Poll of the Day > The slowest ARPG ever might be the most influential

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Lokarin 04/04/17 4:03:01 PM #1:	It influenced Zelda, Ys, Hydlide and a number of other early games... That game is!!! ~~Tower of Druaga~~ --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:876532801] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>It influenced Zelda, Ys, Hydlide and a number of other early games... That game is!!! Tower of Druaga</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/04/17 4:08:32 PM #2:	Zelda isn't an RPG. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876533138] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/04/17 4:11:30 PM #3:	Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876533331] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> <quote>A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]</quote> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 04/04/17 4:27:28 PM #4:	Muffinz0rz posted... You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. Under that definition the majority of games are RPGs, rendering the term useless. Edit: even most visual novels qualify like that... --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:876534416] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote> You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> Under that definition the majority of games are RPGs, rendering the term useless. Edit: even most visual novels qualify like that...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/04/17 4:29:18 PM #5:	Muffinz0rz posted... Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. No, it's not, and your definition could apply to any game. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876534542] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> <quote>A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]</quote> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> No, it's not, and your definition could apply to any game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/04/17 4:30:18 PM #6:	Nichtcrawler X posted... Muffinz0rz posted... You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. Under that definition the majority of games are RPGs, rendering the term useless. Edit: even most visual novels qualify like that... It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG. Feel free to find your own definition, although wikipedia is certainly reliable enough (don't listen to the BS your teachers said about it not being reliable - it's fine). --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876534614] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote> You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> Under that definition the majority of games are RPGs, rendering the term useless. Edit: even most visual novels qualify like that...</quote> It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG. Feel free to find your own definition, although wikipedia is certainly reliable enough (don't listen to the BS your teachers said about it not being reliable - it's fine).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolverinerob79 04/04/17 4:30:59 PM #7:	Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. Zelda should be classified as an ARPG as it's a real time combat system with a mission system and RPG elements. An ARPG IS an RPG. Fallout 3 is technically an RPS...which is also under the broader umbrella of RPG. RPG != only Final Fantasy. <cite>wolverinerob79 posted [p:876534665] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> Zelda should be classified as an ARPG as it's a real time combat system with a mission system and RPG elements. An ARPG IS an RPG. Fallout 3 is technically an RPS...which is also under the broader umbrella of RPG. RPG != only Final Fantasy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 04/04/17 4:31:45 PM #8:	Muffinz0rz posted... It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG. Then please enlighten me with the proper term I should be using when I would normally like to use "RPG". --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:876534727] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote> It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG.</quote> Then please enlighten me with the proper term I should be using when I would normally like to use "RPG".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/04/17 4:33:42 PM #9:	Lokarin posted... ~~Tower of Druaga~~ Isn't that one of those "naughty" cartoons, with tentacle monsters and stuff? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876534856] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Tower of Druaga</quote> Isn't that one of those "naughty" cartoons, with tentacle monsters and stuff?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiggy101011 04/04/17 4:34:09 PM #10:	Muffinz0rz posted... Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. What decisions can be made in Zelda? --- Gamertag: F1RE v2 PSN ID: F1REx Currently playing: ME: Andromeda, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Last Guardian <cite>Jiggy101011 posted [p:876534892] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> <quote>A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]</quote> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> What decisions can be made in Zelda?