Poll of the Day > So time to go to war with Syria?

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Hey time for the US to warmonger another country for no apparent reason.
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Assad is using isis to make his support stronger
and saudia arabia, qutar and duban supported them all places that get free military stuff from the the u.s.!!!!
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Judgmenl posted...

Hey time for the US to warmonger another country for no apparent reason.

yeah nothing wrong at all with a dictator dropping chemical weapons on innocent civilians, just let that happen. it's the natural order of things

Judgemenl would've been alright with it if we'd just launched 60 missiles at a transgender-only nation.

Remember what happened after Saddam Hussein was toppled?

bernieflanders posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Hey time for the US to warmonger another country for no apparent reason.

yeah nothing wrong at all with a dictator dropping chemical weapons on innocent civilians, just let that happen. it's the natural order of things

The US has been dropping bombs on Syria for years.
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Judgmenl posted...

Hey time for the US to warmonger another country for no apparent reason.

It's been a while for me so I just want to ask, what's the weather like in 2014?
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Judgmenl posted...

bernieflanders posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Hey time for the US to warmonger another country for no apparent reason.

yeah nothing wrong at all with a dictator dropping chemical weapons on innocent civilians, just let that happen. it's the natural order of things

The US has been dropping bombs on Syria for years.

then what the fuck are you bitching about lol

bernieflanders posted...

Judgmenl posted...

bernieflanders posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Hey time for the US to warmonger another country for no apparent reason.

yeah nothing wrong at all with a dictator dropping chemical weapons on innocent civilians, just let that happen. it's the natural order of things

The US has been dropping bombs on Syria for years.

then what the fuck are you bitching about lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/375609403376144384?lang=en

Assuming Assad's regime dropped these weapons (there's not been an independent inquiry and I wouldn't put it past western officials to lie about it for their own means anyway) then I agree, morally at least, something needs to be done. The problem is that going to war for a valid reason doesn't mean anything if you have no plan with how you are going to do things. I thought invading Afghanistan was the right thing but, due to having no plan for after the initial victory, the place is still in chaos.

Whether this leads to an actual invasion is another matter of course. A few bombing raids though are merely an inconvenience to Assad though so I don't really see how effective they'll be on their own.

Here's the thing though, if the grand plan is to overthrow Assad then what will they do afterwards? The rebels are hopeless and contain multiple terrorist groups who are not better than ISIS so they are not fit to govern. Enforcing democracy on Middle Eastern countries has an awful track record. I just don't see how this will work. I may agree with sentiment but that's not enough to stabilise Syria.

I asked for news about the chemical attack on reddit - was immediately downvoted

Yeah, let's just go to war - who cares about reality even when it's real!
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And South Korea may drop missiles on North Korea.

War everywhere omg
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Not until he gets Congressional approval, just like he said back in 2013 that the president "needs Congressional approval". Oh wait, that only applies to Obama, not himself...
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most of the country is isis
there are some rebel pockets closer to the cities but they got bombed by russia and assad controls all the main high ways out

we know assad used chemical weapons because we sold him the ones we found in libya
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RoboXgp89 posted...

most of the country is isis
there are some rebel pockets closer to the cities but they got bombed by russia and assad controls all the main high ways out

we know assad used chemical weapons because we sold him the ones we found in libya

Stop posting.

whoops!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/Cacciato posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

most of the country is isis
there are some rebel pockets closer to the cities but they got bombed by russia and assad controls all the main high ways out

we know assad used chemical weapons because we sold him the ones we found in libya

Stop posting.

same thing with saddum he made the entire worlds chemical weapons then we said it was illegal and a few months later he goes to take back/punish kuwait for treason
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and another
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-approved-sending-libya-sarin-syrian-rebels.html
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No, I mean you really need to stop posting before you make yourself look worse than you do already.

I'm honestly curious how much the president has to do with these sorts of things, and it being the generals bullying around the president to do what they want.
Presidents changing hasn't seem to have done anything different.

videogamefiles posted...

Assuming Assad's regime dropped these weapons (there's not been an independent inquiry and I wouldn't put it past western officials to lie about it for their own means anyway) then I agree, morally at least, something needs to be done. The problem is that going to war for a valid reason doesn't mean anything if you have no plan with how you are going to do things. I thought invading Afghanistan was the right thing but, due to having no plan for after the initial victory, the place is still in chaos.

This. This is the big problem.

I was as horrified as anyone back when Syria was still a fresh conflict. But the problem - which Obama seemed cognizant of - is that the worst possible thing you can do is a half-assed solution where you just bomb the place flat, then step back and hope democracy springs up.

Assad is a motherfucker who butchers hundreds of thousands of his own citizens. Dude desperately needs to be taken out. (Almost) no one disputes this, regardless of political affiliation. The problem, which everyone should be asking, is "What next"? Who replaces him? Because the next-strongest faction in Syria are the radical Islamist rebels. The more moderate rebels have been decimated by both the government and Russia and aren't in any condition to take over (and even if they are, they're freedom fighters - that doesn't automatically make them good governors).

If you're going to go in and depose Assad, fine, grand. But you better be able to finish the job, and that means staying afterwards and caretaking a peaceful transfer of power in a heavily-polarized land that has never known democracy. The US bungled that badly in Iraq, NATO did only marginally better in Afghanistan, so I don't hold out much hope that Syria will be handled any better.

If that proposition sounds bad to you and you're not willing to spend the significant amount of money (and lives) it will take to secure that future, the best option is probably to stay out. Destroying Assad will destabilize the country and, unless an external actor comes in to ensure stability, that could very well wind up being an even worse option.
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NERD!!!

j/k
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TyVulpine posted...

Not until he gets Congressional approval, just like he said back in 2013 that the president "needs Congressional approval". Oh wait, that only applies to Obama, not himself...

he did specifically say obama in that tweet though.
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because WE FUCKING BOUGHT IT FROM THEM!!!
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bernieflanders posted...

Judgmenl posted...

Hey time for the US to warmonger another country for no apparent reason.

yeah nothing wrong at all with a dictator dropping chemical weapons on innocent civilians, just let that happen. it's the natural order of things

This. For all the bad America has done over the years, intentional or not, this is a pretty open-shut case where interference is the morally just thing to do.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

And Bush is still a fucking dipshit regardless of whatever clever meme people try to make.
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shadowsword87 posted...

I'm honestly curious how much the president has to do with these sorts of things, and it being the generals bullying around the president to do what they want.
Presidents changing hasn't seem to have done anything different.

I don't know how much bullying would be required to see that attack was justified.
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Erik_P posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

And Bush is still a fucking dipshit regardless of whatever clever meme people try to make.

lol
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