Poll of the Day > So I guess we attacked Syria today

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/world/middleeast/us-said-to-weigh-military-responses-to-syrian-chemical-attack.html
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Wth
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sweet

Trump determined to stop anyone from saying he wasn't a worse president than W

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Trump determined to stop anyone from saying he wasn't a worse president than W

yeah you're right we should just let assad continue to drop chemical weapons on innocent civilians

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Trump determined to stop anyone from saying he wasn't a worse president than W

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

lol get rekt
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ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

Did we now?
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according to that article there are people praising him doing it and it was in response to the syrians using chemical weapons on their own people.
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ssj4supervegeta posted...

according to that article there are people praising him doing it and it was in response to the syrians using chemical weapons on their own people.

Which I would say is a valid reason for this kind of response
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Mead posted...

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

Did we now?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/scary-fact-america-dropped-26171-bombs-7-countries-2016-18961

By the way, I'm not defending Trump. I'm not a fan. I'm just saying.

I wonder how much each of those missiles costs.
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$1.6m / tomahawk

So how long until Russia steps in?

helIy posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Trump determined to stop anyone from saying he wasn't a worse president than W

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

lol get rekt

Yes, we've been bombarding Syria for a long time now. Of course, people only seem to care when Trump does it.
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Cacciato posted...

$1.6m / tomahawk

Good thing we didn't overdo it and launch 13,000 then.
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Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Trump determined to stop anyone from saying he wasn't a worse president than W

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

lol get rekt

Yes, we've been bombarding Syria for a long time now. Of course, people only seem to care when Trump does it.

People also claimed that Obama was doing nothing about Syria.

So which is it?
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Mead posted...

Cacciato posted...

$1.6m / tomahawk

Good thing we didn't overdo it and launch 13,000 then.

To be fair I don't think it was that many tomahawks. Nowadays I think those are typically launched from sea vessels. Those stupid little 500 pounders that get dropped at only like 2 grand a piece. I'd have to see how much the guided ones cost but I don't imagine they're more than like 50 grand.

Edit: so a JDAM, which I remember is using in Iraq, is apparently only about 25k per unit

Also since the media uses the term 'air strike' as an umbrella term it's hard to interpret what actually happened.

Dropped missiles? No wonder nothing got done!
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ESMWjot posted...

Mead posted...

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

Did we now?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/scary-fact-america-dropped-26171-bombs-7-countries-2016-18961

By the way, I'm not defending Trump. I'm not a fan. I'm just saying.

Huh. You learn something new every day. I'm not a Trump fan either but I was wondering why my Facebook was suddenly blowing up with people talking about World War 3. Overreaction much?

Pretty sad considering that in 2013, Trump tweeted the president "needs Congressional approval" before attacking Syria. Did he get that approval before attacking?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373146637184401408

TyVulpine posted...

Pretty sad considering that in 2013, Trump tweeted the president "needs Congressional approval" before attacking Syria. Did he get that approval before attacking?

He meant presidents that are not him
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knivesX2004 posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373146637184401408

XD

He's so funny

Sure, we've bombed syria in the past, but isnt this a 180 from shit trump said just yesterday?

Also, today I saw a sketch of trump with stereotypical Jewish features(nose, etc)...is the alt right turning on their master?

Few days ago he said Assad wasn't a priority. Trump just says a lot of stuff. Louis C.K. is right when in saying Trump is a sack of lying shit.
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ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

As far as I know those missiles were directed against ISIS and other Islamist groups operating in Syria; this is the first time the US directly targeted Syrian government forces.
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Yeah, thats seems to be the point people talking about the bombs we dropped last year are missing.

those were against isis or to "fight terror"

this was directly against the syrian government. so it makes sense people would care more now ya know.

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

The missiles we dropped before weren't 57 motherfucking tomahawks at once, aimed at a military instilation of a government we weren't even (technically) at war with. The missile strikes last year were targeted primarily at ISIS.

Furthermore, he did it without congressional approval, and he announced it after he did it. These are things a dictator does.