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 04/04/17 4:36:24 PM #11:	Microsoft Word is my favourite jrpg --- http://i.imgur.com/86WNvLI.png <cite>Blighboy posted [p:876535041] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>Microsoft Word is my favourite jrpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bernieflanders 04/04/17 4:37:00 PM #12:	Muffinz0rz posted... Nichtcrawler X posted... Muffinz0rz posted... You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. Under that definition the majority of games are RPGs, rendering the term useless. Edit: even most visual novels qualify like that... It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG. any definition of a term which makes it applicable to everything is a useless definition no matter how technically correct it may be. wikipedia is not an authoritative source of information. <cite>bernieflanders posted [p:876535086] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote> You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> Under that definition the majority of games are RPGs, rendering the term useless. Edit: even most visual novels qualify like that...</quote> It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG.</quote> any definition of a term which makes it applicable to everything is a useless definition no matter how technically correct it may be. wikipedia is not an authoritative source of information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/04/17 5:04:31 PM #13:	Nichtcrawler X posted... Muffinz0rz posted... It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG. Then please enlighten me with the proper term I should be using when I would normally like to use "RPG". Keep using RPG. You're using it correctly. No reason to change. Jiggy101011 posted... Muffinz0rz posted... Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. What decisions can be made in Zelda? You can go up, down, left, right, in the mountains, through the desert, the order of the 4 beasts is your choice...it goes on and on and on. No different from D&D, a.k.a the "original RPG" (or at least the one most commonly associated with the term, RPG). --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876536974] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote> It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG.</quote> Then please enlighten me with the proper term I should be using when I would normally like to use "RPG".</quote> Keep using RPG. You're using it correctly. No reason to change. <cite>Jiggy101011 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> <quote>A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]</quote> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> What decisions can be made in Zelda?</quote> You can go up, down, left, right, in the mountains, through the desert, the order of the 4 beasts is your choice...it goes on and on and on. No different from D&D, a.k.a the "original RPG" (or at least the one most commonly associated with the term, RPG).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/04/17 5:04:34 PM #14:	bernieflanders posted... any definition of a term which makes it applicable to everything is a useless definition no matter how technically correct it may be. Doesn't debunk my point. The definition is still correct, despite being all-encompassingly vague. bernieflanders posted... wikipedia is not an authoritative source of information. I never said it's authoritative. I said it's fine. If you would like to contribute another definition, feel free to submit your own, or bring one from a different source. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876536978] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>bernieflanders posted...</cite> <quote>any definition of a term which makes it applicable to everything is a useless definition no matter how technically correct it may be.</quote> Doesn't debunk my point. The definition is still correct, despite being all-encompassingly vague. <cite>bernieflanders posted...</cite> <quote>wikipedia is not an authoritative source of information.</quote> I never said it's authoritative. I said it's fine. If you would like to contribute another definition, feel free to submit your own, or bring one from a different source.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bernieflanders 04/04/17 5:07:19 PM #15:	Muffinz0rz posted... Doesn't debunk my point. it entirely does. you've stretched the term to complete meaninglessness when the obvious connotation of the term is a certain style of game involving quantifiers for abilities and their increase over time in the game. i'm sure being pedantic gets you your jollies, but it's not helpful to anyone. <cite>bernieflanders posted [p:876537176] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>Doesn't debunk my point. </quote> it entirely does. you've stretched the term to complete meaninglessness when the obvious connotation of the term is a certain style of game involving quantifiers for abilities and their increase over time in the game. i'm sure being pedantic gets you your jollies, but it's not helpful to anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/04/17 5:10:30 PM #16:	bernieflanders posted... it entirely does. you've stretched the term to complete meaninglessness when the obvious connotation of the term is a certain style of game involving quantifiers for abilities and their increase over time in the game. I didn't stretch anything. I regurgitated a definition that I found on one of the most commonly visited information databases on the web. I then took Zelda's attributes and saw that they fit within this definition. And as I mentioned, Muffinz0rz posted... feel free to submit your own, or bring one from a different source. