Current Events > What do conservatives plan to do about automation?

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I know what I'm going to do about automation. I'm going to enjoy the convenience and cheaper products.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

CableZL posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

now you're the one who needs to give it a rest

I'm not the one struggling to word his posts properly.

neither am i

Except you're using "self-checkout lane" in place of "self-checkout machine" repeatedly when they aren't the same thing. In a discussion about words and what they mean and what they are/aren't, I'd say it's important to word your post properly.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

this is just pathetic now

Feel free to point out what part of that is incorrect. Otherwise, I'd expect you to word your posts properly if we're going to continue to talk about words and their meanings.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

in other words, you know i'm right so you are just cherrypicking the only part of my argument left that you can actually try to refute

No, I've said repeatedly that a self-checkout machine is most definitely a robot since it is a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically. Just like a router is a robot, a switch is a robot, and a firewall is a robot.

However, calling them "self-checkout machine robots" or "router robots" or "switch robots" or "firewall robots" makes you sound dumb because that's redundant, which is what DarkDragon400's point was. Simply calling something a "self-checkout machine" is enough for the average person to understand that you're refering to a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically. Same for a router, switch, or a firewall, at least for those who actually understand what those are.
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Funny enough, even proudclad (a very conservative poster) solution to this was basically socialism lol.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

and i do not dispute that. however it also makes you sound dumb because 99.99% of the time the word "robot" is used in common parlance, it refers to a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically that is humanlike or humanoid in appearance or function. that's what most people will think of when the word robot is used. do you understand what connotation is?

Do you have a source for that 99.99% statistic? Or are you just making that up?
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DuranOfForcena posted...

my source is not being out of touch with reality

you should try it

So you're just making it up, then

Good to know
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literally 100+ posts arguing if a checkout machine is a robot
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DifferentialEquation posted...

I know what I'm going to do about automation. I'm going to enjoy the convenience and cheaper products.

what do you do for a living?
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how bout those extremely necessary coal mining jobs?
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youngfossil posted...

Why is everyone arguing over schematics and semantics instead of the issue?

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JRaasin posted...

Logos posted...

i am always amazed at how ignorant most people are on what automation does to the cost of wages and productivity. fear mongering about automation is one of the stupidest things you can do.

@Logos how does it work then?

have you tried thinking for yourself before asking questions?

automation has historically lowered the cost of goods and services. it will continue to do that for the foreseeable future. we are a good deal away from the majority of jobs being automated. prices for everything will drop over time, as it becomes cheaper and less labor intensive to maintain your current standard of living.
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Logos posted...

orically lowered the cost of goods and services. it will continue to do that for the foreseeable future. we are a good deal away

hmm maybe, current climate of corporations tend not to pass the savings to the consumer. It also doesnt help the fact that next the big automation is trucking whis is A LOT of job. Cheaper food wont make up the difference.
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youngfossil posted...

hmm maybe, current climate of corporations tend not to pass the savings to the consumer.

But, that's how Walmart killed Wards and Sears, and how Amazon is currently killing Walmart.

youngfossil posted...

Logos posted...

orically lowered the cost of goods and services. it will continue to do that for the foreseeable future. we are a good deal away

hmm maybe, current climate of corporations tend not to pass the savings to the consumer. It also doesnt help the fact that next the big automation is trucking whis is A LOT of job. Cheaper food wont make up the difference.

stuff is getting cheaper and better all the time. computers, smartphones, televisions, cars, etc. you can find higher quality stuff for less money now, and that will continue to be the case. as automation continues, company profits will go higher but prices will go lower too. they'll have to if the companies want people who are working less to keep buying their shit.

anyone who fear mongers about automation is fucking stupid.
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Logos posted...

stuff is getting cheaper and better all the time. computers, smartphones, televisions, cars, etc. you can find higher quality stuff for less money now, and that will continue to be the case.

Seriously. Go look at an old Radio Shack catalog sometime.
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/

Logos posted...

youngfossil posted...

