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JRaasin
04/06/17 1:08:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU


It's easy to ignore automation right now, it's only replacing low-end jobs like cashiers and baristas. But what happens 10, 20, 50 years down the line when software bots replace your white collar desk job? What happens when they replace doctors and lawyers? How are you going to make a living without some sort of UBI or welfare? I've seen some conservatives say "oh the job market will adapt, it always has". But how? Are we going to regulate automation and force companies to employ actual people? If not, who is going to hire you when a robot can do your job better and cheaper?
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Antifar
04/06/17 1:09:35 PM
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JRaasin posted...
It's easy to ignore automation right now, it's only replacing low-end jobs like cashiers and baristas.

There are some underlying premises to this sentence that I do not share
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GODTIER
04/06/17 1:09:36 PM
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i dont think a robot would make a good lawyer
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Doom_Art
04/06/17 1:09:46 PM
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Deny it'll happen.

Or deny that it will affect anything severely.
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Damn_Underscore
04/06/17 1:11:35 PM
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People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.
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ReignFury
04/06/17 1:13:01 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.


Say stuff like this
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JRaasin
04/06/17 1:13:26 PM
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GODTIER posted...
i dont think a robot would make a good lawyer


well obviously the T-9000 isn't going to be arguing in court anytime soon, but like 90% of what lawyers do can be easily automated. Do you know how much time goes into searching for past court cases to find precedents to establish a defense?

Antifar posted...
JRaasin posted...
It's easy to ignore automation right now, it's only replacing low-end jobs like cashiers and baristas.

There are some underlying premises to this sentence that I do not share


like what
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hockeybub89
04/06/17 1:15:26 PM
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I want to know how Republicans suggest someone working a low skill job in inner city Atlanta or rural Kansas is going to just up and get a better job with all that money they don't have to move or afford higher education.

Damn_Underscore posted...
People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.

People didn't want to deal with metal horses either. Some people still think the Internet is pointless.

The world moves right on past them.
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JRaasin
04/06/17 1:16:21 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.


ok, let's talk about the distant future then

technology is only going to get better. Old people don't like to deal with robots, as new generations are born it'll just be accepted as the norm.

Even if you don't think it's gonna happen, just humor me, for the sake of argument. what happens then?
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Damn_Underscore
04/06/17 1:16:37 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.

automation =/= robots

do you call the self-checkout lane at your local grocery store a robot?


It is a robot.

But why do you think the lines with human cashiers are still full even though they have the self-checkout lanes in most grocery stores now?
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Mal_Fet
04/06/17 1:21:17 PM
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Remember when people were worried about this same shit 60 years ago?

No, of course you don't.
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Damn_Underscore
04/06/17 1:21:48 PM
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JRaasin posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
People on reddit exaggerate how much automation is going to take over jobs in the near future, even jobs like cashiers.

People don't like to deal with robots.


Even if you don't think it's gonna happen, just humor me, for the sake of argument. what happens then?


Even if robots do take over basic jobs, they won't replace doctors and lawyers. If anything they will aid those workers, like they already do now.
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Iodine
04/06/17 1:21:57 PM
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Bootstraps.
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Damn_Underscore
04/06/17 1:22:56 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
It is a robot.

no it's not


Yes it is. What is your definition of a robot?
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Damn_Underscore
04/06/17 1:24:51 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
It is a robot.

no it's not


Yes it is. What is your definition of a robot?

the dictionary's definition of robot

what is yours?


same
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CableZL
04/06/17 1:26:02 PM
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ro·bot
noun
a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.
synonyms:automaton, android, golem; More
(especially in science fiction) a machine resembling a human being and able to replicate certain human movements and functions automatically.
synonyms:automaton, android, golem; More
used to refer to a person who behaves in a mechanical or unemotion
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hockeybub89
04/06/17 1:26:33 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Remember when people were worried about this same shit 60 years ago?

No, of course you don't.