Ya, democratically elected dictator
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@Lokarin posted...

Ya, democratically elected dictator

You realize a LOT of dictators start out democratically elected, right? Adolf Hitler, Robert Mugabe, and Ferdinand Marcos were all democratically elected, and not in sham elections either. The majority of their countries made the decision to vote for them (ironically the biggest difference between their rise to power and Trump's).

How someone comes into power does not have any bearing on whether or not they will be a dictator. I'm pretty certain Germans said that Hitler wasn;t a dictator because he was democratically elected as well, right before giving a Sieg Heil.

Jarsky2 posted...

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

The missiles we dropped before weren't 57 motherfucking tomahawks at once, aimed at a military instilation of a government we weren't even (technically) at war with. The missile strikes last year were targeted primarily at ISIS.

Furthermore, he did it without congressional approval, and he announced it after he did it. These are things a dictator does.

them being tomahawks doesn't really matter. they all do the same thing: indiscriminately explode.

them being targeted primarily at isis doesn't mean all were, and they were still shot at syria.

furthermore, obama did them without congressional approval as well. don't cherry pick, call obama a dictator too.
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helIy posted...

Jarsky2 posted...

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

The missiles we dropped before weren't 57 motherfucking tomahawks at once, aimed at a military instilation of a government we weren't even (technically) at war with. The missile strikes last year were targeted primarily at ISIS.

Furthermore, he did it without congressional approval, and he announced it after he did it. These are things a dictator does.

them being tomahawks doesn't really matter. they all do the same thing: indiscriminately explode.

them being targeted primarily at isis doesn't mean all were, and they were still shot at syria.

furthermore, obama did them without congressional approval as well. don't cherry pick, call obama a dictator too.

I don;t think you have a great grasp on modern weapons.

The fact that they were tomohawks does matter. Certain types of missiles are, in fact, easier to direct where they will wind up exploding, as well as containing the destruction to what you want exploded. Tomahawks are for when you don;t care what blows up, you just want to blow shit up. Plus, while it is not as important, Tomohawks are LUDICROUSLY expensive. That's why we don't use them very often.

You're right, they weren't all shot at ISIS, but they were all shot at terrorist cells. We have never attacked the Syrian government directly before now.

Actually, yes, he did, by precedent. Congress had already approved acts of aggression against the terrorist organizations targetted. They have never approved attacks on the Syrian government because attacking Assad directly is just asking for WWIII.

Jarsky2 posted...

You're right, they weren't all shot at ISIS, but they were all shot at terrorist cells. We have never attacked the Syrian government directly before now.

and they never shot their own people with chemical warfare before now, either. keep in mind that that's a violation of international law.

things change.

Jarsky2 posted...

Actually, yes, he did, by precedent. Congress had already approved acts of aggression against the terrorist organizations targetted

yep. that's exactly why everyone bitched that he wasn't getting approval before okaying drone strikes.
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darkknight109 posted...

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

As far as I know those missiles were directed against ISIS and other Islamist groups operating in Syria; this is the first time the US directly targeted Syrian government forces.

Specifically, the chemical weapons production facilities and the depots at the airfields where they're stored. Just so it's clear what the targets were.

YahooPoster posted...

Few days ago he said Assad wasn't a priority. Trump just says a lot of stuff. Louis C.K. is right when in saying Trump is a sack of lying shit.

Trump publicly stated that the nerve gas attack caused him to change his view on Assad. Probably the closest you'll get to Trump saying he was wrong about Assad needing to go.

Zurriah posted...

ESMWjot posted...

Mead posted...

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

Did we now?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/scary-fact-america-dropped-26171-bombs-7-countries-2016-18961

By the way, I'm not defending Trump. I'm not a fan. I'm just saying.

Huh. You learn something new every day. I'm not a Trump fan either but I was wondering why my Facebook was suddenly blowing up with people talking about World War 3. Overreaction much?

There are Russian military personnel stationed at those bases, working alongside Assad's forces. Them getting killed in the strikes, and Putin getting pissed off about it, is what the concern is about.
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helIy posted...