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876537420] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>bernieflanders posted...</cite> <quote>it entirely does. you've stretched the term to complete meaninglessness when the obvious connotation of the term is a certain style of game involving quantifiers for abilities and their increase over time in the game.</quote> I didn't stretch anything. I regurgitated a definition that I found on one of the most commonly visited information databases on the web. I then took Zelda's attributes and saw that they fit within this definition. And as I mentioned, <cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>feel free to submit your own, or bring one from a different source.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiggy101011 04/04/17 5:20:03 PM #17:	Muffinz0rz posted... Nichtcrawler X posted... Muffinz0rz posted... It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG. Then please enlighten me with the proper term I should be using when I would normally like to use "RPG". Keep using RPG. You're using it correctly. No reason to change. Jiggy101011 posted... Muffinz0rz posted... Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making. What decisions can be made in Zelda? You can go up, down, left, right, in the mountains, through the desert, the order of the 4 beasts is your choice...it goes on and on and on. No different from D&D, a.k.a the "original RPG" (or at least the one most commonly associated with the term, RPG). Wait so in your eyes any open world game is an RPG? I guess the GTA series is my favorite RPG then. --- Gamertag: F1RE v2 PSN ID: F1REx Currently playing: ME: Andromeda, Horizon Zero Dawn, The Last Guardian <cite>Jiggy101011 posted [p:876538073] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote> It's the truth. Madden is an RPG. Your visual novels are RPGs (although you might call them RPN - Role-Playing Novels). Mario Kart is an RPG. Everything is an RPG.</quote> Then please enlighten me with the proper term I should be using when I would normally like to use "RPG".</quote> Keep using RPG. You're using it correctly. No reason to change. <cite>Jiggy101011 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> <quote>A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]</quote> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Yes it is. You assume the role of Link and take responsibility for his development and consequences from your decision making.</quote> What decisions can be made in Zelda?</quote> You can go up, down, left, right, in the mountains, through the desert, the order of the 4 beasts is your choice...it goes on and on and on. No different from D&D, a.k.a the "original RPG" (or at least the one most commonly associated with the term, RPG).</quote> Wait so in your eyes any open world game is an RPG? I guess the GTA series is my favorite RPG then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/04/17 5:22:02 PM #18:	Jiggy101011 posted... Wait so in your eyes any open world game is an RPG? I guess the GTA series is my favorite RPG then. Yup. It fits. I like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. It's a good RPG as well, though I prefer the multiplayer. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876538197] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jiggy101011 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait so in your eyes any open world game is an RPG? I guess the GTA series is my favorite RPG then.</quote> Yup. It fits. I like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. It's a good RPG as well, though I prefer the multiplayer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bernieflanders 04/04/17 5:26:46 PM #19:	Muffinz0rz posted... I didn't stretch anything. 100% false like i said, i know being pedantic gets you your jollies, but it isn't actually useful for anything <cite>bernieflanders posted [p:876538494] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't stretch anything.</quote> 100% false like i said, i know being pedantic gets you your jollies, but it isn't actually useful for anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/04/17 5:29:49 PM #20:	Muffinz0rz posted... Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game Very few of those points actually happen in RPG videogames, even the ones that bother with conversation trees and skill points. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876538695] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> <quote>A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]</quote> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game</quote> Very few of those points actually happen in RPG videogames, even the ones that bother with conversation trees and skill points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/04/17 6:02:12 PM #21:	And yet only one Tower of Druaga post --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:876540889] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>And yet only one Tower of Druaga post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler X 04/04/17 6:22:42 PM #22:	Muffinz0rz posted... Keep using RPG. You're using it correctly. No reason to change. That's not what I asked... What is the proper name of the genre that most people think of when they say RPG, according to you? When they want to group together say Final Fantasy, Golden Sun and Dragon Quest, but not want to include Zelda, GTA or Call of Duty, what would you call that genre? --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted [p:876542222] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote> Keep using RPG. You're using it correctly. No reason to change.