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Saloonist
04/06/17 3:34:58 PM
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"I think what Assad did is terrible. I think what happened in Syria is one of the truly egregious crimes. It shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't be allowed to happen," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One. "I think what happened in Syria is a disgrace to humanity. He's there, and I guess he's running things, so something should happen."
Earlier Thursday, Trump told some members of Congress that he is considering military action in Syria in retaliation for the chemical attack, and recognizes the seriousness of the situation, a source familiar with the calls told CNN.


Assad's about to get it maybe. Most likely just a few punitive airstrikes that won't really change much, I'd bet. But maybe he'll get it.



http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-options/index.html?adkey=bn
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Iodine
04/06/17 3:35:33 PM
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Isn't Assad aligned with Putin?
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Coffeebeanz
04/06/17 3:37:27 PM
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There are no right answers in Syria

Assad should've been deposed when we had the chance, but now ISIS would fill the power vacuum too quickly
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E32005
04/06/17 3:37:27 PM
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and thenwhat? a nice big power vacuum for ISIS to fill

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Saloonist
04/06/17 3:40:55 PM
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E32005 posted...
and thenwhat? a nice big power vacuum for ISIS to fill

wonderful

I really doubt there'll be anything substantial.

Most likely they'll bomb some of his forces and declare that he's been punished.

Some Senators are calling for grounding his airforce. That'll probably make his people suffer, but I doubt it will ultimately change much on the ground. Assad's stronger now than he was when Obama issued his red line.
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Coffeebeanz
04/06/17 3:44:51 PM
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Syria is one of the few blatant foreign policy failures of the last administration. That said, I don't think military intervention is in America's best interest, even if it is ethically justified.
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darkphoenix181
04/06/17 3:54:27 PM
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Iodine posted...
Isn't Assad aligned with Putin?


yea we going to war with Russia

how ironic would that be?

even more ironic is the democrats will be the ones most upset and against such war despite all the clamor about the elections and afraid Trump would let Putin do whatever he wants
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RebelElite791
04/06/17 3:56:58 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Iodine posted...
Isn't Assad aligned with Putin?


yea we going to war with Russia

how ironic would that be?

even more ironic is the democrats will be the ones most upset and against such war despite all the clamor about the elections and afraid Trump would let Putin do whatever he wants

How is that ironic? Do you think that "hey maybe we shouldnt let Russia work with one of our candidates to help him win" = "we want war with russia!"?

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darkphoenix181
04/06/17 4:04:11 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...

How is that ironic? Do you think that "hey maybe we shouldnt let Russia work with one of our candidates to help him win" = "we want war with russia!"?

f*** off


the rhetoric is Russia very bad (true) and should pay and even Hillary said she would do certain things that would escalate tensions with Putin and that was all fine and dandy she was so smart

then you got the media parade of evil Russia combined with months of rhetoric about how Putin will now rampage through Europe unchecked because Trump is his puppet

and yet now if Trump actually decides to strongly punish him or go against his interests like here which could lead to war, of course that is not ironic to you because you have no self-awareness
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TheVipaGTS
04/06/17 4:05:41 PM
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I thought he liked Assad.
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frozenshock
04/06/17 4:07:17 PM
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I guess Putin wants a new lapdog in Syria
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3rd_Best_Master
04/06/17 4:08:02 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...

How is that ironic? Do you think that "hey maybe we shouldnt let Russia work with one of our candidates to help him win" = "we want war with russia!"?

f*** off


the rhetoric is Russia very bad (true) and should pay and even Hillary said she would do certain things that would escalate tensions with Putin and that was all fine and dandy she was so smart

then you got the media parade of evil Russia combined with months of rhetoric about how Putin will now rampage through Europe unchecked because Trump is his puppet

and yet now if Trump actually decides to strongly punish him or go against his interests like here which could lead to war, of course that is not ironic to you because you have no self-awareness

So if Hillary is a warmonger then what does that make Trump if he decides to go to war over Syria?
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RebelElite791
04/06/17 4:23:39 PM
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Its hilarious how Trump and his team are talking so casually about possible military conflict with Syria and North Korea but the Trumpanzees who whined about how Hillary would cause WW3 are silent
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/06/17 4:27:44 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
There are no right answers in Syria

Assad should've been deposed when we had the chance, but now ISIS would fill the power vacuum too quickly


Annexing the country and running it ourselves for the next few decades but that's so unpalatable to most people and neigh unthinkable globally, especially with Russia's interest over there.