Jarsky2 posted...

You're right, they weren't all shot at ISIS, but they were all shot at terrorist cells. We have never attacked the Syrian government directly before now.

and they never shot their own people with chemical warfare before now, either. keep in mind that that's a violation of international law.

things change.

Jarsky2 posted...

Actually, yes, he did, by precedent. Congress had already approved acts of aggression against the terrorist organizations targetted

yep. that's exactly why everyone bitched that he wasn't getting approval before okaying drone strikes.

Um... yes they did. Assad has been attacking his own people with all manner of illegal weapons for years. Where the fuck have you been for almost the past decade?

Those people were right-ish. It's a very gray area, but he managed to remain juuuust on the legal side of things. Honestly, do you really think if Obama violated the constitution the republicans wouldn;t have jumped on the chance to impeach him? Not defending Obama for using it, but to say he did something illegal isn't technically accurate. Plus, to get congressional approval we would have to declare war, which would require acknowledging ISIS as a sovereign nation. No one wants that. Well, except ISIS.

For once Trump is in the right. A message had to be sent to Syria.

All these clueless children crying about "WWIII" are being fucking ridiculous. They're not crying because of the bombing, they're crying because Trump is the one that did it. They'd be crying no matter what he did.
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Jarsky2 posted...

Um... yes they did. Assad has been attacking his own people with all manner of illegal weapons for years. Where the fuck have you been for almost the past decade?

not caring is where i've been tbh

besides that, russia is the ones who were supposed to be preventing this kind of things from happening. they failed. in 2013 syra was ordered to surrender any and all chemical weapons to russia.

moreover, the UN pretty much ignored the fact that they used sarin nerve gas, which, again, is illegal to use. like everywhere.
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ozzyman314 posted...

For once Trump is in the right. A message had to be sent to Syria.

All these clueless children crying about "WWIII" are being fucking ridiculous. They're not crying because of the bombing, they're crying because Trump is the one that did it. They'd be crying no matter what he did.

Syria belongs to Russia. If we go to war with Syria, which we very well might now, Russia will get involved.

helIy posted...

Jarsky2 posted...

Um... yes they did. Assad has been attacking his own people with all manner of illegal weapons for years. Where the fuck have you been for almost the past decade?

not caring is where i've been tbh

besides that, russia is the ones who were supposed to be preventing this kind of things from happening. they failed. in 2013 syra was ordered to surrender any and all chemical weapons to russia.

moreover, the UN pretty much ignored the fact that they used sarin nerve gas, which, again, is illegal to use. like everywhere.

So instead of doing the, I don;t know, SANE thing, like looking for a diplomatic solution before going to fullscale war, we just go from 0 to Iraq War 2.0?

Jarsky2 posted...

helIy posted...

Jarsky2 posted...

Um... yes they did. Assad has been attacking his own people with all manner of illegal weapons for years. Where the fuck have you been for almost the past decade?

not caring is where i've been tbh

besides that, russia is the ones who were supposed to be preventing this kind of things from happening. they failed. in 2013 syra was ordered to surrender any and all chemical weapons to russia.

moreover, the UN pretty much ignored the fact that they used sarin nerve gas, which, again, is illegal to use. like everywhere.

So instead of doing the, I don;t know, SANE thing, like looking for a diplomatic solution before going to fullscale war, we just go from 0 to Iraq War 2.0?

We already did the diplomatic thing. Assad was told to turn over all chemical weapons after the last time he gassed a town, which he claimed he did. Then he gassed a town again, and claimed it couldn't be his forces because he got rid of his weapons, so the rebels had to have done it. He's also been using chlorine gas for a while.

How many times will you insist on the "diplomatic thing" before you realize Assad doesn't give a shit about anything besides maintaining control of Syria? The only way to keep someone like him in line is to threaten that control. And the only way to do that with him is to take away the means by which he maintains that control, which he will never give up willingly.
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

helIy posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Trump determined to stop anyone from saying he wasn't a worse president than W

ESMWjot posted...