</quote> That's not what I asked... What is the proper name of the genre that most people think of when they say RPG, according to you? When they want to group together say Final Fantasy, Golden Sun and Dragon Quest, but not want to include Zelda, GTA or Call of Duty, what would you call that genre?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 04/04/17 6:23:42 PM #23:	Zeus posted... Zelda isn't an RPG. Neither is Dark Souls. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/sage_assassin20/13295475117601.gif http://i.imgur.com/WOo6wcq.png <cite>Zareth posted [p:876542289] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG.</quote> Neither is Dark Souls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/04/17 7:10:43 PM #24:	I didn't say Zelda was an RPG in the OP, I just said games. And it is an RPG anyways, if it isn't - then Hydlide, Ys and Tower of Druaga aren't RPGs either --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:876545294] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>I didn't say Zelda was an RPG in the OP, I just said games. And it is an RPG anyways, if it isn't - then Hydlide, Ys and Tower of Druaga aren't RPGs either</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil69Leo 04/04/17 7:12:39 PM #25:	Tetris is my favorite RPG. Pong is 2nd though. <cite>Lil69Leo posted [p:876545396] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>Tetris is my favorite RPG. Pong is 2nd though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Bolt 04/04/17 7:19:36 PM #26:	In a proper role-playing game, you make the decision that your character would make, full stop. Always. If at any point you're making decisions based on what you want to do, you're not playing an RPG. See all those minigames and sidequests you end up doing in Zelda for fun and loot? Dat's not roleplaying, Link would never waste his time like that outside of the time-travel games (and even then). The term has been bastardized a bit by video gamers to include any game where any role is had by anyone, which is obviously stupid. --- One day dude, I'm just gonna get off the bus, and I'm gonna run in the woods and never come back, and when I come back I'm gonna be the knife master! -The Rev <cite>Lightning Bolt posted [p:876545805] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>In a proper role-playing game, you make the decision that your character would make, full stop. Always. If at any point you're making decisions based on what you want to do, you're not playing an RPG. See all those minigames and sidequests you end up doing in Zelda for fun and loot? Dat's not roleplaying, Link would never waste his time like that outside of the time-travel games (and even then). The term has been bastardized a bit by video gamers to include any game where any role is had by anyone, which is obviously stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 04/04/17 7:20:56 PM #27:	Lightning Bolt posted... In a proper role-playing game, you make the decision that your character would make, full stop. Always. If at any point you're making decisions based on what you want to do, you're not playing an RPG So no video games are actually RPGs then. Got it. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/sage_assassin20/13295475117601.gif http://i.imgur.com/WOo6wcq.png <cite>Zareth posted [p:876545880] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lightning Bolt posted...</cite> <quote>In a proper role-playing game, you make the decision that your character would make, full stop. Always. If at any point you're making decisions based on what you want to do, you're not playing an RPG</quote> So no video games are actually RPGs then. Got it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Bolt 04/04/17 7:22:29 PM #28:	Zareth posted... So no video games are actually RPGs then. Got it. Uhhhhh if you say so. --- One day dude, I'm just gonna get off the bus, and I'm gonna run in the woods and never come back, and when I come back I'm gonna be the knife master! -The Rev <cite>Lightning Bolt posted [p:876545972] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zareth posted...</cite> <quote>So no video games are actually RPGs then. Got it.</quote> Uhhhhh if you say so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat 04/04/17 7:26:31 PM #29:	People are too literal when they think of rpg --- Things are about to get arvified <cite>ArvTheGreat posted [p:876546223] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>People are too literal when they think of rpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sxcFARTYPENGUIN 04/04/17 7:28:32 PM #30:	is muffinz a known troll or does he just have special needs? <cite>sxcFARTYPENGUIN posted [p:876546360] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>is muffinz a known troll or does he just have special needs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