Anyways, I thought Hillary was going to lead us into war? (Inverse but Hillary)
What happened to the isolationist, anti-globalist Trump?
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Fart_Tzar
04/06/17 4:31:17 PM
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I'd rather the devil we know in syria, than what happened with Iraq.

We shouldn't have been arming the "rebels" aka religious extremists from the start.
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Mmmmlibtears
04/06/17 4:34:38 PM
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Great, because the occupation of Iraq has gone just swimmingly the last 16 fucking years.

We will NEVER FUCKING LEARN, if you get involved with the middle east, you're gonna have a bad time. So fucking sick of middle east drama forcing the rest of the world to get involved with their never ending bullshit.
This is NOT our fight. I'm now on board the "Fuck Trump" train, lying sack of shit specifically said we won't get involved in middle eastern bullshit. I'm done. Fucking DONE with politics
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FlashOfLight
04/06/17 4:36:09 PM
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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darkphoenix181
04/06/17 4:38:04 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Its hilarious how Trump and his team are talking so casually about possible military conflict with Syria and North Korea but the Trumpanzees who whined about how Hillary would cause WW3 are silent


the user who just got done saying it totally wouldn't be ironic if Trump went to war with Russia and he was uspet about it ladies and gentleman (who totally backed Hillary)
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ModLogic
04/06/17 4:40:42 PM
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DragonGirlYuki
04/06/17 4:43:12 PM
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Syria is not our fight. We should just mind our own business as getting involved will only make things worse given what happened in past conflicts.
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darkphoenix181
04/06/17 4:46:03 PM
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just a refresher

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zone-third-debate_us_58084280e4b0180a36e91a53

Now consider your view today on intervention as opposed to what it was during the election. Did you flip flop or stay consistent?
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spudger
04/06/17 4:47:14 PM
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i dont remember her talking about it and i didnt vote for her, regardless.
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RebelElite791
04/06/17 6:26:08 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Its hilarious how Trump and his team are talking so casually about possible military conflict with Syria and North Korea but the Trumpanzees who whined about how Hillary would cause WW3 are silent


the user who just got done saying it totally wouldn't be ironic if Trump went to war with Russia and he was uspet about it ladies and gentleman (who totally backed Hillary)

...literally what?
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MaverickXeo
04/06/17 6:28:11 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Its hilarious how Trump and his team are talking so casually about possible military conflict with Syria and North Korea but the Trumpanzees who whined about how Hillary would cause WW3 are silent


North Korea and Syria are very 'small' compared to Russia. The US could engage in attack with either nation with very little concern. Going after Russia, though, would be trouble.
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RebelElite791
04/06/17 6:29:22 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Its hilarious how Trump and his team are talking so casually about possible military conflict with Syria and North Korea but the Trumpanzees who whined about how Hillary would cause WW3 are silent


North Korea and Syria are very 'small' compared to Russia. The US could engage in attack with either nation with very little concern. Going after Russia, though, would be trouble.

And Hillary was never going to go to war with fucking Russia

And no, military action against NK would result in the deaths of lots of NK SK and Japanese civilians
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Kombucha
04/06/17 6:31:37 PM
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spudger posted...
i dont remember her talking about it and i didnt vote for her, regardless.


I take it you didn't watch the debates.
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MaverickXeo
04/06/17 6:32:44 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Its hilarious how Trump and his team are talking so casually about possible military conflict with Syria and North Korea but the Trumpanzees who whined about how Hillary would cause WW3 are silent


North Korea and Syria are very 'small' compared to Russia. The US could engage in attack with either nation with very little concern. Going after Russia, though, would be trouble.

And Hillary was never going to go to war with fucking Russia

And no, military action against NK would result in the deaths of lots of NK SK and Japanese civilians


NK has no military strength, really. It may result in some deaths in Japan, SK, and NK, but primarily, the world will be 'fine.'

Didnt Hilary claim to want to 'stand up' to Putin and Russia? It may not have been a direct threat of war, but it was still a threat.
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darkphoenix181
04/06/17 6:36:36 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...

Didnt Hilary claim to want to 'stand up' to Putin and Russia? It may not have been a direct threat of war, but it was still a threat.


she was to implement a no fly zone which means shoot down Russian planes over Syria

I linked the article above

it was also a very big talking point of her campaign

I believe she had other things in mind too and Putin basically threatened war if she won
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MaverickXeo
04/06/17 6:38:05 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...