Automated kiosks, factory robots, and self-driving vehicles were happening/being developed 60 years ago?

We will need to decide if we want technological advancement or if we want to hold on to low-skilled/unskilled labor just because humans need to work.
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Gojak_v3
04/06/17 1:26:39 PM
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I'm more interested to hear what liberals are gonna do. It's easy to say universal basic income. The fact is if you give every man woman and child 20K a year that's 6.4 trillion dollars a year. That's just about double what the federal government takes in in a year. I'd love to hear how they are gonna swing that. Not to mention 20k is likely not enough.
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CableZL
04/06/17 1:27:42 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
CableZL posted...
ro·bot
noun
a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.
synonyms:automaton, android, golem; More
(especially in science fiction) a machine resembling a human being and able to replicate certain human movements and functions automatically.
synonyms:automaton, android, golem; More
used to refer to a person who behaves in a mechanical or unemotion


Yes, "robot" has multiple definitions. The one I bolded fits the idea of what automation is.
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JRaasin
04/06/17 1:27:46 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Remember when people were worried about this same shit 60 years ago?

No, of course you don't.


well i wasn't alive 60 years ago so idk

i'm actually interested in what your position on this if you would like to explain it without being a sarcastic ass
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CableZL
04/06/17 1:29:39 PM
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au·to·ma·tion
noun
the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.


A machine that is "capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer" would definitely be something that fits automation's definition.
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Questionmarktarius
04/06/17 1:31:00 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
The fact is if you give every man woman and child 20K a year that's 6.4 trillion dollars a year. That's just about double what government takes in in a year.

Then, just hand out 12K, to adult citizens.
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DarkDragon400
04/06/17 1:31:05 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
CableZL posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
CableZL posted...
ro·bot
noun
a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.
synonyms:automaton, android, golem; More
(especially in science fiction) a machine resembling a human being and able to replicate certain human movements and functions automatically.
synonyms:automaton, android, golem; More
used to refer to a person who behaves in a mechanical or unemotion


Yes, "robot" has multiple definitions. The one I bolded fits the idea of what automation is.

yeah but the one i bolded and underlined is what the word "robot" carries the connotation of 99.99% of the time in common parlance, and has for decades

whether you or anyone else likes it or not, "robot" is now the word used to refer to humanoid or human-like machines, not any other types of machines

Not really.
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CableZL
04/06/17 1:31:25 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
yeah but the one i bolded and underlined is what the word "robot" carries the connotation of 99.99% of the time in common parlance, and has for decades

whether you or anyone else likes it or not, "robot" is now the word used to refer to humanoid or human-like machines, not anything else


No, people refer to automated phone trees as robots all the time. When I did tech support, I got tons of complaints about "having to talk to a robot to get through to a human."
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Damn_Underscore
04/06/17 1:31:33 PM
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Would you call R2-D2 a robot or not?
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hockeybub89
04/06/17 1:31:49 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
I'm more interested to hear what liberals are gonna do. It's easy to say universal basic income. The fact is if you give every man woman and child 20K a year that's 6.4 trillion dollars a year. That's just about double what ALL government (state and federal) takes in in a year. I'd love to hear how they are gonna swing that. Not to mention 20k is likely not enough.

It will be a huge undertaking that will take years to figure out, but when the alternative is just less jobs and more unemployment, you can't just sit on your hands. The worst thing we could do is argue like a bunch of petulant children over partisan bullshit.
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JRaasin
04/06/17 1:31:57 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
I'm more interested to hear what liberals are gonna do. It's easy to say universal basic income. The fact is if you give every man woman and child 20K a year that's 6.4 trillion dollars a year. That's just about double what ALL government (state and federal) takes in in a year. I'd love to hear how they are gonna swing that. Not to mention 20k is likely not enough.


