shooting. The gun wasn't loaded. How could you be "triggered" by gunfire or simulated gunfire if you never actually experienced it? It sounds like you would have to make the conscious decision to be panicked at loud noises because you didn't actually hear it.
Sounds like she worked herself up after an event where she was never in any actual danger.
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Antifar
04/07/17 11:16:44 AM
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The Admiral posted...
This is actually explained in the OP, if you weren't too lazy to read beyond the title

This is something you do all the damn time, man.
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The Admiral
04/07/17 11:19:48 AM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Of course trigger warnings are completely reasonable. For instance, without a trigger warning some Christian fundie might accidentally go and see the new Beauty and the Beast movie and accidentally catch a glimpse of a homosexual.


Not sure what point you think you're making here. Are you saying that trigger warnings for homosexual content are justified because some religious people are offended by that, or are you saying those warnings are stupid in all cases?
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Bio1590
04/07/17 11:20:59 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Do you think he has all these sites bookmarked or does he browse a website that "compiles" all these news stories in order to make people like Admiral rage?


This is actually explained in the OP, if you weren't too lazy to read beyond the title in your race to post an impotent insult.

That is literally you to a fucking T lmao.

I'm actually surprised you're still showing your face in this topic. Usually when people call you on your bullshit you run and hide and pretend it never happened.
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V-E-G-Y-
04/07/17 11:22:16 AM
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Ampelas
04/07/17 11:23:41 AM
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V-E-G-Y- posted...
Lol what is admiral doing in a site called scary mommy xD

The guy lives a pretty sad existence
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hockeybub89
04/07/17 11:25:07 AM
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The Admiral posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Of course trigger warnings are completely reasonable. For instance, without a trigger warning some Christian fundie might accidentally go and see the new Beauty and the Beast movie and accidentally catch a glimpse of a homosexual.


Not sure what point you think you're making here. Are you saying that trigger warnings for homosexual content are justified because some religious people are offended by that, or are you saying those warnings are stupid in all cases?

Who cares if they are stupid? As long as you aren't federally mandated to have 10 pages of trigger warnings at the beginning of everything, who gives a fuck? If you want to choose to warn people about something, then go do that.
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Balrog0
04/07/17 11:28:49 AM
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the thing is, if we're talking about actual PTSD victims, there isn't going to be an easy and categorical way to protect them from their triggers. They are entirely personal. It's plausible that she could get triggered by gun shots even if she never heard them during her traumatic event - though I don't think it that is the norm - but there are people who get triggered by seeing envelopes (it takes them back to when they found their fathers suicide note) or sitting in traffic (got in a car crash) or getting touched on the shoulder (reminder of when the paramedics found her). How do you make rules to protect people from that?

Trigger warnings for material that is just controversial are a separate thing imo
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Balrog0
04/07/17 11:29:50 AM
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also, it is true that PTSD is treated by exposure to said triggers, but like golden eel said that is typically part of an actual therapeutic session or at least in some way a guided exercise. It's not something you do every time you want to go to a movie or show necessarily
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Giant_Aspirin
04/07/17 11:30:29 AM
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The Admiral posted...
This has been making the social media rounds. This is what some people actually believe.


yeah, it's pretty crazy what some people believe, isn't it? crazies all over the place.

it's also pretty crazy how a bunch of Eastern Europeans created literal fake news and it spread like wildfire among a certain demographic via social media during the election. ya know?
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Questionmarktarius
04/07/17 11:33:16 AM
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After all, "simulated gunfire" isn't too incredibly different in intent than "TVMA DLSV"
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Vertania
04/07/17 11:35:26 AM
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Melonfarms posted...
She says there was no actual shooting. The gun wasn't loaded. How could you be "triggered" by gunfire or simulated gunfire if you never actually experienced it?

This

Also, avoiding Walmart for 9 years because of one incident isn't exactly logical. The odds of that happening again at any given Walmart are just as bad as any other place. She needs therapy.
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VandorLee
04/07/17 11:36:31 AM
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There should be a warning about how boring this story is.
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The Admiral
04/07/17 11:42:58 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Do you think he has all these sites bookmarked or does he browse a website that "compiles" all these news stories in order to make people like Admiral rage?


This is actually explained in the OP, if you weren't too lazy to read beyond the title in your race to post an impotent insult.

That is literally you to a fucking T lmao.

I'm actually surprised you're still showing your face in this topic. Usually when people call you on your bullshit you run and hide and pretend it never happened.


"You got me, but let me try to save face by insulting you for the same thing I just did! "
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hockeybub89
04/07/17 11:49:29 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
After all, "simulated gunfire" isn't too incredibly different in intent than "TVMA DLSV"

They are both stupid bullshit, but I'd love if everything was just unrated with an optional warning beforehand. Drop a warning and then show all the delicious uncensored content you can. At least the trigger warnings crowd just wants to protect themselves. This person doesn't want to eliminate simulated gunfire from entertainment. They just want to know so they can leave or know it's coming.
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Mal_Fet
04/07/17 11:50:09 AM
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She went to a musical about the French Revolution and wasn't aware there'd be guns

lol
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