123pizza2 04/04/17 7:33:59 PM #31:	This is one of those things where there's a technical definition some people adhere to and a prevalent interpretation that most people agree on. ~~or perhaps the other way around? I'm of the impression most people don't consider LoZ a "true" RPG but who knows?~~ --- GT:Linkman6 <cite>123pizza2 posted [p:876546688] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>This is one of those things where there's a technical definition some people adhere to and a prevalent interpretation that most people agree on. or perhaps the other way around? I'm of the impression most people don't consider LoZ a "true" RPG but who knows?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/04/17 7:36:03 PM #32:	The main definition is if the difficulty of a game is based on player advancement or avatar advancement. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:876546791] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>The main definition is if the difficulty of a game is based on player advancement or avatar advancement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/05/17 10:23:22 AM #33:	bernieflanders posted... Muffinz0rz posted... I didn't stretch anything. 100% false like i said, i know being pedantic gets you your jollies, but it isn't actually useful for anything What did I stretch? What did I possibly stretch? Again, I saw a definition, chose a few random games, found that they all fit said definition. Feel free to provide arguments, whether it's a different definition, games that don't fit said definition, or what have you. Don't attack me personally. Attack my argument. Questionmarktarius posted... Very few of those points actually happen in RPG videogames, even the ones that bother with conversation trees and skill points. So are you saying the definition is wrong? Or are you saying that games commonly associated with the term "RPG" aren't actually doing any of those things in said definition? Nichtcrawler X posted... What is the proper name of the genre that most people think of when they say RPG, according to you? When they want to group together say Final Fantasy, Golden Sun and Dragon Quest, but not want to include Zelda, GTA or Call of Duty, what would you call that genre? Fantasy RPG? Turn-based combat game? Fighting game? Shooting RPG? Adventure game? There is no overarching word to describe all of those games. You'll notice that I only used "RPG" in half of those. But regardless, the term "RPG" does not have to be vocalized in every single genre. Take BotW for example - just because it's most commonly referred to as an adventure game, doesn't mean it's not also an RPG. They aren't mutually exclusive. sxcFARTYPENGUIN posted... is muffinz a known troll or does he just have special needs? Feel free to provide your own input on the topic, rather than throw around baseless insults if you have nothing to contribute. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876583699] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>bernieflanders posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't stretch anything.</quote> 100% false like i said, i know being pedantic gets you your jollies, but it isn't actually useful for anything</quote> What did I stretch? What did I possibly stretch? Again, I saw a definition, chose a few random games, found that they all fit said definition. Feel free to provide arguments, whether it's a different definition, games that don't fit said definition, or what have you. Don't attack me personally. Attack my argument. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Very few of those points actually happen in RPG videogames, even the ones that bother with conversation trees and skill points.</quote> So are you saying the definition is wrong? Or are you saying that games commonly associated with the term "RPG" aren't actually doing any of those things in said definition? <cite>Nichtcrawler X posted...</cite> <quote>What is the proper name of the genre that most people think of when they say RPG, according to you? When they want to group together say Final Fantasy, Golden Sun and Dragon Quest, but not want to include Zelda, GTA or Call of Duty, what would you call that genre?</quote> Fantasy RPG? Turn-based combat game? Fighting game? Shooting RPG? Adventure game? There is no overarching word to describe all of those games. You'll notice that I only used "RPG" in half of those. But regardless, the term "RPG" does not have to be vocalized in every single genre. Take BotW for example - just because it's most commonly referred to as an adventure game, doesn't mean it's not also an RPG. They aren't mutually exclusive. <cite>sxcFARTYPENGUIN posted...</cite> <quote>is muffinz a known troll or does he just have special needs?</quote> Feel free to provide your own input on the topic, rather than throw around baseless insults if you have nothing to contribute.