Logos posted...

orically lowered the cost of goods and services. it will continue to do that for the foreseeable future. we are a good deal away

hmm maybe, current climate of corporations tend not to pass the savings to the consumer. It also doesnt help the fact that next the big automation is trucking whis is A LOT of job. Cheaper food wont make up the difference.

stuff is getting cheaper and better all the time. computers, smartphones, televisions, cars, etc. you can find higher quality stuff for less money now, and that will continue to be the case. as automation continues, company profits will go higher but prices will go lower too. they'll have to if the companies want people who are working less to keep buying their shit.

anyone who fear mongers about automation is fucking stupid.

I feel you havent been shopping lately. What higher quality stuff cause less thanks to automation in the last 10 years?

Again that still wont make up for the HUGE lose of jobs in the service industry. It wont go down cheap enough. It's like you're ignoring this point
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Even if (thats a big IF) things get cheaper and its not going to happen in time a shit ton of people lose their jobs
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by self checkout lane he obviously meant the automated register, like everyone else who calls it a self checkout lane

which is a robot btw

shut up

I'm gonna be a robot designer.
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Fuck over the poor some more.
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hockeybub89 posted...

I want to know how Republicans suggest someone working a low skill job in inner city Atlanta or rural Kansas is going to just up and get a better job with all that money they don't have to move or afford higher education.

Damn_Underscore posted...

People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.

People didn't want to deal with metal horses either. Some people still think the Internet is pointless.

The world moves right on past them.

You're so naive, anyway maybe people in that situation should go get an apprenticeship as a plumber or AC man or literally anything like that. They won't though because they are too lazy and don't want to work hard.
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WorstFanEver posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I want to know how Republicans suggest someone working a low skill job in inner city Atlanta or rural Kansas is going to just up and get a better job with all that money they don't have to move or afford higher education.

Damn_Underscore posted...

People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.

People didn't want to deal with metal horses either. Some people still think the Internet is pointless.

The world moves right on past them.

You're so naive, anyway maybe people in that situation should go get an apprenticeship as a plumber or AC man or literally anything like that. They won't though because they are too lazy and don't want to work hard.

Yes, but then what happens those kinds of things are the only option. Then you have a market over saturated with those jobs which drives down the value of the labor. IE then you'll have a ton of people with HVAC degrees that won't be able to pay off their loans because they won't be able to get work, and what work they get won't pay much because of the glut of HVAC guys on the market.
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ScazarMeltex posted...

WorstFanEver posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I want to know how Republicans suggest someone working a low skill job in inner city Atlanta or rural Kansas is going to just up and get a better job with all that money they don't have to move or afford higher education.

Damn_Underscore posted...

People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.

People didn't want to deal with metal horses either. Some people still think the Internet is pointless.

The world moves right on past them.

You're so naive, anyway maybe people in that situation should go get an apprenticeship as a plumber or AC man or literally anything like that. They won't though because they are too lazy and don't want to work hard.

Yes, but then what happens those kinds of things are the only option. Then you have a market over saturated with those jobs which drives down the value of the labor. IE then you'll have a ton of people with HVAC degrees that won't be able to pay off their loans because they won't be able to get work, and what work they get won't pay much because of the glut of HVAC guys on the market.

I don't really think that's the case to be honest, as someone who worked there way up through the construction industry there's never really enough people. I remember being on 200 man crews and still working 18 hr shifts because we were running out of time. Owners of building projects want the project to be done as fast as possible and are willing to spend as much as possible for the job to get done, hence why it's easy enough for the sub contractors to be willing to work their guys an exorbitant amount of overtime even though it costs 1.5 times more. So honestly If just the construction industry was "over saturated" I think everything would remain the same or even you would see an increase in construction jobs considering that most of the owners trying to get things built have an almost unlimited amount of money to put in to it and also would be happy to splash more cash if it means there investment would get done quicker and they were able to start making a return on it faster. As far as the maintenance side of building operations, I do agree it might be a bit harder no to saturate the market, however those have always been positions that are sought after and it has always been a cut throat industry which only the best of the best make it in since it has to do a lot with getting things done on time to make the biggest profit you can, and without the huge amounts of hours you get to do things in like contruction it's really hard unless you have someone on top of their game. One final note is that the construction and maintenance industries work hand in hand. More construction equals more maintenance which means you would need to hire more in both sectors.
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