you're right. I don't really identify as a liberal but I assume their argument is that automation will increase overall wealth, and you don't need to pay every man women and child, just the people who automation has displaced. But then the problem arises where there's no incentive for people to go into skilled work that robots can't do if they can just sit around and collect welfare. But at least UBI is a plan that acknowledges that automation is going to be a problem whereas conservatives just seem to deny it will happen (as evidenced by this thread).
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NinjaBreakfast
04/06/17 1:32:32 PM
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I think eventually even staunch conservatives will realise that to prop automation powered capitalism up they will need to start dishing out a living income to people. Either that or people can go starve and die and not pump money into automated businesses, i guess!!
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CableZL
04/06/17 1:33:15 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
they are merely anthropomorphizing the voice out of ignorance and familiarity


Still, lots of people refer to them as robots whether you like it or not.
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Giant_Aspirin
04/06/17 1:33:18 PM
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Gojak_v3 posted...
I'm more interested to hear what liberals are gonna do. It's easy to say universal basic income. The fact is if you give every man woman and child 20K a year that's 6.4 trillion dollars a year. That's just about double what the federal government takes in in a year. I'd love to hear how they are gonna swing that. Not to mention 20k is likely not enough.


i like the idea of putting a tax on every robot that a business employs and that tax will be used to fund the worker(s) displaced by said robot.
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youngfossil
04/06/17 1:34:05 PM
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Why is everyone arguing over schematics instead of the issue?
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Damn_Underscore
04/06/17 1:34:58 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
I'm more interested to hear what liberals are gonna do. It's easy to say universal basic income. The fact is if you give every man woman and child 20K a year that's 6.4 trillion dollars a year. That's just about double what the federal government takes in in a year. I'd love to hear how they are gonna swing that. Not to mention 20k is likely not enough.


i like the idea of putting a tax on every robot that a business employs and that tax will be used to fund the worker(s) displaced by said robot.


Well taxing robots is a great way for automation never to happen.
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youngfossil
04/06/17 1:35:04 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
youngfossil posted...
Why is everyone arguing over schematics instead of the issue?

i loled

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Neo7
04/06/17 1:35:47 PM
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TC completely overestimates that people are competent with technology and can exist without a large IT department supporting said tech.
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CableZL
04/06/17 1:36:07 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
because the voice to them is humanoid or humanlike. that's how they perceive it and that's why they are doing it. it still fits the common parlance of the word.


And an automated phone tree also fits the definition of robot that I bolded as well as automation.

Robot:
a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.
- Yup, an automated phone tree fits this definition.

Automation:
the use of largely automatic equipment in a system of manufacturing or other production process.
- Yup, an automated phone tree fits this definition
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NinjaBreakfast
04/06/17 1:36:10 PM
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youngfossil posted...
Why is everyone arguing over schematics instead of the issue?

Right wingers dont want to admit they just want poor displaced people to go die out of sight lol!


One of my friends thinks every job will just get replaced by a maintenance job...as if that wouldn't be totally uneconomical and pointless as well as unrealistic lol
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Giant_Aspirin
04/06/17 1:37:46 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
Gojak_v3 posted...
I'm more interested to hear what liberals are gonna do. It's easy to say universal basic income. The fact is if you give every man woman and child 20K a year that's 6.4 trillion dollars a year. That's just about double what the federal government takes in in a year. I'd love to hear how they are gonna swing that. Not to mention 20k is likely not enough.


i like the idea of putting a tax on every robot that a business employs and that tax will be used to fund the worker(s) displaced by said robot.


Well taxing robots is a great way for automation never to happen.


only if the tax makes the cost of the robots more than the cost of the humans.
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CableZL
04/06/17 1:38:30 PM
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Hell, even in my line of work, I deal primarily with robots. Routers, switches, and firewall are essentially just robots. They're machines capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically. I just program them to tell them what to do, when to do it, etc.
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Questionmarktarius
04/06/17 1:39:05 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
i like the idea of putting a tax on every robot that a business employs and that tax will be used to fund the worker(s) displaced by said robot.

Move the robo-factories to Bangladesh, you say?
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