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bernieflanders 04/05/17 10:28:59 AM #34:	Muffinz0rz posted... What did I stretch? What did I possibly stretch? Again, I saw a definition, chose a few random games, and stretched the definition you saw to cover those random games. <cite>bernieflanders posted [p:876584010] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>What did I stretch? What did I possibly stretch? Again, I saw a definition, chose a few random games,</quote> and stretched the definition you saw to cover those random games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/05/17 10:46:31 AM #35:	Muffinz0rz posted... So are you saying the definition is wrong? Or are you saying that games commonly associated with the term "RPG" aren't actually doing any of those things in said definition? The definition seems to be for pencil & paper RPGs. And no, very few "RPG" videogames actually bother with P&P conventions, apart from number porn. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876584922] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>So are you saying the definition is wrong? Or are you saying that games commonly associated with the term "RPG" aren't actually doing any of those things in said definition?</quote> The definition seems to be for pencil & paper RPGs. And no, very few "RPG" videogames actually bother with P&P conventions, apart from number porn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 04/05/17 10:59:50 AM #36:	Lokarin posted... The main definition is if the difficulty of a game is based on player advancement or avatar advancement. Dark Souls is based on both. If it's too hard, you can either practice and advance as a player or level up your avatar. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/sage_assassin20/13295475117601.gif http://i.imgur.com/WOo6wcq.png <cite>Zareth posted [p:876585642] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>The main definition is if the difficulty of a game is based on player advancement or avatar advancement.</quote> Dark Souls is based on both. If it's too hard, you can either practice and advance as a player or level up your avatar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xfma100 04/05/17 11:06:08 AM #37:	Zelda isn't an RPG. (Zelda 2 and BotW are exceptions.) It's an action-adventure game with lite RPG elements. Would you consider Metroid an RPG? <cite>Xfma100 posted [p:876585977] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>Zelda isn't an RPG. (Zelda 2 and BotW are exceptions.) It's an action-adventure game with lite RPG elements. Would you consider Metroid an RPG?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/05/17 11:28:21 AM #38:	bernieflanders posted... Muffinz0rz posted... What did I stretch? What did I possibly stretch? Again, I saw a definition, chose a few random games, and stretched the definition you saw to cover those random games. No, I didn't stretch anything. The definition is the definition. I chose random games that are well known, and they fit the definition. I did not change the definition. I did not edit the definition. Why is it "stretching" when the definition fits? Oh, and for the third time, Muffinz0rz posted... Feel free to provide arguments, whether it's a different definition, games that don't fit said definition, or what have you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Questionmarktarius posted... Muffinz0rz posted... So are you saying the definition is wrong? Or are you saying that games commonly associated with the term "RPG" aren't actually doing any of those things in said definition? The definition seems to be for pencil & paper RPGs. And no, very few "RPG" videogames actually bother with P&P conventions, apart from number porn. Nowhere does the word "number" appear in the definition, neither does "pencil and paper." It simply says game. Xfma100 posted... Would you consider Metroid an RPG? I've never played a Metroid game. I'll let someone else take this one. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876587152] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>bernieflanders posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>What did I stretch? What did I possibly stretch? Again, I saw a definition, chose a few random games,</quote> and stretched the definition you saw to cover those random games.</quote> No, I didn't stretch anything. The definition is the definition. I chose random games that are well known, and they fit the definition. I did not change the definition. I did not edit the definition. Why is it "stretching" when the definition fits? Oh, and for the third time, <cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>Feel free to provide arguments, whether it's a different definition, games that don't fit said definition, or what have you.</quote> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>So are you saying the definition is wrong? Or are you saying that games commonly associated with the term "RPG" aren't actually doing any of those things in said definition?</quote> The definition seems to be for pencil & paper RPGs. And no, very few "RPG" videogames actually bother with P&P conventions, apart from number porn.</quote> Nowhere does the word "number" appear in the definition, neither does "pencil and paper." It simply says game. <cite>Xfma100 posted...</cite> <quote>Would you consider Metroid an RPG?</quote> I've never played a Metroid game. I'll let someone else take this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/05/17 11:31:07 AM #40:	Muffinz0rz posted... Nowhere does the word "number" appear in the definition, neither does "pencil and paper." It simply says game. When Dungeons & Dragons was heavily pilfered to create RPG videogames, the numbers parts were stolen the most. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876587309] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere does the word "number" appear in the definition, neither does "pencil and paper." It simply says game.</quote> When Dungeons & Dragons was heavily pilfered to create RPG videogames, the numbers parts were stolen the most.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/05/17 11:51:29 AM #41:	Questionmarktarius posted... Muffinz0rz posted... Nowhere does the word "number" appear in the definition, neither does "pencil and paper." It simply says game. When Dungeons & Dragons was heavily pilfered to create RPG videogames, the numbers parts were stolen the most. I'm aware of that, it can't really be denied. Except it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876588376] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>Nowhere does the word "number" appear in the definition, neither does "pencil and paper." It simply says game.</quote> When Dungeons & Dragons was heavily pilfered to create RPG videogames, the numbers parts were stolen the most.</quote> I'm aware of that, it can't really be denied. Except it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bernieflanders 04/05/17 12:44:19 PM #42:	Muffinz0rz posted... No, I didn't stretch anything. except you did. sorry bro. :( <cite>bernieflanders posted [p:876591496] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>No, I didn't stretch anything.</quote> except you did. sorry bro. :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
avatarmight 04/05/17 2:40:59 PM #43:	I can't believe people still think Zelda is an RPG. If Zelda isn't an action/adventure, I don't know what would be. It's one of the best possible examples of that genre. Just because it may share some traits with a different genre doesn't mean it is. It's not even the next go-to genre. Action/adventure with puzzle elements would be a better description than action/adventure with RPG elements. The only ones that might have that switched up are Zelda 2 and BotW. Two games don't represent an entire series with something like 18 games in it. --- "I mean, even the buffest gym bro can't work out his eyeballs, right? They're all equally squishy!" - Mia, Xenoblade Chronicles X <cite>avatarmight posted [p:876598911] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote>I can't believe people still think Zelda is an RPG. If Zelda isn't an action/adventure, I don't know what would be. It's one of the best possible examples of that genre. Just because it may share some traits with a different genre doesn't mean it is. It's not even the next go-to genre. Action/adventure with puzzle elements would be a better description than action/adventure with RPG elements. The only ones that might have that switched up are Zelda 2 and BotW. Two games don't represent an entire series with something like 18 games in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/05/17 2:54:43 PM #44:	Muffinz0rz posted... I'm aware of that, it can't really be denied. Except it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's relevant to defining what a "RPG videogame" is. The general defining feature is some sort of experience/level system. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:876599775] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I'm aware of that, it can't really be denied. Except it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.</quote> It's relevant to defining what a "RPG videogame" is. The general defining feature is some sort of experience/level system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/05/17 3:30:43 PM #45:	bernieflanders posted... Muffinz0rz posted... No, I didn't stretch anything. except you did. sorry bro. :( Hmm, never replying with constructive evidence or supporting points. Troll account confirmed. Questionmarktarius posted... Muffinz0rz posted... I'm aware of that, it can't really be denied. Except it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's relevant to defining what a "RPG videogame" is. The general defining feature is some sort of experience/level system. We're not defining "RPG videogame." We're defining "RPG." Every "RPG videogame" is an RPG, but not all RPGs are video games. I understand that leveling/experience growth is a prominent factor. But it's not the only factor. --- Not changing this sig until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) BRAVELY DEFAULT: 1075 - 0844 - 9134 + FS: Pumkaboo, Lampent, Dusclops. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:876602116] in The slowes... [t:75197714]...</cite> <quote><cite>bernieflanders posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>No, I didn't stretch anything.</quote> except you did. sorry bro. :(</quote> Hmm, never replying with constructive evidence or supporting points. Troll account confirmed. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I'm aware of that, it can't really be denied. Except it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.</quote> It's relevant to defining what a "RPG videogame" is. The general defining feature is some sort of experience/level system.</quote> We're not defining "RPG videogame." We're defining "RPG." Every "RPG videogame" is an RPG, but not all RPGs are video games. I understand that leveling/experience growth is a prominent factor. But it's not the only factor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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