Didnt Hilary claim to want to 'stand up' to Putin and Russia? It may not have been a direct threat of war, but it was still a threat.


she was to implement a no fly zone which means shoot down Russian planes over Syria

I linked the article above

it was also a very big talking point of her campaign


So basically, she was pushing for a war. Why was this not openly discussed more?



...Oh right, Trump said something 'sexist' years ago in private company. A way bigger deal.
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darkphoenix181
04/06/17 6:39:13 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...

Didnt Hilary claim to want to 'stand up' to Putin and Russia? It may not have been a direct threat of war, but it was still a threat.


she was to implement a no fly zone which means shoot down Russian planes over Syria

I linked the article above

it was also a very big talking point of her campaign


So basically, she was pushing for a war. Why was this not openly discussed more?



...Oh right, Trump said something 'sexist' years ago in private company. A way bigger deal.


It was discussed

Trump supporters loved to say it

you mean why did people like Rebel forget or pretend it didn't happen? I mean that answer is very obvious


but are you ok with war now? seems you wouldn't like war if Hillary was the one doing it?
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Saloonist
04/06/17 7:58:29 PM
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I seriously doubt Hillary Clinton was threatening war with Russia because of MAAD.

She may have called for a no-fly zone, but that obviously doesn't mean she would support shooting down Russian aircraft if they tried to enter the zone.
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Zeus
04/06/17 10:53:28 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
There are no right answers in Syria

Assad should've been deposed when we had the chance, but now ISIS would fill the power vacuum too quickly


There may be no right answers, but I think we've tried just about every wrong one. In general, I'm not sure why we're bothering to get involved at all. We refused to step in during genocides, yet now we're entangling ourselves in a mess where our efforts can only make things worse.

Saloonist posted...
She may have called for a no-fly zone, but that obviously doesn't mean she would support shooting down Russian aircraft if they tried to enter the zone.


That's pretty much how no-fly zones work. If there's no enforcement mechanism, then a rule or law really doesn't exist.
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Saloonist
04/06/17 10:58:23 PM
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Zeus posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
There are no right answers in Syria

Assad should've been deposed when we had the chance, but now ISIS would fill the power vacuum too quickly


There may be no right answers, but I think we've tried just about every wrong one. In general, I'm not sure why we're bothering to get involved at all. We refused to step in during genocides, yet now we're entangling ourselves in a mess where our efforts can only make things worse.

Saloonist posted...
She may have called for a no-fly zone, but that obviously doesn't mean she would support shooting down Russian aircraft if they tried to enter the zone.


That's pretty much how no-fly zones work. If there's no enforcement mechanism, then a rule or law really doesn't exist.


And so her idea of a no-fly zone might just be unworkable. Or else she'd work out a diplomatic resolution with the Russians so they stay out of the no-fly zone.

But there is literally no chance that she would threaten to shoot down Russian planes if they defied the no-fly zone.
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MaverickXeo
04/06/17 11:27:03 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
MaverickXeo posted...

Didnt Hilary claim to want to 'stand up' to Putin and Russia? It may not have been a direct threat of war, but it was still a threat.


she was to implement a no fly zone which means shoot down Russian planes over Syria

I linked the article above

it was also a very big talking point of her campaign


So basically, she was pushing for a war. Why was this not openly discussed more?



...Oh right, Trump said something 'sexist' years ago in private company. A way bigger deal.


It was discussed

Trump supporters loved to say it

you mean why did people like Rebel forget or pretend it didn't happen? I mean that answer is very obvious


but are you ok with war now? seems you wouldn't like war if Hillary was the one doing it?


I would support a lack of wars, but if there has to be a war, Id prefer a much smaller one; not one with a huge military power.

Basically, lesser of two evils.
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darkphoenix181
04/07/17 12:48:20 PM
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no fly zone means you can't fly over the place without risk of being shot down
if that risk isn't there, then you can't call it a no fly zone

no-fly zone
ˌnō ˈflī ˌzōn/
noun
noun: no-fly zone; plural noun: no-fly zones

a designated area over which aircraft may not fly without risk of interception, especially during a conflict.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fly_zone
A no-fly zone (or no-flight zone) (NFZ) is a territory or an area over which aircraft are not permitted to fly. Such zones are usually set up in a military context, somewhat like a demilitarized zone in the sky, and usually prohibit military aircraft of a belligerent power from operating in the region. Aircraft that break the no-fly zone may be shot down, depending on the terms of the NFZ.

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