We dropped over 12k missiles on Syria last year.

This is nothing new, so idk why people are so scared now.

lol get rekt

Yes, we've been bombarding Syria for a long time now. Of course, people only seem to care when Trump does it.

People also claimed that Obama was doing nothing about Syria.

So which is it?

Do you ever get sick of your silly strawmans? Not even hardcore Republicans claimed that Obama wasn't doing anything about Syria; instead, their complaints was that he either wasn't doing enough or handling it tactically.

TyVulpine posted...

Pretty sad considering that in 2013, Trump tweeted the president "needs Congressional approval" before attacking Syria. Did he get that approval before attacking?

Considering that we've been operating in Syria for years, that's kind of a moot point now.

YahooPoster posted...

Few days ago he said Assad wasn't a priority. Trump just says a lot of stuff. Louis C.K. is right when in saying Trump is a sack of lying shit.

Somehow you missed a connecting thought in there somehow. That or you just don't understand how things *can* change in general. We could say that anything is a top priority today but, if aliens landed, suddenly those priorities go out the window.
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argonautweakend posted...

Yeah, thats seems to be the point people talking about the bombs we dropped last year are missing.

those were against isis or to "fight terror"

this was directly against the syrian government. so it makes sense people would care more now ya know.

Actually, most of our efforts in the region were aimed at toppling Assad which included arming rebels who used their weapons directly against Assad's forces.Those weapons generally weren't going "to fight terror" and, in many cases, ended up in the hands of ISIS affiliates who were also against the Syrian government.

Plus, for bombings not aimed at attacking the Assad regime, a "surprising" number of attacks hit Assad's forces.

Jarsky2 posted...

You realize a LOT of dictators start out democratically elected, right? Adolf Hitler, Robert Mugabe, and Ferdinand Marcos were all democratically elected, and not in sham elections either. The majority of their countries made the decision to vote for them (ironically the biggest difference between their rise to power and Trump's).

Supposedly Hitler wasn't actually elected when he first got in. A professor gave me some long explanation about a coalition government or something. But whatever, let's just say he was elected because Chavez was also elected and that guy was a monstrous dictator as well. As for Trump being a dictator, he hasn't even done a fraction of the stuff Obama did (although he might, because each president is an extension of the previous one) and you never called Obama a dictator.
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Ugh. I really wish we would just stay out of these other countries shit. I'm tired of it.

Jarsky2 posted...

Furthermore, he did it without congressional approval, and he announced it after he did it. These are things a dictator does.

Oh god. Change the record please.
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No, you missed the point. Trump has no idea what he is saying most of the time. He just says a lot of stuff and hopes it sticks. He has a fanbase that eats that stuff up, anyways.

I'm waiting for him to come out and say no one knew this Syria problem was so complicated.

Everyone fucking knew, Donnie. Just like with healthcare you dumbass.
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What if I don't actually care that we did attack Syria?
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"We"? I'm sorry. But as an Australian I'm.... part of the country that's the biggest brown noser of America.... :/
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TheGreatNoodles posted...

"We"? I'm sorry. But as an Australian I'm.... part of the country that's the biggest brown noser of America.... :/

I think Israel probably has you beat.

ozzyman314 posted...

For once Trump is in the right. A message had to be sent to Syria.

All these clueless children crying about "WWIII" are being fucking ridiculous. They're not crying because of the bombing, they're crying because Trump is the one that did it. They'd be crying no matter what he did.

Reminds me of how certain people did the same with Obama.
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Geez some of the ignorance in this thread. If you do not know anything regarding a topic then why even comment? Ridiculous. I'm only speaking of a few posters, but the one that finally made me post was the one that said we should "sanely" find a diplomatic solution to Assad.......you know, the guy that uses chemical weapons against his own people........because that's sane right?

So glad we attacked. Many ignorant people don't even know that Syria has been home to genocide for a very long time. America is great, but it really blows that the ignorant, uneducated, and often delusional commoners all get to speak their minds recklessly on topics they probably have never encountered, researched or even heard of.